Racer X: Cade Clason Addresses Positive Test

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11/3/2017 10:50am
mxb2 wrote:
X2, kinda like, hey let's change the speed limits because I don't like the rules. A better idea read the rulebook. No system is perfect
aeffertz wrote:
Except that's not even close. It's a medication he's prescribed to live a normal life and filed the correct paper work. Not something he wants to...
Except that's not even close. It's a medication he's prescribed to live a normal life and filed the correct paper work. Not something he wants to take for fun. The whole process and communication is absolutely trash.
kkawboy14 wrote:
We aren’t disagreeing with you, we all think it’s a joke and a waste of money BUT as a PRO who has a minimal education who...
We aren’t disagreeing with you, we all think it’s a joke and a waste of money BUT as a PRO who has a minimal education who functioned for years without the drug.......get the TUE in hand BEFORE taking it OR if you can’t live without the particular drug, quit racing until you have the TUE in hand!
Come on man. Choose between not taking a drug that is needed to be a functional person or quit your profession and source of income? The guy tried doing the right thing. He may be a pro but he also doesn't exactly have a team of lawyers, agents, and managers around him.

Also, it's easy to say he functioned for years without it but you have no clue how he functioned. There was a reason he decided to go back to the doctor.

I really don't see what his education level has to do with anything, aside from making the choice to quit racing even more ridiculous.
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11/3/2017 10:55am
let Cade race #FREECADE
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11/3/2017 11:08am
Some really well thought out posts in here.... Pinch Pinch Pinch
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11/3/2017 11:08am
It is interesting that he was the only privateer tested at that round. I wonder how many privateers are tested during the season? It is a little fishy to me that he submitted paperwork twice and then he gets tested? It would really be strange if he was the only privateer tested all year.... #FREECADE

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11/3/2017 11:12am
So what does a TUE even look like? Is it a piece of paper, a card, an email?
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11/3/2017 11:16am
tprice07 wrote:
Fairest thing is to let them all take whatever they want...if there are health issues with it then I guess that's the price they were willing...
Fairest thing is to let them all take whatever they want...if there are health issues with it then I guess that's the price they were willing to pay. Anything beyond that will reward the richest who can afford to stay ahead of the testing and pass.

Why is the testing necessary? For the safety of the athlete? If that's the case I guess maybe they shouldn't be ramping motorcycles 20ft.....
Agreed. If the testing is for the safety of the athlete it's BS, if it is to keep an even playing field then just let everyone take what they want and see how awesome the sport can get. Imagine watching the NBA or NFL with no one taking HGH, steroids, etc. Boring.
11/3/2017 11:18am
The whole thing is BS. I don't understand why Adderall/Vyvance is even listed as a banned substance. Like the article stated, it's not like an Olympic weightlifter taking a cycle of Test to gain an athletic advantage.
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11/3/2017 11:27am Edited Date/Time 11/3/2017 11:28am
Cade is getting hosed by WADA, the FIM and the AMA. Total breakdown by the people in charge and it makes the sport look pathetic. Worst part is that WADA can't seem to stop teams that were caught cheating [russia] from competing in the Olympics, so they get all aggressive on a privateer motocrosser.. beat up on the little guy so they can save some face..
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11/3/2017 11:29am
aeffertz wrote:
Except that's not even close. It's a medication he's prescribed to live a normal life and filed the correct paper work. Not something he wants to...
Except that's not even close. It's a medication he's prescribed to live a normal life and filed the correct paper work. Not something he wants to take for fun. The whole process and communication is absolutely trash.
kkawboy14 wrote:
We aren’t disagreeing with you, we all think it’s a joke and a waste of money BUT as a PRO who has a minimal education who...
We aren’t disagreeing with you, we all think it’s a joke and a waste of money BUT as a PRO who has a minimal education who functioned for years without the drug.......get the TUE in hand BEFORE taking it OR if you can’t live without the particular drug, quit racing until you have the TUE in hand!
Come on man. Choose between not taking a drug that is needed to be a functional person or quit your profession and source of income? The...
Come on man. Choose between not taking a drug that is needed to be a functional person or quit your profession and source of income? The guy tried doing the right thing. He may be a pro but he also doesn't exactly have a team of lawyers, agents, and managers around him.

