R.I.P. Isle of Man Riders

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they all know the risk and accept it. the epitome of........ ride it like you stole it. RIP
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I know it is a legendary race, and the layout still has everything we could see in like F1 in the 60's so it is even more mythic, i respect the riders for what they do but for me no way. Guys you have to think about your family.
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I know it is a legendary race, and the layout still has everything we could see in like F1 in the 60's so it is even...
I know it is a legendary race, and the layout still has everything we could see in like F1 in the 60's so it is even more mythic, i respect the riders for what they do but for me no way. Guys you have to think about your family.
That is indeed also something I ask myself: if you've little kids and a beautiful girl then why are you still doing road racing and not circuit. But I love someone like Sebastian Legrelle who said in a Belgian documentary: I have no girlfriend, never made kids with mine short flirts and that just because I don't wanna put people true hell when I'm racing or even worse.
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A good friend of mine is there racing, another good friend hung it up after last year, every june i dread the TT . But i would never say anything, Its their life , they choose their own path , as do those around them ,

I have tried to quit racing , my wife doesnt like me not racing, but it makes me who i am , and that makes her who she is .. without it , we just dont work.

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6/8/2017 2:50pm
I've watched this race for a long time do I want them to ban it no I don't. Those guys are crazy there's no other way to put it if they weren't just absolutely off The Rocker you'd have guys like Valentino Rossi and big names coming to try and beat them but it never happens that way. I guess that's what makes it so special it just sucks to know that every year someone is probably going to die there and that's a little annoying but that's how it is. I don't see there really any way of making it any safer either you're either going to hit a building a curb sidewalk or slide underneath some fence out in an open field hopefully the barbed wire doesn't cut your head off there's no way you can change those aspects at all to make it safer. The race truly is what it is
6/8/2017 2:54pm Edited Date/Time 6/8/2017 2:56pm
philG wrote:
A good friend of mine is there racing, another good friend hung it up after last year, every june i dread the TT . But i...
A good friend of mine is there racing, another good friend hung it up after last year, every june i dread the TT . But i would never say anything, Its their life , they choose their own path , as do those around them ,

I have tried to quit racing , my wife doesnt like me not racing, but it makes me who i am , and that makes her who she is .. without it , we just dont work.
And many people will never understand that last paragraph. My dad and grandfather (my dad's father in law) had been involved in auto racing their entire life. Every night, with the exception of a few weeks off in January, revolved around building, improving, or preparing some aspect of the cars. Everything revolved around the series schedules. Due to some health problems with my grandfather and at the requests of other family members, my dad discouraged further racing and they hung it up. My grandfather's health went all to hell and he died within a couple of years. I still believe that if they had continued, he would have lasted 10-15 more years. Racing was pretty much everything to him, a fact that most people can't begin to comprehend.
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The top riders put a lot of preparation into it. The drive the circuits, pre ride them to memorise it.
I think it's awesome. More top riders should stump up. It's not for the midgets of MotoGP and they're rider assists..
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6/8/2017 5:03pm
Put them all on twin cylinder Nortons in featherbed frames with the tires from the 50's and 60's the way those roads were meant to be tamed...
also give them the brakes from today for safety.

Sorry but if any other racing event around the world had 2 to 5 fatalities a year it wouldn't be around long.

Rest in peace fellow riders. Very very sad here. Sad
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4 in 2016 3 in 2017. 32 in last decade. How can organizers sleep at night.
Because that's why we race.

Ever race Rc cars? There is zero chance of dying while racing rc. That is also why it is only a tenth as fun as racing the real thing.

The closer you are to dying, the closer you are to truly living.
6/8/2017 7:03pm Edited Date/Time 6/8/2017 7:05pm
None of us are going to get out of here alive. Don't take unnecessary risks ,maintain a decent life style, and you may make it to old age, shitting all over yourself in some nursing home in your final days.

Put your fears aside, and live your life. Don't worry about what others opinions are, or what they think of you.

Would suck to live in the bubble, and have a heart attack trying to grunt out last nights dinner in the morning.

None of us are guaranteed even our next breath.
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Rest In Peace. Massive respect for those willing to attempt the TT. If you are are ignorant of the risk then don't attempt it. Simple as that.
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I only feel sorry for the poor souls who have to clean up the mess on the road of body parts.
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I personally don't consider myself a chickenshit when it comes to doing fun/slightly dangerous activities. I ride street bikes on So Cal roads which probably isn't the safest thing to do. But I don't know how these guys can race something this dangerous with such a big chance of not coming out alive.

