MM25’s excuse doesn’t hold water.....

4/26/2018 9:38am
just James wrote:
If there are any marks on the bikes from the contact, the marks would be on the front of one of the bikes, and the side...
If there are any marks on the bikes from the contact, the marks would be on the front of one of the bikes, and the side of the other. That would resolve who hit who.
Correct. What we need is a detailed forensic analysis. We can measure tire marks, calculate the angle and rate of deceleration, and then... Oh yeah, never...
Correct. What we need is a detailed forensic analysis. We can measure tire marks, calculate the angle and rate of deceleration, and then...

Oh yeah, never mind... it was broadcast nationally live in high definition on network television from multiple angles, and is readily viewable online.
just James wrote:
Yeah, I know. That is my point. The front of Eli's bike hit the side of Marvin's. Were I the arbiter of these issues, that is...
Yeah, I know. That is my point. The front of Eli's bike hit the side of Marvin's.
Were I the arbiter of these issues, that is the primary way that I would determine "fault".
"Fault" doesn't matter.
4/26/2018 9:50am
NW 253 wrote:
I as much as allot of people did't like the pass. The horse has already produced all the glue, let it go. I am more interested...
I as much as allot of people did't like the pass. The horse has already produced all the glue, let it go. I am more interested in watching all the Eli haters if you will, Kiss his soft cry babey little tampax ass when he wins the Denations race for us. Maybe next race there will be a board in the pits that says. Remember Vital is Watching.
Has Eli confirmed he will race the Desnations, if asked??
jevyguy wrote:
I believe he mentioned that he would love to
Excellent, I just hope Roczen is fighting fit by then, there would definitely be some bragging rights for the top individual ( even though it's a team race), if the all stay healthy , fingers crossed.
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4/26/2018 9:55am
I am cool with the pass, gota make it happen sometimes. But all the bullshit from Marv, plus’s the bullshit after he moved over for Dunge is starting to make him look like a douche.
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4/26/2018 10:10am
Hcallz5 wrote:
Well if you've ever gone around a corner you'd know the fastest was around it is an apex which is what that inside rut is. If...
Well if you've ever gone around a corner you'd know the fastest was around it is an apex which is what that inside rut is. If Marvins route was the quickest you'd have seen guys taking it all night, but the other guys didn't have someone to bounce off of unfortunately. Grinning
Marv's line was only quickest when there was a Kawasaki in the rut to stop his momentum.

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4/26/2018 10:13am


Good times
4/26/2018 10:32am
Reminds me of a Glen Frey song "I'm sorry it went down like this and someone had to lose It's the nature of the business its the Supercross blues "
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4/26/2018 10:37am
We wouldn't be nearly this far along if it wasn't for that press conference. Imagine if Tomac had not responded to Marvin bringing up Vegas? Instead, Tomac took the bait. That lovechild of Eli (recalling) and Marvin (acting) from New York arrived at Foxborough!

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4/26/2018 11:29am
in case anyone thinks tomac is a saint

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4/26/2018 11:32am
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4/26/2018 12:08pm
He had is eyes closed.....obviously
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Too bad Kanye isn't commenting on this Laughing
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4/26/2018 12:27pm
It was a weak pass having been on the receiving end of being t boned like that. Nobody can pass clean anymore they have to take out your front wheel. I've seen many fist fights happen at the races over that riding dirty type of bs.

You guys defending it as an agressive pass don't come whining when it happens to you especially when it causes injury or broken bike bits. Problem is it's gone on for so long with no kind of penalty people think it's the norm. In motogp that type of riding would get you docked positions for being overly aggressive like this pass was.

I also don't see it as a pass it was an intentional take out move. But just play dumb the fim/ama have no balls to inforce it.
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Has Eli confirmed he will race the Desnations, if asked??
jevyguy wrote:
I believe he mentioned that he would love to
Excellent, I just hope Roczen is fighting fit by then, there would definitely be some bragging rights for the top individual ( even though it's a...
Excellent, I just hope Roczen is fighting fit by then, there would definitely be some bragging rights for the top individual ( even though it's a team race), if the all stay healthy , fingers crossed.
None of them will have anything for Herlings this year even at red budd!! That guy has speed for days and cannot stand to lose period!!
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4/26/2018 5:28pm
kiwifan wrote:
hang on, if you want to protect the inside why would you only target the innermost rut....regardless of whether the inside line is a rut or...
hang on, if you want to protect the inside why would you only target the innermost rut....regardless of whether the inside line is a rut or flat ground....he left a gap....any racer on the last lap is going to take advantage of that
Hcallz5 wrote:
Well if you've ever gone around a corner you'd know the fastest was around it is an apex which is what that inside rut is. If...
Well if you've ever gone around a corner you'd know the fastest was around it is an apex which is what that inside rut is. If Marvins route was the quickest you'd have seen guys taking it all night, but the other guys didn't have someone to bounce off of unfortunately. Grinning
ok you missed my point, well done
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4/26/2018 6:44pm
aeffertz wrote:
Whatever happened to protect the inside?