Also, it's easy to say he functioned for years without it but you have no clue how he functioned. There was a reason he decided to go back to the doctor.

I really don't see what his education level has to do with anything, aside from making the choice to quit racing even more ridiculous.
He had taken the medication since he was a child. I think the only reason he went back to the doctor was because the doctor has to sign the proper paperwork. Kkawboy is a troll, which is why I don't respond to him. He can't honestly be as dumb as his posts make him out to be. If no one responds to him he may go away. It's worth a shot.
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11/3/2017 11:40am
kkawboy14 wrote:
We aren’t disagreeing with you, we all think it’s a joke and a waste of money BUT as a PRO who has a minimal education who...
We aren’t disagreeing with you, we all think it’s a joke and a waste of money BUT as a PRO who has a minimal education who functioned for years without the drug.......get the TUE in hand BEFORE taking it OR if you can’t live without the particular drug, quit racing until you have the TUE in hand!
Come on man. Choose between not taking a drug that is needed to be a functional person or quit your profession and source of income? The...
Come on man. Choose between not taking a drug that is needed to be a functional person or quit your profession and source of income? The guy tried doing the right thing. He may be a pro but he also doesn't exactly have a team of lawyers, agents, and managers around him.

Also, it's easy to say he functioned for years without it but you have no clue how he functioned. There was a reason he decided to go back to the doctor.

I really don't see what his education level has to do with anything, aside from making the choice to quit racing even more ridiculous.
agn5009 wrote:
He had taken the medication since he was a child. I think the only reason he went back to the doctor was because the doctor has...
He had taken the medication since he was a child. I think the only reason he went back to the doctor was because the doctor has to sign the proper paperwork. Kkawboy is a troll, which is why I don't respond to him. He can't honestly be as dumb as his posts make him out to be. If no one responds to him he may go away. It's worth a shot.
I doubt it, I’ve been here since the first day this bar opened!
Its his fault, get over it! Quit being an emotional little girl. If he was truly taking it from a young age, raced without a TUE in hand, he’s dumber than I thought he was.

I don’t agree with having testing, I think it’s a waste of time and money, it’s paid for on the backs of the riders BUT it is a reality, riders have to run their businesses properly until Trump does away with that rule also......they have to live with it.
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11/3/2017 12:00pm
When Don gets paid------then I'll give a shit about Cade Clason.
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11/3/2017 12:01pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
I doubt it, I’ve been here since the first day this bar opened! Its his fault, get over it! Quit being an emotional little girl. If...
I doubt it, I’ve been here since the first day this bar opened!
Its his fault, get over it! Quit being an emotional little girl. If he was truly taking it from a young age, raced without a TUE in hand, he’s dumber than I thought he was.

I don’t agree with having testing, I think it’s a waste of time and money, it’s paid for on the backs of the riders BUT it is a reality, riders have to run their businesses properly until Trump does away with that rule also......they have to live with it.
Your responses are a little over the top.

WADA isn't rational with their system.

Do you get a jail sentence for driving on an expired registration? That's the equivalent of what has happened here. The punishment is so far over the top for a paperwork issue only.

WADA's role should be drug testing and publishing results. That's it. It gives transparency to the sport. Let the governing body (AMA/FIM) determine what the penalty should be.

There was a documentary that got input from several different stake holders in the WADA/USADA, NFL, MLB, NHL, and some of the sports that use WADA. I believe it was the NFL was actually interested in WADA/USADA until they refused to bend and allow the NFL to control the penalty. What difference does it make to WADA if the NFL upholds their penalty or not?
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11/3/2017 12:06pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
I doubt it, I’ve been here since the first day this bar opened! Its his fault, get over it! Quit being an emotional little girl. If...
I doubt it, I’ve been here since the first day this bar opened!
Its his fault, get over it! Quit being an emotional little girl. If he was truly taking it from a young age, raced without a TUE in hand, he’s dumber than I thought he was.

