Tomac - Elite Speed, Pedestrian Mental Game

fullysicmate
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Tomac is not as good on the kawasaki. Still fast as hell but dont see the same tomac that rode red.
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6/3/2017 10:44pm
Tomac is not as good on the kawasaki. Still fast as hell but dont see the same tomac that rode red.
Dude has more wins this season on the Kawawi then he ever did on the red bike, & looks at one with it. You came to that conclusion from one Moto? On a track that took out both shoulder blades?
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I don't know what races you guys are watching.

Last year Tomac comes back from injury on a new bike and is the only one to race with and beat Roczen. Then while Roczen is sipping umbrella drinks and talking smack on twitter, Tomac puts on a clinic at the USGPs.

This year he wins the most SX races and throws down some of the most exciting laps and come from behind ridesanyone has seen in awhile.

At hangtown he comes from behind and goes 1-1 like a boss. Glenn Helen he came from about 13th to 2nd and was eating those guys up fast. 2nd moto his pulls in with locked brake goes back out lap and a half down and gets it back into the points in 19th with no front brake. I was at Glenn Helen and Tomac handled the pressure like a champion and salvaged what he could out of a bad situation and got a few points.

This week he has a mediocre ( for him ) first moto and come back for a second. Pretty damn good for an off week.

I see a guy who is motivated, mentally tough, confident, handles pressure , and is willing to hang it out. And does it better than anyone else recently.
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Tomac is not as good on the kawasaki. Still fast as hell but dont see the same tomac that rode red.
cali11 wrote:
Dude has more wins this season on the Kawawi then he ever did on the red bike, & looks at one with it. You came to...
Dude has more wins this season on the Kawawi then he ever did on the red bike, & looks at one with it. You came to that conclusion from one Moto? On a track that took out both shoulder blades?
Still not as fast as his last mx season on honda until the crash.
Would also have a sx title if he has electric start.

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And people actually believe Dungey would've struggled outdoors this summer?! BAHAHAHAHAHA! I am bummed ET struggles this much, but if it makes the series more interesting...
And people actually believe Dungey would've struggled outdoors this summer?! BAHAHAHAHAHA! I am bummed ET struggles this much, but if it makes the series more interesting, im all for it.
Dungey would have went 23-1...or better this year. No shit. Dead fuckin serious.
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6/4/2017 12:06am
RG1 wrote:
This is exactly why I never pick him to win titles. These rides from him are far too common. Having said that, even I made him...
This is exactly why I never pick him to win titles. These rides from him are far too common. Having said that, even I made him favourite for this title, with the way the field is currently. He surely has to win this title? He will never have a better chance
It's too bad he's not racing the MXGP field on these tracks . He'd win every moto.
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RG1 wrote:
This is exactly why I never pick him to win titles. These rides from him are far too common. Having said that, even I made him...
This is exactly why I never pick him to win titles. These rides from him are far too common. Having said that, even I made him favourite for this title, with the way the field is currently. He surely has to win this title? He will never have a better chance
He will never win a title if he can't win this one.