Tomac went wide, Marvin made an aggressive move. Racing 101.
Agree.

ET is so freaky fast he has probably fallen out of the habit of protecting the inside. He usually immediately starts gapping the riders behind him, and probably would have pulled away from MM if it was a mid race pass. But MM cranked it up when a tiny opening presented itself, and it work out for him. Aggressive absolutely yes. Wrong, no.
This is my guess.
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4/26/2018 6:54pm
Haha the Eli haters are blind! Eli has never taken anyone out that didn’t provoke it. Eli didn’t provoke that cat gear wearing French clown! If getting your ass handed to you every week is provoking then Eli is guilty ?‍♂️
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4/26/2018 7:01pm
If I were Marv,,, the next time I parked someone, I'd answer all the questions speaking French.
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4/26/2018 7:08pm
Racer111 wrote:
He said that Eli took a line that no one had taken all night. If that’s the case, how did this big ass rut get there...
He said that Eli took a line that no one had taken all night. If that’s the case, how did this big ass rut get there?
Pretty sure a lot of you snowflakes have to just let this one go......Pinch
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4/26/2018 7:38pm
Why is this still going on?
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4/26/2018 8:11pm
I know everyone wanted Marv to admit he moved over for Dungey and then admit that he tried to “take out” Tomac for the win but wouldn’t admitting those things get you an obvious penalty of some kind? I feel like it’s pretty obvious what was going on but the excuses are more for the officials than trying to “put one over on the fans.” I’m not sure “owning” a take out is better than blaming a racing incident in the officials’ eyes.
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4/26/2018 8:13pm
burn1986 wrote:
Why is this still going on?
Because people dont want to let it go and move on?
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4/26/2018 8:34pm
Here's the thing people are missing; it's about honor, mutual respect, and not being a punk bitch. Tomac could've done the same thing to Marvin several times during that race, but he took his time and set up a clean pass. Marvin is a coward.
4/26/2018 9:15pm
gnarwhip wrote:
Here's the thing people are missing; it's about honor, mutual respect, and not being a punk bitch. Tomac could've done the same thing to Marvin several...
Here's the thing people are missing; it's about honor, mutual respect, and not being a punk bitch. Tomac could've done the same thing to Marvin several times during that race, but he took his time and set up a clean pass. Marvin is a coward.
Then by your definition Tomac is also a coward because he has done the same thing several times to other riders. Marvin made Tomac his punk bitch and I hope he does it again because that will really screw with Tomac's already fragile mind. Shocked
4/26/2018 9:35pm
This is quoted from MXA and could not have said it any better. Cool

"Musquin and Tomac: What Marvin Musquin did to Eli Tomac in Foxborough is exactly what Eli would have done to him if the situation was reversed. That’s a fact…plain and simple. No amount of whining about it by Eli is going to change the outcome. Supercross tracks are designed with big banked corners to make collisions more common place. The big banking is virtually unnecessary for turning the corner (a three-foot-high berm would achieve the same thing—it’s there to create collision situations). Eli wants Marvin punished by the AMA, which means he wants himself punished for when he plowed Cooper Webb a couple races ago.

Perhaps, in retrospect, Eli shouldn’t have cruised down the starting straight on the last lap like he was a parade float. If he hadn’t tooled along, Musquin wouldn’t have been able to come from out of nowhere to catch him in the next corner. What happened in that corner was what always happens on the last lap of a race with $100,000 up for grabs. And for all who say that Marvin T-boned Eli, it was not a T-bone. Marvin’s front wheel was in front of Eli’s, which is four-feet away from forming a “T” with his front wheel and Eli’s engine cases (and Marvin didn’t rip Eli’s grip off either—that was courtesy of Justin Barcia, who came along while Eli was casually picking his bike up and clipped it).