I don’t agree with having testing, I think it’s a waste of time and money, it’s paid for on the backs of the riders BUT it is a reality, riders have to run their businesses properly until Trump does away with that rule also......they have to live with it.
You obviously have an ax to grind with Cade or just don't like him.
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11/3/2017 12:22pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
I doubt it, I’ve been here since the first day this bar opened! Its his fault, get over it! Quit being an emotional little girl. If...
I doubt it, I’ve been here since the first day this bar opened!
Its his fault, get over it! Quit being an emotional little girl. If he was truly taking it from a young age, raced without a TUE in hand, he’s dumber than I thought he was.

I don’t agree with having testing, I think it’s a waste of time and money, it’s paid for on the backs of the riders BUT it is a reality, riders have to run their businesses properly until Trump does away with that rule also......they have to live with it.
RonJon wrote:
You obviously have an ax to grind with Cade or just don't like him.
Woah I don’t even know the kid, couldn’t tell you what he looks like!

I read his response that’s all I know about him.
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11/3/2017 12:28pm Edited Date/Time 11/3/2017 12:30pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
I doubt it, I’ve been here since the first day this bar opened! Its his fault, get over it! Quit being an emotional little girl. If...
I doubt it, I’ve been here since the first day this bar opened!
Its his fault, get over it! Quit being an emotional little girl. If he was truly taking it from a young age, raced without a TUE in hand, he’s dumber than I thought he was.

I don’t agree with having testing, I think it’s a waste of time and money, it’s paid for on the backs of the riders BUT it is a reality, riders have to run their businesses properly until Trump does away with that rule also......they have to live with it.
IWreckALot wrote:
Your responses are a little over the top. WADA isn't rational with their system. Do you get a jail sentence for driving on an expired registration...
Your responses are a little over the top.

WADA isn't rational with their system.

Do you get a jail sentence for driving on an expired registration? That's the equivalent of what has happened here. The punishment is so far over the top for a paperwork issue only.

WADA's role should be drug testing and publishing results. That's it. It gives transparency to the sport. Let the governing body (AMA/FIM) determine what the penalty should be.

There was a documentary that got input from several different stake holders in the WADA/USADA, NFL, MLB, NHL, and some of the sports that use WADA. I believe it was the NFL was actually interested in WADA/USADA until they refused to bend and allow the NFL to control the penalty. What difference does it make to WADA if the NFL upholds their penalty or not?
I don’t really get why my responses are over the top! I agree everything about it is just not fair on every level but he knew the rules.

I read his response and gave my opinion. Once Stewart got what he got Every PROFESSIONAL knew the deal. I’m about accepting responsibity for ones personal actions.

After Stewart’s deal any rider who didnt get a TUE in hand prior to taking a drug is stupid!
Now after Cason’s deal any rider who doesn’t get a TUE in hand prior to taking a drug is beyond stupid!

He got a 4 year suspension for cheating (that’s how they look at it, not me)
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11/3/2017 12:46pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
I don’t really get why my responses are over the top! I agree everything about it is just not fair on every level but he knew...
I don’t really get why my responses are over the top! I agree everything about it is just not fair on every level but he knew the rules.

I read his response and gave my opinion. Once Stewart got what he got Every PROFESSIONAL knew the deal. I’m about accepting responsibity for ones personal actions.

After Stewart’s deal any rider who didnt get a TUE in hand prior to taking a drug is stupid!
Now after Cason’s deal any rider who doesn’t get a TUE in hand prior to taking a drug is beyond stupid!

He got a 4 year suspension for cheating (that’s how they look at it, not me)
Did you really read what was said? Or are you just going off what you think was said?

Can you tell me what this says here? I'm having a hard time reading it.

