Pro Circuit Ti-6 Sytem for CRF 250 '18....HEAVY !!

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luckynino 3/1/2018 10:04pm
3/1/2018 10:04pm Edited Date/Time 3/1/2018 11:16pm
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Good info! And they cost almost nothing. I get them for 7€ here. I might have to give it a try! Edit: Do you run the...
Good info! And they cost almost nothing. I get them for 7€ here.
I might have to give it a try!

Edit: Do you run the same pressure?
yes-same pressure with the Fatbike tubes!

What is this debate all about here? Guys with a 2018 Honda CRF 250 might want some more power (as they are down compared to the other manufacturers) and they need to loose weight (as they are way up compared with the competition). So i posted info on how to loose weight on the stock exhaust which costs you nothing....and i posted that you can spend 1300$ (i won't tell you how much that really was shipped to Europe and adding Tax&customs over here...)....only to loose 0,1 lbs over the stocker we already had.

With the Honda you are down on power and you ride around with 5 kilos extra. For a racer this is just a burden.


Yet there's indeed guys arguing that a heavier bike isn't any worse? That it doesn't matter anyway? That you have to accept it (when the KTM/Husky don't come with this weight)....well - that might be ok for the weekend warrior, the trail rider etc...but if you are a racer it's hard to accept and my post was to shed some light and info on a item many might have thought would be a remedy for both issues: power & weight.

Well - with the PC i'd say at least the weight loss isn't achieved.
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motoarmageddon 3/1/2018 10:09pm
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This guys problem is he bought the wrong system. He has the Ti 6 PRO, he should have bought the non-pro. It has shorter mufflers and less weight
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The fmf full ti system for the ktm450 is actually 3lbs lighter than stock, it's all in the header.

But what is really crazy is that ktm450 is lighter than the crf250 to begin with.
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luckynino 3/1/2018 11:12pm
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motoarmageddon wrote:
This guys problem is he bought the wrong system. He has the Ti 6 PRO, he should have bought the non-pro. It has shorter mufflers and...
This guys problem is he bought the wrong system. He has the Ti 6 PRO, he should have bought the non-pro. It has shorter mufflers and less weight
There is just one system available for the '18 model
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fpandjic 3/3/2018 3:23am
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I'll give it a try with Maxxis Fatbike inner tube. I can use Maxxis Fat Bike inner tube 26x3.8/8.0 for both front and rear?
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luckynino 3/3/2018 6:18am
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fpandjic wrote:
I'll give it a try with Maxxis Fatbike inner tube. I can use Maxxis Fat Bike inner tube 26x3.8/8.0 for both front and rear?
Yes - same size front & rear

I use talkum powder (Babypowder) when installing tubes as this helps a lot to avoid pinching the tube. It allows the rubber tube to move inside the tire instead of sticking to the sidewalls. We all know that tubes can just stick to the inside of a tire...this is prevented when using babypowder.



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GPrider wrote:
your not going to go any faster if its even four pounds lighter. Get an exhaust to help the bottom end, forget about the weight! Quit...
your not going to go any faster if its even four pounds lighter. Get an exhaust to help the bottom end, forget about the weight! Quit listening to MXA. If the KTM/Husky did not exist, the weight argument would have never happened, Its in everybody's head. Fricken RMZ450 2018 is a perfect example. The new honda handles like a dream. Just fill in the weak spot in the powerband and go kill it!
This guy gets it.


Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much money to save just a few lbs when it’s not going to gain hp or make them a bit faster. Want a light bike, go get a KTM.
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Finally a good thread. Thanks for bringing this stuff up OP. I wonder how much lighter a 18 125sx is compared to ab18 250sxf, 10lbs?
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GPrider wrote:
your not going to go any faster if its even four pounds lighter. Get an exhaust to help the bottom end, forget about the weight! Quit...
your not going to go any faster if its even four pounds lighter. Get an exhaust to help the bottom end, forget about the weight! Quit listening to MXA. If the KTM/Husky did not exist, the weight argument would have never happened, Its in everybody's head. Fricken RMZ450 2018 is a perfect example. The new honda handles like a dream. Just fill in the weak spot in the powerband and go kill it!
Mx286 wrote:
This guy gets it. Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much...
This guy gets it.


Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much money to save just a few lbs when it’s not going to gain hp or make them a bit faster. Want a light bike, go get a KTM.
You still didn't get the point:
HP is felt in acceleration only.

Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster while tiring out less! But as long as you haven't ridden a light bike it's useless to argue with you.