I still think he is the favorite but the margin of error is not that big anymore.
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6/4/2017 1:23am
I'd like to know what kind of pressure you guys think was on him in that moto that wasn't there during the SLC SX?
Easy. In SLC he was the hunter. He had nothing to lose. This entire outdoor series, he has been the hunted. The guy who was supposed to win. The guy with the bullseye on his back. Just like 2013 SX. Just like New Jersey SX this year. Just like MX this year. When he is the guy to beat, or the hunted per se, he often struggles.
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RG1 wrote:
This is exactly why I never pick him to win titles. These rides from him are far too common. Having said that, even I made him...
This is exactly why I never pick him to win titles. These rides from him are far too common. Having said that, even I made him favourite for this title, with the way the field is currently. He surely has to win this title? He will never have a better chance
ATKpilot99 wrote:
It's too bad he's not racing the MXGP field on these tracks . He'd win every moto.
Lololo! Sure sure
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6/4/2017 2:12am
Far from over but you can't have a moto fightin for 5th or so and your closest rival comes from a first turn crash and passes you. Not a good sign as far as championship prowess.
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6/4/2017 2:42am
Samuel wrote:
You can say Tomac doesn't have what it takes, but you also have to acknowledge that nobody else does either. Nobody that's racing has shown they...
You can say Tomac doesn't have what it takes, but you also have to acknowledge that nobody else does either. Nobody that's racing has shown they can win a title. It's not over until it's over. Who's to say Marvin doesn't have a meltdown like he did when he lost the 250 title?
agn5009 wrote:
Baggett has shown he can win an outdoor title twice.
I wasn't counting 250 titles. If I were, this wouldn't even be a discussion. Tomac earned his single digit number already.
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6/4/2017 3:05am
I'd like to know what kind of pressure you guys think was on him in that moto that wasn't there during the SLC SX?
The pressure of a very difficult track that previously put him out of commission for an entire season. He rode extra conservatively. I don't think he was willing to take any risks yesterday.
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6/4/2017 5:01am
RG1 wrote:
This is exactly why I never pick him to win titles. These rides from him are far too common. Having said that, even I made him...
This is exactly why I never pick him to win titles. These rides from him are far too common. Having said that, even I made him favourite for this title, with the way the field is currently. He surely has to win this title? He will never have a better chance
ATKpilot99 wrote:
It's too bad he's not racing the MXGP field on these tracks . He'd win every moto.
ajv#26 wrote:
Lololo! Sure sure
Well he was 4 for 4 last year.... Sliced through those guys like a hot knife through butter Smile
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6/4/2017 5:09am
Samuel wrote:
You can say Tomac doesn't have what it takes, but you also have to acknowledge that nobody else does either. Nobody that's racing has shown they...
You can say Tomac doesn't have what it takes, but you also have to acknowledge that nobody else does either. Nobody that's racing has shown they can win a title. It's not over until it's over. Who's to say Marvin doesn't have a meltdown like he did when he lost the 250 title?
Meltdown? The dude had a mechanical....


I still pick Eli for the championship, he just needs to get his head out of his ass.
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6/4/2017 5:13am
You know what is interesting to me?

Eli on his Honda was a fucking demon in the ruts. It was better the nastier it was... soft, long shitty ruts, bumps you name it.

But he washed the front left and right on hardpack.

Now, the Kawi, he's seemingly got ice-racing spiked tyres on hardpack and hasn't been as good in rutty crap.
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6/4/2017 5:34am
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And people actually believe Dungey would've struggled outdoors this summer?! BAHAHAHAHAHA! I am bummed ET struggles this much, but if it makes the series more interesting...
And people actually believe Dungey would've struggled outdoors this summer?! BAHAHAHAHAHA! I am bummed ET struggles this much, but if it makes the series more interesting, im all for it.
BobbyM wrote:
Dungey would have went 23-1...or better this year. No shit. Dead fuckin serious.
This. And I think Bobby's tackle box is still on the shelf.
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6/4/2017 5:39am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2017 5:41am
I think Baggett has great racecraft and line choice. The guy seems to be able to find lines that no one else can. Tomac just seemed to stick to the same line the majority of the race. He does seem just a little off, but maybe it's just an off weekend. He's got 2 weeks to get the train back on the tracks.
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6/4/2017 6:10am
I'd like to know what kind of pressure you guys think was on him in that moto that wasn't there during the SLC SX?
TDeath21 wrote:
Easy. In SLC he was the hunter. He had nothing to lose. This entire outdoor series, he has been the hunted. The guy who was supposed...
Easy. In SLC he was the hunter. He had nothing to lose. This entire outdoor series, he has been the hunted. The guy who was supposed to win. The guy with the bullseye on his back. Just like 2013 SX. Just like New Jersey SX this year. Just like MX this year. When he is the guy to beat, or the hunted per se, he often struggles.
Exactly-nailed it. It is a much different beast when the expectation of winning the title is hoisted on your shoulders. Not much to gain, but everything to lose. This is REAL pressure, and I'm sure that Eli will adapt to this new mental burden, but it ain't easy. In time, guys like Dungey and RV, and RC, and select others in this rarified air become even more respected because of how difficult it is to be either near the top of your game or at the top of your game, race after race, year after year.