F1 in its early years and the sport would lose more than a few drivers yearly. If you were a member of the Ferrari team in the 50's-60' era there was around a 50% chance you would lose your life before tour career was over. Now you rarely hear of a F1 driver getting killed. Progress in safety is possible without losing the thrill. Seems like the organizers of the Isle need to work on improving safety
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6/8/2017 7:42pm
Mx746 wrote:
as a fan, where is your " I can't support this" threshold. 10 fatalities per year, 20? More? I'm not asking for a ban. If your...
as a fan, where is your " I can't support this" threshold. 10 fatalities per year, 20? More? I'm not asking for a ban. If your life holds no value outside of a motorcycle race, that's your decision. I won't support that decision. Continue with the "massive balls" comments.
You should read Bearuno's comment.....then maybe you'll understand my " Big balls " comment. Everything he said ( which is way better coming from him ) holds true. He said it perfectly!
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BTW.....to the guys condemning this race , ask yourself this very question , and answer honestly....weather it be here or just to yourself.

If you're driving down the highway at a pretty good clip ( say 10 - 15mph over the speed limit ).....

Some guy passes you like you're standing still , do you say to yourself..." That dude is nuts , what an idiot ". OR....you come up behind some other dude , who is doing the speed limit , and you say " Man this dude is an idiot , and needs to learn how to drive! "

Everything is centered around what " you believe." It's what you perceive as everything should be....exactly the way you want it. Anyone who doesn't follow your rules of life , must be freaking crazy , or have a death wish , pr just plain stupid and needs to get out of your way.

These guys at the Isle....they live their life the way " They " want to....Not yours. And it's their God given right to do so. To sit there and say they are stupid for doing it , is an insult to them and everyone who loved them , or the people whom they loved.

Should be ashamed of your selves. And again....RIP moto brothers!
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6/8/2017 10:16pm
The most badass race in the world. The deceased riders knew the risk and were willing to pay the ultimate prize doing what they loved. I couldn't imagine going out in a better way than ball to the wall fast. Sad for their families though. RIP
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6/8/2017 10:32pm Edited Date/Time 6/8/2017 10:39pm
I dont know, Im kinda on the fence on this one. Sometimes we need protection from our own selves. We already have certain decisions mandated by one entity or the other, even in instances where we may only harm ourselves (or close to it). For instance, minimal safety gear requirements at MX races. If they werent made to, there would be somebody who would race with shoes on and not boots (financial reasons etc.) or drive without a seat belt, etc., etc. Most mandates occur after patterns have emerged, over time.

On the other hand, stopping people from doing something of their own free will is an extremely slippery slope. Where does it start? Where does it stop? Does it end when its too late and we become characters in a George Orwell novel?

As always, there are exceptions and my comments were not absolute.
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6/8/2017 11:24pm
MXMattii wrote:
That is indeed also something I ask myself: if you've little kids and a beautiful girl then why are you still doing road racing and not...
That is indeed also something I ask myself: if you've little kids and a beautiful girl then why are you still doing road racing and not circuit. But I love someone like Sebastian Legrelle who said in a Belgian documentary: I have no girlfriend, never made kids with mine short flirts and that just because I don't wanna put people true hell when I'm racing or even worse.
Thats exactly what Guy martin has said multiple times. No wife/ Girlfriend, no kids.

Guy Martin is the coolest dude ever btw
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God Speed to the fallen. Most other forms of Motorsport have gotten safer over the years with safer walls, air fences, etc , the Isle of...
God Speed to the fallen.

Most other forms of Motorsport have gotten safer over the years with safer walls, air fences, etc , the Isle of Man is just as trecherous as it has always been.
Yeah they don't save lives, the people just go faster
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This is riders choice
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MXMattii wrote:
That is indeed also something I ask myself: if you've little kids and a beautiful girl then why are you still doing road racing and not...
That is indeed also something I ask myself: if you've little kids and a beautiful girl then why are you still doing road racing and not circuit. But I love someone like Sebastian Legrelle who said in a Belgian documentary: I have no girlfriend, never made kids with mine short flirts and that just because I don't wanna put people true hell when I'm racing or even worse.
Sideways wrote:
Thats exactly what Guy martin has said multiple times. No wife/ Girlfriend, no kids.

Guy Martin is the coolest dude ever btw
Did you guys see the interview with Guy Martin after the crash he had this year?


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I have been over to the TT a couple of times now. It's a amazing spectacle that can only be appreciated once you see the risks and the incredibly high skill set these riders posses.

Why you say? Most riders out of the top 10 won't be getting paid. They do it for the love they have for the sport. It's the ultimate man and machine challenge. I think it's accepted by the families, i can't recall a family member of a passed rider ever asking for the event to be banned. Yes the death statistics are high, but it can't be compared to say a motocross event.

It's history for the last 100 years it's been happening and a island that thrives on the TT races. Without that there would be a huge void in the motorcycling world. It's refreshing that it's something that's allowed to go ahead in this day and age. The Isle of Man have their own government, if it was different and they was under U.K. law it probably would of been stopped. Long live the TT. And R.I.P to all the fallen riders this year, I hope there families find comfort in knowing they was doing what they loved!