The idea behind this Titanium exhaust was to improve HP AND drop some weight at the same time.
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Dirty Points 3/3/2018 10:16am
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ob wrote:
Finally a good thread. Thanks for bringing this stuff up OP. I wonder how much lighter a 18 125sx is compared to ab18 250sxf, 10lbs?
According to KTM, the difference is about 25 lbs.
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ob wrote:
Finally a good thread. Thanks for bringing this stuff up OP. I wonder how much lighter a 18 125sx is compared to ab18 250sxf, 10lbs?
Dirty Points wrote:
According to KTM, the difference is about 25 lbs.
Thanks, lots more than I thought.
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GPrider wrote:
your not going to go any faster if its even four pounds lighter. Get an exhaust to help the bottom end, forget about the weight! Quit...
your not going to go any faster if its even four pounds lighter. Get an exhaust to help the bottom end, forget about the weight! Quit listening to MXA. If the KTM/Husky did not exist, the weight argument would have never happened, Its in everybody's head. Fricken RMZ450 2018 is a perfect example. The new honda handles like a dream. Just fill in the weak spot in the powerband and go kill it!
Mx286 wrote:
This guy gets it. Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much...
This guy gets it.


Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much money to save just a few lbs when it’s not going to gain hp or make them a bit faster. Want a light bike, go get a KTM.
luckynino wrote:
You still didn't get the point: HP is felt in acceleration only. Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster...
You still didn't get the point:
HP is felt in acceleration only.

Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster while tiring out less! But as long as you haven't ridden a light bike it's useless to argue with you.

The idea behind this Titanium exhaust was to improve HP AND drop some weight at the same time.
Have you even ridden a 18 CFR250R? if you did then you WOULD know that there is no way you feel the extra weight on the track, some test riders have even commented that it feels lighter on the track than a KTM/Husky....so how does that translate into making them more tired??

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yz133rider 3/3/2018 12:16pm
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Mx286 wrote:
This guy gets it. Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much...
This guy gets it.


Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much money to save just a few lbs when it’s not going to gain hp or make them a bit faster. Want a light bike, go get a KTM.
luckynino wrote:
You still didn't get the point: HP is felt in acceleration only. Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster...
You still didn't get the point:
HP is felt in acceleration only.

Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster while tiring out less! But as long as you haven't ridden a light bike it's useless to argue with you.

The idea behind this Titanium exhaust was to improve HP AND drop some weight at the same time.
kiwifan wrote:
Have you even ridden a 18 CFR250R? if you did then you WOULD know that there is no way you feel the extra weight on the...
Have you even ridden a 18 CFR250R? if you did then you WOULD know that there is no way you feel the extra weight on the track, some test riders have even commented that it feels lighter on the track than a KTM/Husky....so how does that translate into making them more tired??

Stop already. You dont care for lighter we get it. Arguing it doesnt make a difference is insane though.
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kiwifan 3/3/2018 4:17pm
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luckynino wrote:
You still didn't get the point: HP is felt in acceleration only. Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster...
You still didn't get the point:
HP is felt in acceleration only.

Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster while tiring out less! But as long as you haven't ridden a light bike it's useless to argue with you.

The idea behind this Titanium exhaust was to improve HP AND drop some weight at the same time.
kiwifan wrote:
Have you even ridden a 18 CFR250R? if you did then you WOULD know that there is no way you feel the extra weight on the...
Have you even ridden a 18 CFR250R? if you did then you WOULD know that there is no way you feel the extra weight on the track, some test riders have even commented that it feels lighter on the track than a KTM/Husky....so how does that translate into making them more tired??

yz133rider wrote:
Stop already. You dont care for lighter we get it. Arguing it doesnt make a difference is insane though.
and you dont care for the fact that they DO feel lighter when riding them, we get it....
Motocross Kid 3/3/2018 4:21pm
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Bro... do like the pros do and just drill a bunch of holes in the exhaust. You can really shave a lot of weight that way. Swiss cheese that sucker!
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Idp57 3/3/2018 4:35pm
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Some guys here slept trough the physics classes!!!!Specially kiwifan ,no offence Smile
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Idp57 wrote:
Some guys here slept trough the physics classes!!!!Specially kiwifan ,no offence Smile
Wait wait wait... You mean because it doesn't "feel" heavier, it doesn't mean your muscles can feel it after a long moto?

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kiwifan 3/3/2018 4:44pm
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Idp57 wrote:
Some guys here slept trough the physics classes!!!!Specially kiwifan ,no offence Smile
Lmao....
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Idp57 wrote:
Some guys here slept trough the physics classes!!!!Specially kiwifan ,no offence Smile
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Wait wait wait... You mean because it doesn't "feel" heavier, it doesn't mean your muscles can feel it after a long moto?
Jesus, you guys are unbelievable lol
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kiwifan wrote:
and you dont care for the fact that they DO feel lighter when riding them, we get it....
Why do you insist on calling yourself "we"?
Are you representing someone, or just have a dual personality?.. lol
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kiwifan wrote:
and you dont care for the fact that they DO feel lighter when riding them, we get it....
tempura wrote:
Why do you insist on calling yourself "we"?
Are you representing someone, or just have a dual personality?.. lol
We were thinking the same thing
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kiwifan wrote:
and you dont care for the fact that they DO feel lighter when riding them, we get it....
tempura wrote:
Why do you insist on calling yourself "we"?
Are you representing someone, or just have a dual personality?.. lol
so yz133rider said "we get it" and its ok but you tell me I shouldnt? fuck off!!!!
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GPrider wrote:
your not going to go any faster if its even four pounds lighter. Get an exhaust to help the bottom end, forget about the weight! Quit...
your not going to go any faster if its even four pounds lighter. Get an exhaust to help the bottom end, forget about the weight! Quit listening to MXA. If the KTM/Husky did not exist, the weight argument would have never happened, Its in everybody's head. Fricken RMZ450 2018 is a perfect example. The new honda handles like a dream. Just fill in the weak spot in the powerband and go kill it!
Mx286 wrote:
This guy gets it. Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much...
This guy gets it.


Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much money to save just a few lbs when it’s not going to gain hp or make them a bit faster. Want a light bike, go get a KTM.
luckynino wrote:
You still didn't get the point: HP is felt in acceleration only. Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster...
You still didn't get the point:
HP is felt in acceleration only.

Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster while tiring out less! But as long as you haven't ridden a light bike it's useless to argue with you.

The idea behind this Titanium exhaust was to improve HP AND drop some weight at the same time.
So if you save 1 lb on a pipe your going to be able to tell a huge difference and it’s going to magically not make you as tired?

I’ve ridden plenty of light bikes.
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Mx286 wrote:
This guy gets it. Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much...
This guy gets it.


Unless your building a full blown race bike for a serious racer, what’s the point? Never understood why people spend so much money to save just a few lbs when it’s not going to gain hp or make them a bit faster. Want a light bike, go get a KTM.
luckynino wrote:
You still didn't get the point: HP is felt in acceleration only. Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster...
You still didn't get the point:
HP is felt in acceleration only.

Weight on the other hand is felt 4 times, and makes you actually faster while tiring out less! But as long as you haven't ridden a light bike it's useless to argue with you.

The idea behind this Titanium exhaust was to improve HP AND drop some weight at the same time.
Mx286 wrote:
So if you save 1 lb on a pipe your going to be able to tell a huge difference and it’s going to magically not make...
So if you save 1 lb on a pipe your going to be able to tell a huge difference and it’s going to magically not make you as tired?

I’ve ridden plenty of light bikes.
Not but lbs add up. Take away 25lbs im sure youll feel that. Same as hp. Tell me the exhaust people pay $900 for and adds .25hp does that make any difference?

Insane in here sometimes.
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tempura 3/4/2018 12:21am
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kiwifan wrote:
so yz133rider said "we get it" and its ok but you tell me I shouldnt? fuck off!!!!
Are You mad bro?? We aren't..
Well, you've quoted two people on this page (including myself) referring to yourself as "we".
I was curious if you were representing someone...like your dealer...
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GPrider wrote:
your not going to go any faster if its even four pounds lighter. Get an exhaust to help the bottom end, forget about the weight! Quit...
your not going to go any faster if its even four pounds lighter. Get an exhaust to help the bottom end, forget about the weight! Quit listening to MXA. If the KTM/Husky did not exist, the weight argument would have never happened, Its in everybody's head. Fricken RMZ450 2018 is a perfect example. The new honda handles like a dream. Just fill in the weak spot in the powerband and go kill it!
Oddly enough they do exist and weight matters. But you can ride a boat achor with wheels and tell me how it didnt matter, please?
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JMX82 3/4/2018 1:40am
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If weight doesn't matter why do factory teams invest thousands of dollars on titanium and carbon fiber parts to make bikes lighter? Some guys here definitely need to take some basic physics lessons...
Underground 3/4/2018 2:32am
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kiwifan wrote:
so yz133rider said "we get it" and its ok but you tell me I shouldnt? fuck off!!!!
tempura wrote:
Are You mad bro?? We aren't.. Well, you've quoted two people on this page (including myself) referring to yourself as "we". I was curious if you...
Are You mad bro?? We aren't..
Well, you've quoted two people on this page (including myself) referring to yourself as "we".
I was curious if you were representing someone...like your dealer...
We are rating that one Tongue
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JMX82 wrote:
If weight doesn't matter why do factory teams invest thousands of dollars on titanium and carbon fiber parts to make bikes lighter? Some guys here definitely...
If weight doesn't matter why do factory teams invest thousands of dollars on titanium and carbon fiber parts to make bikes lighter? Some guys here definitely need to take some basic physics lessons...
The Factory Teams spend all that money on Carbonfiber and Titanium because my daughter has dance lessons 4-5 days a week and her mom likes nice things...or is there some other reason?

Btw, is it just me or did someone suggest risking FLAT TIRES WHILE RACING in the quest for less weight?

I totally “get” and support the idea of a lighter-better race bike; but, creating a thread just to bemoan a RACE TUNING ITEM that can actually meet AMA/FIM SOUND RULES...well, whinnng about it because it weighs more...
And has more muffler componentry to MEET SOUNDS REQUIREMENTS...
Well, maybe it’s just me...but...dude? (The OP, not the guy I’m quoting and TOTALLY AGREE WITH!...I’m jus’ tagging on)
You get The Internet Fail Award for the Week Ending March 4th, 2018.

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