Dungey retired because of a lot of reasons, but I'm sure one of the primary reasons was that he was tired of the pressure of being the hunted all the time, and as time goes on he has nothing to gain (besides the obvious material gain), and everything to lose. Eventually even the money isn't motivating enough, because once you are "over" fighting the good fight and you have always been expected to win, the juice ain't worth the squeeze any more.

Dungey's consistency has been off the chain ridiculous. Tomac has these same expectations now. Not an easy thing to live up to. I actually feel for the guy and have mad respect for him, but at this point there is blood in the water, and these other guys I'm sure are fed up with one guy winning all the time (recently Dungey, but before him, RV, etc), and they now see their opportunity more now than in the past several years. Tough for Eli, but great for all of us as fans! Unless you are an Eli fan of course! But I sure as hell don't think Eli has a pedestrian mental game. Dude is as tough as they come and he will get his shit figured out.
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6/4/2017 8:28am
6 motos in, 4 podiums, salvaged points after a brake issue,top 5 when maybe he just wasn't comfortable. Remember Hangtown? I'm sure he's comfortable were he's at it in points.
Put your t.v.'s on mute when watching the next couple of rounds,and watch with an open mind. I think you'll see certain,so called title contenders in a whole new light. In a positive and negative way.
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6/4/2017 9:12am
USMCMXer wrote:
And people actually believe Dungey would've struggled outdoors this summer?! BAHAHAHAHAHA! I am bummed ET struggles this much, but if it makes the series more interesting...
And people actually believe Dungey would've struggled outdoors this summer?! BAHAHAHAHAHA! I am bummed ET struggles this much, but if it makes the series more interesting, im all for it.
BobbyM wrote:
Dungey would have went 23-1...or better this year. No shit. Dead fuckin serious.
Laughing He might or might not have won another title but dominating every race was never his strong suit.
6/4/2017 9:30am
Gandorlf wrote:
Never understood why people are so keen to write Tomac off. Everytime he has a bit of a bobble it's like all his wins are suddenly...
Never understood why people are so keen to write Tomac off. Everytime he has a bit of a bobble it's like all his wins are suddenly forgotten and he doesn't have what it takes.
It's because they are stupid.
Meanwhile, a guy who has been mid-pack for years, suddenly has one break-through ride and they are ready to crown him king. They don't even see the contradictions in their own posts.
This generation has no attention span, can't remember anything past the last race, like dogs with squirrels.
6/4/2017 9:36am
downard254 wrote:
I think Baggett has great racecraft and line choice. The guy seems to be able to find lines that no one else can. Tomac just seemed...
I think Baggett has great racecraft and line choice. The guy seems to be able to find lines that no one else can. Tomac just seemed to stick to the same line the majority of the race. He does seem just a little off, but maybe it's just an off weekend. He's got 2 weeks to get the train back on the tracks.
And it's only taken what? like 7 or 8 years for him to find that 'great racecraft.' Pissed away so many years on different factory teams, but now he wins one moto and he's your hero and Tomac's the chump.
You clowns are classic.
6/4/2017 9:40am
Gandorlf wrote:
Never understood why people are so keen to write Tomac off. Everytime he has a bit of a bobble it's like all his wins are suddenly...
Never understood why people are so keen to write Tomac off. Everytime he has a bit of a bobble it's like all his wins are suddenly forgotten and he doesn't have what it takes.
Mr. Knobby wrote:
It's because they are stupid. Meanwhile, a guy who has been mid-pack for years, suddenly has one break-through ride and they are ready to crown him...
It's because they are stupid.
Meanwhile, a guy who has been mid-pack for years, suddenly has one break-through ride and they are ready to crown him king. They don't even see the contradictions in their own posts.
This generation has no attention span, can't remember anything past the last race, like dogs with squirrels.
Actually....

