Budds Creek Working To Save Its National

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5/26/2017 7:21pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2017 7:23pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
Are you deaf? I wasn't talking about the screen grab of your back and forth, I was talking about the one with the F bombs in...
Are you deaf? I wasn't talking about the screen grab of your back and forth, I was talking about the one with the F bombs in it!
Kkawboy,

You did not read what I said. I never posted any f bombs on this site ever! Nothing ever! I have always followed the rules or GuyB would had removed me. So let me say this again. I have never posted any curse words here on this site.
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5/26/2017 7:37pm
its the russians

killing the sport and hacking 810s account

they are ever where
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5/26/2017 7:59pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2017 8:01pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
Are you deaf? I wasn't talking about the screen grab of your back and forth, I was talking about the one with the F bombs in...
Are you deaf? I wasn't talking about the screen grab of your back and forth, I was talking about the one with the F bombs in it!
Moto810 wrote:
Kkawboy, You did not read what I said. I never posted any f bombs on this site ever! Nothing ever! I have always followed the rules...
Kkawboy,

You did not read what I said. I never posted any f bombs on this site ever! Nothing ever! I have always followed the rules or GuyB would had removed me. So let me say this again. I have never posted any curse words here on this site.
Dude you are deaf, I never said it was you! Why do you keep thinking I'm talking about you? I was responding to what DC copied that had F bombs in it. I never said it was you and I never implied it was you.

I said "the one guys opinion about D.C. Was way over the top"

I think you missed something.
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5/26/2017 8:04pm
you fucking guys and your "YouTube"

Any of you hating been to a national recently? It's the complete opposite of this forum. I went to shoug last year and the crowd was huge. Even weirder? A guy barely in the top 10 got the loudest cheers lap after lap, even though the majority of this board can't stand him and thinks his fans have turned on him.

DC is doing a great job. You guys need to step away from the fantasy that is your computer screen.

We have every moto televised live for fucks sake! What was the TV like in 06? OLN, airing the week after?

Give me a fucking break.

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5/26/2017 8:09pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2017 8:09pm
Old-Man wrote:
Wonder what Big Dave would do, I'm sure he would have a say so about it and band the track owners together to come up with...
Wonder what Big Dave would do, I'm sure he would have a say so about it and band the track owners together to come up with a better solution, He was pretty good about such matters.
JustMX wrote:
He would probably patch things up so we are back racing at a legendary facility like Glen Helen.... oh, never mind....MX Sports has done that...... He...
He would probably patch things up so we are back racing at a legendary facility like Glen Helen....

oh, never mind....MX Sports has done that......

He would probably work with another promoting organization to bring MX GPs back to the states with some planning for the future....

Crap... MX Sports has done that too....

Well, I know he would have stepped in when changes were happening that would directly affect the future of American MX and work out a deal so that there is some consistency and a group of knowledgeable people to plan the path to keep it alive.......

Damn.........MX Sports again.........


I agree that our sport is going through a challenging time.

It isn't just about money, or the cost, or the speed of the bikes....

It is sociological changes that are prevalent in every aspect of our lives.

Unfortunately part of that is people losing the ability to have a civil discussion while debating conflicting opinions.

Do I agree with everything that MX Sports has done?

Hell no..... I was a race promoter for over 15 years...... I see and feel directly the sweeping changes that have happened in our sports since the late 90's........ Saw them coming, but didn't see the downturn in the economy coming.

Very few have navigated the churning seas very well..... MX Sports has kept OUR boat afloat....... That can't have been an easy thing through the last couple of years.

It is easy for some of us that have been around the sport for a long time to fondly remember stuff like hanging around at the holiday inn at Gatorback the night before the nationals and listening to O'mara talking about testing with Magoo.

It was a good time that I wish kids now could experience because it beat the hell out of the pro pit experience now.

But dang, what would I have given to be able to watch the race live, and/or on demand? Hell, I still have a hard time believing that is possible.

Times change... Things change.....Our sport included.....

Comparing race crowds from 10 years ago and using it to critique current leadership is just silly.

Hell, Carlsbad had 20,000 spectators.... Can the current leadership not find some blue grove facility that has no amenities and run a race? Worked then......Truth is they would be lucky if 200 showed up..... And 198 of them would bitch about no wifi and/or having to wait 10 minutes to get in the gate......