11/3/2017 12:47pm
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WADA has done absolutely NOTHING for our sport. Not 1 legitimate positive test IMO. The fact that they are suspending people for "improper paperwork" is an...
WADA has done absolutely NOTHING for our sport. Not 1 legitimate positive test IMO. The fact that they are suspending people for "improper paperwork" is an absolute joke.
?

He is suspended for a positive test.
He is not suspended for "improper paperwork".
11/3/2017 12:50pm
early wrote:
So what does a TUE even look like? Is it a piece of paper, a card, an email?
It is a set of documents. It's actually explained in the paperwork that Cade filled out and signed when applying for the TUE. It is also clearly explains that one is subject to testing for all banned substances and subject to any penalties for their use until that exemption is received.
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11/3/2017 12:57pm Edited Date/Time 11/3/2017 12:59pm
I can't help but view this situation like this: If I owned a business, and subcontracted out the drug testing to a company that had such poor communication as WADA, I would fire them, and find someone else to do my testing.

But I probably don't understand how it all works with WADA and the FIM/AMA etc.

I feel really bad for Cade. I hope he gets it worked out, but waiting a month for an email and nobody answering the phone doesn't sound good.
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11/3/2017 12:58pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
Simple really, don’t take unapproved drugs until you have a TUE in hand!
From what I read, he did! He sent it in, not once, but twice! It sounds like he did everything right and was busted because someone other than him did not process the TUE properly.
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If there isnt a set timetable stating (a TUE takes x amount of days to be issued once the paperwork has been submitted) then the whole system is rinky dink to say the least. And, if there is, what is it? The FIM needs to help people with this more than they appear to be doing. Unfortunately for Cade, he is a mole hill but if I were Feld I would be making a mountain out of it with the FIM.
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11/3/2017 1:21pm
731chopper wrote:
If there isnt a set timetable stating (a TUE takes x amount of days to be issued once the paperwork has been submitted) then the whole...
If there isnt a set timetable stating (a TUE takes x amount of days to be issued once the paperwork has been submitted) then the whole system is rinky dink to say the least. And, if there is, what is it? The FIM needs to help people with this more than they appear to be doing. Unfortunately for Cade, he is a mole hill but if I were Feld I would be making a mountain out of it with the FIM.
Exactly. There is accountability on their end to provide a decision in a timely manner. There simply is no excuse for not responding to an athlete who is trying to follow the rules. On top of that, how can they make paperwork so complicated that it's filled out wrong TWICE and yet, they provide no support to help an athlete fill it out correctly?

If I'm the sanctioning body or promoter, I would have a real issue with WADA's paperwork system affecting the product that's put on the track. They probably don't care since it's Clason but after losing Stew and now another rider, they should be quite concerned about the ease at which a star may not be allowed on the track. It directly affects their bottomline. I hope they wake up and make an effort to A) help Clason Cool find a way to not allow this to happen again.
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11/3/2017 1:22pm
"See? We don't randomly ruin the careers of just the potential title contenders; we'll fuck over anyone."
WADA should be removed from the equation if for no other reason than their inability or unwillingness to respond. Hell, I get better service from the DMV when I renew my driver's license!
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11/3/2017 1:23pm
This is a HUGE black eye for WADA. Hopefully it results in some changes to how they work.
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11/3/2017 1:33pm Edited Date/Time 11/3/2017 1:38pm
If I'm on a prescribed medication prescribed by a legit Doctor...and some of you want me TO STOP TAKING MY MEDS due to your belief that WADA OUT-RANKS my Doctor...

Please, get real.

I mean...damn.

I work with athletes that have done it right...and doing it right meant waiting for the WADA/USADA geniuses to learn to read and get educated on med's after SEVERAL APPLICATIONS FOR A TUE due to The HEALTH & SAFETY NEEDS OF THE RIDER...over more than a few seasons...one rider was in a really bad way at the end of the day without his NEEDED MEDS...

So, those of you with the righteous indignation that causes you to think you "know" what's going on here...
Or that USADA/WADA are always in the right...