Face it, no spectators want to pay the ridiculous Supercross ticket prices to see a parade—they got their money’s worth in Foxborough. Marvin has always been too nice in the corners and Eli has a long way to go to live down his actions at Las Vegas last year against Ryan Dungey—where he did try to T-bone Dungey on the last lap (but Dungey was too smart for that). Marvin and Eli don’t have to be friends. They are competitors—and both know that you protect the inside on the last lap. If you don’t, guess what happens?"
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4/26/2018 11:34pm
Are we still talking about this? FM.
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4/26/2018 11:39pm
gnarwhip wrote:
Here's the thing people are missing; it's about honor, mutual respect, and not being a punk bitch. Tomac could've done the same thing to Marvin several...
Here's the thing people are missing; it's about honor, mutual respect, and not being a punk bitch. Tomac could've done the same thing to Marvin several times during that race, but he took his time and set up a clean pass. Marvin is a coward.
lostboy819 wrote:
Then by your definition Tomac is also a coward because he has done the same thing several times to other riders. Marvin made Tomac his punk...
Then by your definition Tomac is also a coward because he has done the same thing several times to other riders. Marvin made Tomac his punk bitch and I hope he does it again because that will really screw with Tomac's already fragile mind. Shocked
Only time I have ever seen Tomac park someone was after being provoked. I have seen Marvin drop a few people in the past few years unprovoked. I'm not trying to defend the guy, but c'mon...
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4/27/2018 5:53am
aeffertz wrote:
Whatever happened to protect the inside?

Tomac went wide, Marvin made an aggressive move. Racing 101.
Went wide? That was the farthest inside he could go without going on flat ground... I think it was great racing and really don’t care what...
Went wide? That was the farthest inside he could go without going on flat ground... I think it was great racing and really don’t care what happened. Just looking forward to see what happens next!
aeffertz wrote:
Then he should've taken the flat line, the line Marvin took, no? Yes that's the lowest rut but he's still in the middle of the track...
Then he should've taken the flat line, the line Marvin took, no? Yes that's the lowest rut but he's still in the middle of the track.

I like both the guys and don't have a vandetta against anyone out there. Im just all for good racing. Tomac could've prevented it by guarding his inside or Marvin could've coward and not try to get the lead back after getting passed.
If he takes the flat line he would be have broken ribs and a lacerated spleen and maybe femur...Marvin wasn’t stopping that orange rocket anytime sooner than he did
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4/27/2018 8:27am
lostboy819 wrote:
This is quoted from MXA and could not have said it any better. B) "Musquin and Tomac: What Marvin Musquin did to Eli Tomac in Foxborough...
This is quoted from MXA and could not have said it any better. Cool

"Musquin and Tomac: What Marvin Musquin did to Eli Tomac in Foxborough is exactly what Eli would have done to him if the situation was reversed. That’s a fact…plain and simple. No amount of whining about it by Eli is going to change the outcome. Supercross tracks are designed with big banked corners to make collisions more common place. The big banking is virtually unnecessary for turning the corner (a three-foot-high berm would achieve the same thing—it’s there to create collision situations). Eli wants Marvin punished by the AMA, which means he wants himself punished for when he plowed Cooper Webb a couple races ago.

Perhaps, in retrospect, Eli shouldn’t have cruised down the starting straight on the last lap like he was a parade float. If he hadn’t tooled along, Musquin wouldn’t have been able to come from out of nowhere to catch him in the next corner. What happened in that corner was what always happens on the last lap of a race with $100,000 up for grabs. And for all who say that Marvin T-boned Eli, it was not a T-bone. Marvin’s front wheel was in front of Eli’s, which is four-feet away from forming a “T” with his front wheel and Eli’s engine cases (and Marvin didn’t rip Eli’s grip off either—that was courtesy of Justin Barcia, who came along while Eli was casually picking his bike up and clipped it).

Face it, no spectators want to pay the ridiculous Supercross ticket prices to see a parade—they got their money’s worth in Foxborough. Marvin has always been too nice in the corners and Eli has a long way to go to live down his actions at Las Vegas last year against Ryan Dungey—where he did try to T-bone Dungey on the last lap (but Dungey was too smart for that). Marvin and Eli don’t have to be friends. They are competitors—and both know that you protect the inside on the last lap. If you don’t, guess what happens?"
The end.
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4/27/2018 9:17am
One thing for certain is that ET gets up and back on the scooter faster when he gets taken out than he does when he flops over in a easy turn.

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