Again, I Certainly don't agree with everything that MX Sports has done, but glad that they are making the decisions rather than other options we could have had to endure.

Hopefully they can make some changes that might help down the road but I can only imagine how complicated it is with all the parties involved.

Keep up the good work DC and MX Sports.....





Well said, Joe.

To quote the late great motorist Rodney King: "People, I just want to say, can't we all get along? Can't we all get along?"

Now, back to your regularly scheduled Vital pissing contest...
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5/26/2017 8:44pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2017 8:46pm
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Hi, I'm in "Aviation" also. I've not seen any such "down-turn". In-fact, thanks to Boeing & the 787...it's hard to keep up! Any hoo... About DC...&...
Hi, I'm in "Aviation" also. I've not seen any such "down-turn". In-fact, thanks to Boeing & the 787...it's hard to keep up!

Any hoo...

About DC...& your incompetent drivel about what he "does or does not" DO for our sport...

He's taken on a ton of personal responsibility and...well...let's just call it "A TON OF FUCKING RISK" to save this whole damn thing from becoming a real clown show that would've been for "Factory Teams/Super well FUNDED Teams ONLY"...all the while...you spew your shit. The best of which was your "non-profit" non-sense.

But...again...I digress.

Your slinging SHIT at a dude who's already taken a bunch of shit from others regarding all the usual "shit they obviously don't know". To which I would humbly request...

"Please, just...stop."
Moto810 wrote:
Ok your correct the USA did not just go through a downturn in the economy. It was my imagination. I never slung shit on here. Everyone...
Ok your correct the USA did not just go through a downturn in the economy. It was my imagination.

I never slung shit on here. Everyone on this thread said the same thing I did about the costs of racing.

Saying that the past promoter would have caused the sport to die is your opinion. I do not know them but I am sure they worked just as hard as the current staff who runs different parts of the sport.

In the end I am not on here making excuses about why the sport is struggling. I as well as others on here offered up reasons or solutions. Much like your opinion we on this thread can all have one.
Where TF did I say THE USA DIDN'T SUFFER A DOWN-TURN...? Dude! C O M P R E H E N D. My point was about AVIATION. Damn!

As for your ASSUMPTION that I was referring to "past promoters"? Well, let's chalk that up to the OTHER POINT I MADE...here I'm referring to..."shit they obviously don't know"...and that appears to be you...AGAIN.

SOMEONE-ELSE was trying to slide in and grab The Nationals.

DAMN.

Please, jus' stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
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5/26/2017 8:58pm
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Where TF did I say THE USA DIDN'T SUFFER A DOWN-TURN...? Dude! C O M P R E H E N D. My point was about...
Where TF did I say THE USA DIDN'T SUFFER A DOWN-TURN...? Dude! C O M P R E H E N D. My point was about AVIATION. Damn!

As for your ASSUMPTION that I was referring to "past promoters"? Well, let's chalk that up to the OTHER POINT I MADE...here I'm referring to..."shit they obviously don't know"...and that appears to be you...AGAIN.

SOMEONE-ELSE was trying to slide in and grab The Nationals.

DAMN.

Please, jus' stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
What are you talking about someone else sliding in to grab the nationals? Who cares who was bidding. We can't say who would had done a better job or anything like that. We only know what the conditions are now. Thinking we know what another promoter would had done to the sport is speculation at best.
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5/26/2017 9:13pm
Moto810 wrote:
Kkawboy, You did not read what I said. I never posted any f bombs on this site ever! Nothing ever! I have always followed the rules...
Kkawboy,

You did not read what I said. I never posted any f bombs on this site ever! Nothing ever! I have always followed the rules or GuyB would had removed me. So let me say this again. I have never posted any curse words here on this site.
Let's just say I'm keeping an eye on your posts. Some of your previous encounters with DC (around Lasergate) were less than stellar, and I'd say some of the stuff you've posted are close to your previous lows.

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5/26/2017 9:20pm
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And what is wrong with that. Same thing everyone else was saying. I just posted some video with it. Seems funny none of us can see...
And what is wrong with that. Same thing everyone else was saying. I just posted some video with it.


Seems funny none of us can see all these posts but you have them all. Do you own Vital or just pay for that level of access?
What's wrong with it? If you have an opinion? Let it fly. Saying the same thing repeatedly? That's poisoning the well for no reason.

I just got to dig into this thread. As usual, I'm reading backwards through it, which is an easy way to see what people react to.