Damn, you are sooooooooo wrong.
11/3/2017 1:34pm Edited Date/Time 11/3/2017 1:35pm
I understand rules are rules and Cade is definitely at fault in this situation but if this is how WADA is going to act then I say fuck them and their rules. We can't get them out of this sport quick enough as far as I'm concerned.
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I want to comment specifically on the claims about the penalties not being appropriate for the sport.

First of all, WADA, being a world organisation, covers all sorts of sports all over the world, some of which are Olympic sports and some aren’t. Even amongst the Olympic sports, there are very few these days where the Olympics are the only major competition. Athletes compete in all sorts of annual and biannual competitions and tournaments outside of the Olympic cycle.

Second, the four year penalty is only a recent change; it used to be two years which is not an “Olympic cycle”.

So this notion that the four year ban is only applicable to Olympic sports is ludicrous. Motocross is no different. A two year ban affects a rider as much as an F1 driver or rugby player or track and field athlete - as professional athletes their income is being affected every year they are out.

I’m always interested in watching how any organisation, sporting or other (including business), deals out penalties for breaching their own rules and regulations. They are a true test of how seriously the organisation takes its own rules and of the leadership mettle.

Penalties are intended to do a couple of things. It’s a direct punishment of those found guilty of breaching the regulations. They also serve as a deterrent to stop breaches actually occurring in the first place. When you take both of those together the nature of penalties is harsh - they have to be in order to be effective.

A penalty thus should be highly disruptive. It will be disruptive to the individual and to the organisation. This is where the leaders of the organisation become potentially conflicted. Punishing an individual for a breach hurts them as well. That can make it a really tough decision, but the good leaders will make those tough decisions because (a) it sets the right example, and (b) they know everyone will be watching and their choices in tough situations will affect the tone of how these cases are handled in future.

A culture of easy penalties will do nothing except send the message that it’s ok to break the rules.

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If I'm on a prescribed medication prescribed by a legit Doctor...and some of you want me TO STOP TAKING MY MEDS due to your belief that...
If I'm on a prescribed medication prescribed by a legit Doctor...and some of you want me TO STOP TAKING MY MEDS due to your belief that WADA OUT-RANKS my Doctor...

Please, get real.

I mean...damn.

I work with athletes that have done it right...and doing it right meant waiting for the WADA/USADA geniuses to learn to read and get educated on med's after SEVERAL APPLICATIONS FOR A TUE due to The HEALTH & SAFETY NEEDS OF THE RIDER...over more than a few seasons...one rider was in a really bad way at the end of the day without his NEEDED MEDS...

So, those of you with the righteous indignation that causes you to think you "know" what's going on here...
Or that USADA/WADA are always in the right...

Damn, you are sooooooooo wrong.
There’s always a choice - stop competing until cleared. Your example seems to suggest a rider was prepared to put his career ahead of his health. Dumb choice if you ask me.
11/3/2017 1:49pm Edited Date/Time 11/3/2017 1:57pm
ando wrote:
I want to comment specifically on the claims about the penalties not being appropriate for the sport. First of all, WADA, being a world organisation, covers...
I want to comment specifically on the claims about the penalties not being appropriate for the sport.

First of all, WADA, being a world organisation, covers all sorts of sports all over the world, some of which are Olympic sports and some aren’t. Even amongst the Olympic sports, there are very few these days where the Olympics are the only major competition. Athletes compete in all sorts of annual and biannual competitions and tournaments outside of the Olympic cycle.

Second, the four year penalty is only a recent change; it used to be two years which is not an “Olympic cycle”.

So this notion that the four year ban is only applicable to Olympic sports is ludicrous. Motocross is no different. A two year ban affects a rider as much as an F1 driver or rugby player or track and field athlete - as professional athletes their income is being affected every year they are out.

I’m always interested in watching how any organisation, sporting or other (including business), deals out penalties for breaching their own rules and regulations. They are a true test of how seriously the organisation takes its own rules and of the leadership mettle.