If you ever have chance please visit the TT, you will be blown away!
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6/9/2017 2:49am
Can't believe anyone says ban it. Adults can make their own informed decision.

Climbing Everest is a good analogy, the only reason people want to stop that is environmental ones, not because they are trying to save lives.

Lets ban base jumping, and heli skiing while we're about it.

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6/9/2017 5:34am
Someone posted about one of the guys who died had two young daughters. It seems VERY selfish to ride in that race if you have kids.
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6/9/2017 5:46am Edited Date/Time 6/9/2017 5:59am
Our riding Motorcycles can be looked on as '' VERY selfish'' by so many.

All of our riding.

Whilst it is a tremendously sad thing to have deaths in racing, and I hope all bereaved families and friends get through this, We All who ride could die at any time we ride.

So, for you people criticizing riders for racing the IOM, I, once again put to you - Stop riding your Motorcycles Now. You are taking a risk that most of society holds as being too much of a risk. Indeed, stop Anything that has a risk to it - you can die / be seriously injured in so many ways, without even getting near a Motorcycle.

This pontificating / grandstanding about these deaths, disgusts me - as I said before, especially so when coming from fellow riders.

Just give up on riding now - you are doing the wrong thing, by the way you write. Just become sedentary, pathetic blobs, as so much of society is becoming. There's plenty of computer games you can 'ride', but hell, the excitement of it all might just give you a bloody heart attack.

Shameful, holier than thou stuff from a few here.
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6/9/2017 6:00am
Let the racers race.

Rest In Peace to the fallen.
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6/9/2017 6:07am
Bearuno wrote:
Our riding Motorcycles can be looked on as '' VERY selfish'' by so many. All of our riding. Whilst it is a tremendously sad thing to...
Our riding Motorcycles can be looked on as '' VERY selfish'' by so many.

All of our riding.

Whilst it is a tremendously sad thing to have deaths in racing, and I hope all bereaved families and friends get through this, We All who ride could die at any time we ride.

So, for you people criticizing riders for racing the IOM, I, once again put to you - Stop riding your Motorcycles Now. You are taking a risk that most of society holds as being too much of a risk. Indeed, stop Anything that has a risk to it - you can die / be seriously injured in so many ways, without even getting near a Motorcycle.

This pontificating / grandstanding about these deaths, disgusts me - as I said before, especially so when coming from fellow riders.

Just give up on riding now - you are doing the wrong thing, by the way you write. Just become sedentary, pathetic blobs, as so much of society is becoming. There's plenty of computer games you can 'ride', but hell, the excitement of it all might just give you a bloody heart attack.

Shameful, holier than thou stuff from a few here.
There is a BIG difference between racing the Isle of Man and going riding with your buddies on Sunday.
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6/9/2017 6:33am
Bearuno wrote:
Our riding Motorcycles can be looked on as '' VERY selfish'' by so many. All of our riding. Whilst it is a tremendously sad thing to...
Our riding Motorcycles can be looked on as '' VERY selfish'' by so many.

All of our riding.

Whilst it is a tremendously sad thing to have deaths in racing, and I hope all bereaved families and friends get through this, We All who ride could die at any time we ride.

So, for you people criticizing riders for racing the IOM, I, once again put to you - Stop riding your Motorcycles Now. You are taking a risk that most of society holds as being too much of a risk. Indeed, stop Anything that has a risk to it - you can die / be seriously injured in so many ways, without even getting near a Motorcycle.

This pontificating / grandstanding about these deaths, disgusts me - as I said before, especially so when coming from fellow riders.

Just give up on riding now - you are doing the wrong thing, by the way you write. Just become sedentary, pathetic blobs, as so much of society is becoming. There's plenty of computer games you can 'ride', but hell, the excitement of it all might just give you a bloody heart attack.

Shameful, holier than thou stuff from a few here.
JSmith wrote:
There is a BIG difference between racing the Isle of Man and going riding with your buddies on Sunday.
Any half way sentient creature knows this, to make this a binary choice is absurd and hyperbolic.

People are conflating two issues here. I don't see hardly anyone suggest banning the race, which I agree should run. I am against the nanny state. But there's a totally separate issue of how selfish it would be to do this with family, which is more than wife or kids. There's parents, siblings, etc... There is nothing wrong with people pointing out how selfish it is or not supporting it for this reason.
6/9/2017 6:40am
JSmith wrote:
There is a BIG difference between racing the Isle of Man and going riding with your buddies on Sunday.
There is a big difference to us, likely not to the wider public....just a different amount of unnecessary risk on the same scale.
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6/9/2017 8:18am
No one here would say anything to those dudes faces, why?...because they know its none of their business and they also know they would be the ones looking like an idiot for saying it. I think it's crazy, but they have a right to do it, its thier life, kids or no kids. Doesnt matter whether I or anyone else agrees with it. Like someone else said, the freakin nanny state had got to stop, its killing us literaly on many different levels, no matter where you live.

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