You can go to anyone's profile and see their posting history. DC neither owns Vital (it's owned by my boss, Brad), nor does he have any special access. Your tinfoil hat may be wound a little too tight.
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5/26/2017 9:29pm Edited Date/Time 5/26/2017 9:41pm
hillbilly wrote:
bunch of posts missing, why?
Moto810 wrote:
Oh wow? How about that? All my posts were removed. I never attacked anyone or any company. We were only talking about costs of the sport...
Oh wow? How about that? All my posts were removed. I never attacked anyone or any company. We were only talking about costs of the sport. Hummmm I wonder if someone requested it? LOL
Why? The agenda is easy to spot. So is the thumb in the eye.
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I am pretty sure no one has an agenda on this thread. People saying high costs of the sport is what is hurting it is not an agenda. The sport is world wide. Not just US Nationals. I have no business in this industry thus I could not have an agenda. Costs, Safety, Noise, and other factors are all part of the decline. End of story.
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Moto810 wrote:
I am pretty sure no one has an agenda on this thread. People saying high costs of the sport is what is hurting it is not...
I am pretty sure no one has an agenda on this thread. People saying high costs of the sport is what is hurting it is not an agenda. The sport is world wide. Not just US Nationals. I have no business in this industry thus I could not have an agenda. Costs, Safety, Noise, and other factors are all part of the decline. End of story.
I would quit while behind,

i have used it once,once
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Jesus you guys are like a bunch of teenagers.
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Concerning the cost of racing issue, at the amateur level anyway.

It was expensive back in the day.
I know it took most of my money as a teen and 20 something.
I think in the early 70s the min wage was $1.65 an hour.
Buy a bike, get it to the track, pay entry fees, and make it back home on that homeboys.

What amuses me, and kinda is a big part of the problem, I think, is the bling factor nowadays.
You can get a set of leather gloves at the hardware store for 6 bucks.
Or a set from a shop for 50.
Jerseys, what are guys paying for a jersey with polka dots on them?
A sweat shirt or long sleeve shirt can be had for under 10 dollars.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Seems nobody is satisfied with making a stock bike work anymore.
Revalve this,triple clamp that, change the pipe for whatever.

Instead of just working with what you have, what you can afford, regardless of what the kid in daddies motor home
thinks or says.

But hey, I get it. You don't look the part , you don't have the cool gear, the cool bike, yer a squid.

You're not winning, you're not placing, it ain't the bike. It ain't the gear.
It's you.
Work out harder. Practice more. Keep the equipment you do have in as best shape you can. Maintain.

Sometimes, when I hit a local event, it's like I went to a race, and a fashion show broke out.



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5/27/2017 9:33am Edited Date/Time 5/27/2017 9:34am
Raced my 1st race at Budds Creek in 1976 and have attended almost every Pro National, USGP and MXoN race there. They tell me A hare scramble crash in 1999 has me not remembering that race. Lol

Hope Budds does not loose the national.
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5/27/2017 10:28am Edited Date/Time 5/27/2017 11:45am
phatfi20 wrote:
I've heard Matthes say on his show "there are 3-4 nationals where the industry is like "why are we here"?" The MD/PA/VA surrounding area already doesn't...
I've heard Matthes say on his show "there are 3-4 nationals where the industry is like "why are we here"?" The MD/PA/VA surrounding area already doesn't have a Supercross, unless you consider New York. Steel City was shut down recently.Would be terrible to lose Budds National.

From Budds Creek FB Page:

"Dear Fan's, I gave up Father's Day so the schedule didn't travel from Ca. to Budds and then back to Colorado. Since that move, our date has been moved four times and the Aug. crowd is 1/2. There are three Nationals on the chopping blocks for small crowds, PLEASE PUT AUGUST 19 on your schedule and attend the National and try to ride amateur day.
We start today to move 2,500 loads of fresh dirt to the MX. We are OPEN THIS WEEKEND, Sat, Sun & Memorial Day. Come see the new changes from just three days this weekend.
Thanks to all those who supported Budds over the past four decades, please come to this National. Thank you, Jonathan"
When Matthes says "industry" he means DC. Basically, he's putting up the money to run the races. Even though we like certain tracks, they may get the ax if DC can't afford them, or they aren't producing. Its his show, all the racers and track owners are afforded an opportunity to participate in his program if they want to, and if they follow the rules. If they don't, then he can, and will cut them.
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Jesus you guys are like a bunch of teenagers.
On their period
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Thanks for the support, gang. here's the last thing I'm going to say on this so Moto810 might understand a little better, or not, doesn't really matter...