Penalties are intended to do a couple of things. It’s a direct punishment of those found guilty of breaching the regulations. They also serve as a deterrent to stop breaches actually occurring in the first place. When you take both of those together the nature of penalties is harsh - they have to be in order to be effective.

A penalty thus should be highly disruptive. It will be disruptive to the individual and to the organisation. This is where the leaders of the organisation become potentially conflicted. Punishing an individual for a breach hurts them as well. That can make it a really tough decision, but the good leaders will make those tough decisions because (a) it sets the right example, and (b) they know everyone will be watching and their choices in tough situations will affect the tone of how these cases are handled in future.

A culture of easy penalties will do nothing except send the message that it’s ok to break the rules.

I think he was just trying to say that a four year ban is completely asinine in MX/SX. Even a one year ban can be detrimental to a riders career (i.e James Stewart). To compare it to F1 is crazy as even a suspended F1 driver will probably make nearly as much as our top riders make when they are actively racing.

The whole point people are trying to make is that the way WADA rules is very extreme for our little sport, it doesn't matter what sport it does work for, it doesn't work for MX/SX and that's what we care about. Very few are making enough to where taking a few years off and making a return is really possible, I mean you're supposed to stay as sharp on the bike for those few years while also finding another way to make an income? Good luck.

I completely understand the whole "just don't take the medicine" point but would it not have been just as easy for WADA to let him know his paperwork was wrong? I mean they are paying WADA to do their job, right?
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ando wrote:
I want to comment specifically on the claims about the penalties not being appropriate for the sport. First of all, WADA, being a world organisation, covers...
I want to comment specifically on the claims about the penalties not being appropriate for the sport.

First of all, WADA, being a world organisation, covers all sorts of sports all over the world, some of which are Olympic sports and some aren’t. Even amongst the Olympic sports, there are very few these days where the Olympics are the only major competition. Athletes compete in all sorts of annual and biannual competitions and tournaments outside of the Olympic cycle.

Second, the four year penalty is only a recent change; it used to be two years which is not an “Olympic cycle”.

So this notion that the four year ban is only applicable to Olympic sports is ludicrous. Motocross is no different. A two year ban affects a rider as much as an F1 driver or rugby player or track and field athlete - as professional athletes their income is being affected every year they are out.

I’m always interested in watching how any organisation, sporting or other (including business), deals out penalties for breaching their own rules and regulations. They are a true test of how seriously the organisation takes its own rules and of the leadership mettle.

Penalties are intended to do a couple of things. It’s a direct punishment of those found guilty of breaching the regulations. They also serve as a deterrent to stop breaches actually occurring in the first place. When you take both of those together the nature of penalties is harsh - they have to be in order to be effective.

A penalty thus should be highly disruptive. It will be disruptive to the individual and to the organisation. This is where the leaders of the organisation become potentially conflicted. Punishing an individual for a breach hurts them as well. That can make it a really tough decision, but the good leaders will make those tough decisions because (a) it sets the right example, and (b) they know everyone will be watching and their choices in tough situations will affect the tone of how these cases are handled in future.

A culture of easy penalties will do nothing except send the message that it’s ok to break the rules.

I think he was just trying to say that a four year ban is completely asinine in MX/SX. Even a one year ban can be detrimental...
I think he was just trying to say that a four year ban is completely asinine in MX/SX. Even a one year ban can be detrimental to a riders career (i.e James Stewart). To compare it to F1 is crazy as even a suspended F1 driver will probably make nearly as much as our top riders make when they are actively racing.

The whole point people are trying to make is that the way WADA rules is very extreme for our little sport, it doesn't matter what sport it does work for, it doesn't work for MX/SX and that's what we care about. Very few are making enough to where taking a few years off and making a return is really possible, I mean you're supposed to stay as sharp on the bike for those few years while also finding another way to make an income? Good luck.

I completely understand the whole "just don't take the medicine" point but would it not have been just as easy for WADA to let him know his paperwork was wrong? I mean they are paying WADA to do their job, right?
Yes, my point is that mx is no different.

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