The OP is about precisely the opposite - Tomac's body of work when the pressure to perform in on, when the Championships are on the line. He's shown repeatedly an inability to handle the exact situations that have made Dungey, Villopoto, Ricky, Chad, MC and the rest legends.

I'm not sure anyone is "crowning" Blake... the reality is Blake won a hell of a Championship in 2012, fought like hell in 2011 and lost it to Dean, and has dealt with enormous injury issues on a very difficult part of the body for the last years. His ride yesterday - for me at least - is representative of what he can do. Now, same question applies to him as to Tomac: Can he do it if/when he's got the red plate? With luck we'll find out because that will just mean the season will be even better.

Marv has two World Championships, I'm pretty sure Marv can handle the pressure, as he's showing atm. Eli.... the same can not be said at this point in time. Perhaps that will change, but he might just go down in history as one of the guys with Elite skill and speed who couldn't win the big ones.

Roczen must be sitting at home losing his mind - he'd be destroying this Championship by now.
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6/4/2017 9:49am
Hey genius Tomac destroyed both shoulders at Denver two years ago. He has a west title and a national title
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6/4/2017 9:56am
Tomac is incredibly fast. His bad starts and mechanical just let the door open and other riders gained confidence. I don't think it is a weak mental side...he's as tough and motivated as they come.
6/4/2017 9:58am Edited Date/Time 6/4/2017 10:07am
Hut wrote:
Hey genius Tomac destroyed both shoulders at Denver two years ago. He has a west title and a national title
Ha...

What's he done in the 450 wise guy? That's the point of the thread... if you can't read - which seems to be the case - please leave your butt hurt Tomac ball swinging for another thread. Vitards... never gets old.

Go post somewhere else, I can't quite handle the level of intellect on display.
6/4/2017 10:08am
mccread wrote:
Tomac is incredibly fast. His bad starts and mechanical just let the door open and other riders gained confidence. I don't think it is a weak...
Tomac is incredibly fast. His bad starts and mechanical just let the door open and other riders gained confidence. I don't think it is a weak mental side...he's as tough and motivated as they come.
Did you watch Supercross?
6/4/2017 10:14am
Wow! A lot of really great posts and I've been think'in the same things about Tomac ever since he had that meltdown at the MXON a few years ago. As a dumb fan, I want to see every one of these stupidly talented riders perform to their potential. When they don't it is easy to pile on them for what appears to be obvious reasons. Sure hope Tomac gets it figured out because he is amazing to watch when he is ON...
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6/4/2017 10:26am
Hut wrote:
Hey genius Tomac destroyed both shoulders at Denver two years ago. He has a west title and a national title
Ha... What's he done in the 450 wise guy? That's the point of the thread... if you can't read - which seems to be the case...
Ha...

What's he done in the 450 wise guy? That's the point of the thread... if you can't read - which seems to be the case - please leave your butt hurt Tomac ball swinging for another thread. Vitards... never gets old.

Go post somewhere else, I can't quite handle the level of intellect on display.
No ball swinging here dipshit. Bagget beat him fair and square yesterday afternoon. Eli Tomac won what 9 SX events while trying to take down Dungey, not too shabby. Let's see how the season plays out before we go shitting all over the guy.
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6/4/2017 10:29am
Anyone who can win the 250 outdoor title has already proven they are mentally tough enough to win any title... And IMO, I would Much rather see et3 applying the dungey long game for the championship, then pwning the field by 5 seconds a lap and missing the last half of the series because of injury... I prefer to see this et3 as the still ridiculously fast guy, but the older wiser one that is in it to win it, yr after yr

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