Moto810 wrote: "Saying that the past promoter would have caused the sport to die is your opinion. I do not know them but I am sure they worked just as hard as the current staff who runs different parts of the sport."

The "past promoter" was the NPG, which was founded by my dad in 1997. We have been running the series (along with the AMA and our fellow event promoters) since then. When the AMA decided to sell AMA Pro Racing in 2007, that's when things got sideways with Youthstream, as they were invited by the AMA to bid on the series and we were all concerned if they got the series, it would be absorbed into the GPs. In the end Daytona Motorsports Group got the whole thing and then allowed MX Sports, and not the NPG, to take over the rights and responsibilities for AMA Pro Motocross because the NPG was more like a roundtable than a business, and running the series full-time required an actual management company. So the same people -- my sister and I managed the business of the NPG after my dad died in August '98 -- are managing the series with many of the same promoters (Hangtown, Glen Helen, Colorado, High Point, RedBud, Southwick, Spring Creek, Washougal, Budds Creek, Unadilla). The series is thriving, we're going to have a USGP and we've never had more sponsors or better TV coverage. The rider count is down, but it's down everywhere. We're all trying to find ways to fix that, including looking at some of even Moto810's ideas.

It's a complicated story, if you haven't been paying attention, but it's working, thanks to everyone who supports the series and comes out to the races. Now if we could just get the costs of maintaining 250Fs down...

DC
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^^^^^Interesting last sentence to sign off with.
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kzizok wrote:
^^^^^Interesting last sentence to sign off with.
His dot dot dot at the end is......just him poking the bear with a stick, it's an impossibility, it's inrelevant, it's a joke for the 2 stroke guys to have hope for the future of 2 strokes........
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Nope kkawboy14, trying really hard to make a 2-stroke something happen. We are trying at GNCC, at LL MX, with this dream races. Takes time to turn full-on battleships around. I get the frustration, I get the confusion, but I also get the reality of the situation from an OEM point of view... My best friend owns a bike shop (Cernic's Racing) and I know what he's going through and wishes to see. He also owns a bike shop and knows how important 125cc bike were and are (and 250cc as well). We are trying to find a way to make room for 125cc two-strokes. We have a good start at the local (LLMX) and GNCC levels. It's not happening fast enough for some, but it's happening...

But just wait until three-stroke electric bikes show up and just destroy status quo....

Kidding. All in this together.

DC
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5/28/2017 4:50pm Edited Date/Time 5/28/2017 5:27pm
DC wrote:
Nope kkawboy14, trying really hard to make a 2-stroke something happen. We are trying at GNCC, at LL MX, with this dream races. Takes time to...
Nope kkawboy14, trying really hard to make a 2-stroke something happen. We are trying at GNCC, at LL MX, with this dream races. Takes time to turn full-on battleships around. I get the frustration, I get the confusion, but I also get the reality of the situation from an OEM point of view... My best friend owns a bike shop (Cernic's Racing) and I know what he's going through and wishes to see. He also owns a bike shop and knows how important 125cc bike were and are (and 250cc as well). We are trying to find a way to make room for 125cc two-strokes. We have a good start at the local (LLMX) and GNCC levels. It's not happening fast enough for some, but it's happening...

But just wait until three-stroke electric bikes show up and just destroy status quo....

Kidding. All in this together.

DC
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I figured that was where you were going with it. I cant help but find the humor in this being buried in a thread. I mean, we may have dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria, once the taliban sees this.

Its the right thing to do and could help revive participation. However, its not a panecea, by itself (I know you know that) and I hope people dont expect an overnight savior. It is a step in the right direction.
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5/28/2017 5:22pm Edited Date/Time 5/28/2017 5:25pm
DC wrote:
Nope kkawboy14, trying really hard to make a 2-stroke something happen. We are trying at GNCC, at LL MX, with this dream races. Takes time to...
Nope kkawboy14, trying really hard to make a 2-stroke something happen. We are trying at GNCC, at LL MX, with this dream races. Takes time to turn full-on battleships around. I get the frustration, I get the confusion, but I also get the reality of the situation from an OEM point of view... My best friend owns a bike shop (Cernic's Racing) and I know what he's going through and wishes to see. He also owns a bike shop and knows how important 125cc bike were and are (and 250cc as well). We are trying to find a way to make room for 125cc two-strokes. We have a good start at the local (LLMX) and GNCC levels. It's not happening fast enough for some, but it's happening...

But just wait until three-stroke electric bikes show up and just destroy status quo....

Kidding. All in this together.

DC
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I guess you missed my...... at the end of that sentence for 2 strokes. Smile

Maintenance costs for any pro will never go down whether it's 2 or 4 strokes. They replace stuff just so it doesn't break.

Until all or most of the manufactures make 2 strokes, I don't see how they will ever be relevant again.

Now if we can just fix front brakes on KXF450s......
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Not to go all on topic... but I'd love to see the nationals mix it up more. There must be other deserving venues in this country. Make the legacy ones rotate in and out, with new ones coming in for 3 year runs. God knows there's no logic in CA hosting 1/6 of the mx series and almost 1/3 of sx. Watching hangtown and glen helen certainly doesn't make me want to attend either in person.
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5/29/2017 12:02am Edited Date/Time 5/29/2017 12:14am
DC wrote:
Nope kkawboy14, trying really hard to make a 2-stroke something happen. We are trying at GNCC, at LL MX, with this dream races. Takes time to...
Nope kkawboy14, trying really hard to make a 2-stroke something happen. We are trying at GNCC, at LL MX, with this dream races. Takes time to turn full-on battleships around. I get the frustration, I get the confusion, but I also get the reality of the situation from an OEM point of view... My best friend owns a bike shop (Cernic's Racing) and I know what he's going through and wishes to see. He also owns a bike shop and knows how important 125cc bike were and are (and 250cc as well). We are trying to find a way to make room for 125cc two-strokes. We have a good start at the local (LLMX) and GNCC levels. It's not happening fast enough for some, but it's happening...

But just wait until three-stroke electric bikes show up and just destroy status quo....

Kidding. All in this together.

DC
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Hard stuff.

Seriously,

I am cool with shooting 100usd to Budds Creek to keep it alive.

Maybe 500 of us can do this.

Jonathan has made so many memories for me. THANK YOU Mr John. Seriously........we camped there many years..

Please post the "free money for you" account.
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Bring back Freestone!
mb60 wrote:
How about Red Rock or Cycle Ranch over Freestone ?
This. They just need to plow a damn second entrance out there and it would be magic having a national at Cycle Ranch.
Please dear baby jesus make this a thing.
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Nope kkawboy14, trying really hard to make a 2-stroke something happen. We are trying at GNCC, at LL MX, with this dream races. Takes time to...
Nope kkawboy14, trying really hard to make a 2-stroke something happen. We are trying at GNCC, at LL MX, with this dream races. Takes time to turn full-on battleships around. I get the frustration, I get the confusion, but I also get the reality of the situation from an OEM point of view... My best friend owns a bike shop (Cernic's Racing) and I know what he's going through and wishes to see. He also owns a bike shop and knows how important 125cc bike were and are (and 250cc as well). We are trying to find a way to make room for 125cc two-strokes. We have a good start at the local (LLMX) and GNCC levels. It's not happening fast enough for some, but it's happening...

But just wait until three-stroke electric bikes show up and just destroy status quo....

Kidding. All in this together.

DC
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teggers wrote:
Hard stuff. Seriously, I am cool with shooting 100usd to Budds Creek to keep it alive. Maybe 500 of us can do this. Jonathan has made...
Hard stuff.

Seriously,

I am cool with shooting 100usd to Budds Creek to keep it alive.

Maybe 500 of us can do this.

Jonathan has made so many memories for me. THANK YOU Mr John. Seriously........we camped there many years..

Please post the "free money for you" account.
He posted on fb awhile ago,he has plenty of assets that could be sold to get himself out of debt. Not sure how much he owes, but he was living pretty good for a few years.
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8/6/2018 6:09am Edited Date/Time 8/6/2018 6:10am
So is THIS the last year? Or is every year going to be the last year?
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So is THIS the last year? Or is every year going to be the last year?
He just needs a good turn out for the race, reading between the lines He got himself into some legal / financial trouble putting on the MXoN .
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Dude this thread got freakin heated. Guys its the internet. Nothing on here matters. Relax.

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