Eli's Strategy?

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5/3/2017 7:35pm
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Eli is a class act. I expect him to just go out and do his best. I don't know why he just has these awful nights...
Eli is a class act. I expect him to just go out and do his best. I don't know why he just has these awful nights. He did it on the 250 and now on the 450. Maybe he can't handle the pressure, gets arm pump, I don't know what.....Its really weird. You can forget about Eli playing dirty. Ain't gonna happen. He knows he lost the title last week. Now the best thing he can do is go out and win another.
^ This. I find it rather hypocritical that there are so many bitching about MM and KTM in one thread and then devoting so much effort on everything Tomac Should do other than go out ride his best and try to win the race. Sick
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If I was Kawasaki I would tell Grant he needs to kill it (not Ryan) in the heat race so he can get a good gate pick for the main. Have him rub Ryan in the first turn and take him wide.

And if you think that stuff doesn't go on you're delusional. This is big business and the big bosses want to win.
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We are on the same page, but not many others seem to think Eli can toy with the field when he's ON: http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Will-Tomac-bunch-them-up-in-Vegas,1318716 If I were...
We are on the same page, but not many others seem to think Eli can toy with the field when he's ON:

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Will-Tomac-bunch-them-up-…

If I were Eli, I would think bunching them up behind me would be my only chance at gaining 9 points.
Man I just don't get this whole "bunch them up" behind him.....?? Dry

You seriously think that would work? Like if he slows down no one will bother to pass, just all pile up and slow down with him? No one will get by?

Frickin stupidest thing I've heard, come on guy....Pinch
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5/3/2017 7:52pm Edited Date/Time 5/3/2017 7:53pm
TripleFive wrote:
If I'm ELIte, I'm riding the race just like this: [img]https://www.tntmagazine.com/media/Travel/tandem-biking.jpg[/img]
If I'm ELIte, I'm riding the race just like this:

There's no way he would have a chance on that bike.

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5/3/2017 8:03pm
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If I was Tomac I would pay Grant $200k if he aims for Dungeys front wheel and successfully bends his disc enough that he has to...
If I was Tomac I would pay Grant $200k if he aims for Dungeys front wheel and successfully bends his disc enough that he has to fart around changing wheels.
Yep
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Honestly Ryan can win vegas. He's the best in the business at throttle control tracks.

Tomac isn't that type of rider, and vegas can easily be over ridden. Eli should just ride his best and see what happens.
5/3/2017 8:35pm
We are on the same page, but not many others seem to think Eli can toy with the field when he's ON: http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Will-Tomac-bunch-them-up-in-Vegas,1318716 If I were...
We are on the same page, but not many others seem to think Eli can toy with the field when he's ON:

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Will-Tomac-bunch-them-up-…

If I were Eli, I would think bunching them up behind me would be my only chance at gaining 9 points.
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Man I just don't get this whole "bunch them up" behind him.....?? :dry: You seriously think that would work? Like if he slows down no one...
Man I just don't get this whole "bunch them up" behind him.....?? Dry

You seriously think that would work? Like if he slows down no one will bother to pass, just all pile up and slow down with him? No one will get by?

Frickin stupidest thing I've heard, come on guy....Pinch
Dude, I'm sorry are you really that clueless. I honestly didn't know if you were serious, but it does appear you are that dumb. If you don't understand the concept you just don't understand racing period.

Did you see the Salt Lake City Race? Do you realize Tomac could have probably pulled over when leading, let everyone by, and then passed everyone again for the win? Yes, he is that dominant when he's on and no one can touch him.

Did you see the Chad Reed/Ryan Dungey incident? Do you realize Chad Reed is approx 3 seconds slower than Eli?

If you don't have the brains to piece these two situations together then we cannot help you. If he slows the pace, bunches them up, and someone gets around him, he'll just pass them right back. Meanwhile, all the dicing starts in the pack behind him. It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out.

If you've ever watched supercross, have you seen what happens behind Vince Friese when he starts blocking?? Go take a look and maybe, just maybe you'll understand.
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5/3/2017 8:39pm
You want to be in 2nd behind Dunge all the way down to the last lap. You want to haunt him the entire way. Then as early as you can in the last lap you gotta some how take him out so he finishes as far back as possible.

Is this what I would do? Probably not. I would probably just try and win and see how it all ends up. But that is your best strategy to win the title if you really don't care what people think.

And many have done it.
5/3/2017 8:43pm
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Man I just don't get this whole "bunch them up" behind him.....?? :dry: You seriously think that would work? Like if he slows down no one...
Man I just don't get this whole "bunch them up" behind him.....?? Dry

You seriously think that would work? Like if he slows down no one will bother to pass, just all pile up and slow down with him? No one will get by?

Frickin stupidest thing I've heard, come on guy....Pinch
Well, if Dundee is right behind Tomac, at the risk of sparking a stuff-session, it seems like it's in his best interest not to pass him.

RD has never had less of a reason to try and pass ET all season long.

Further, why would he try and put a wheel in on a guy that has had him absolutely covered each time they've been together all year?



You really must hang around some brilliant people if the "back-him-up" strategy is the stupidest thing you've ever heard.
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I'm going to guess he'll try to win, and not pull any chicken shit moves like have his teammate take Dungey out. It's not happening, they'll race fair, and whoever comes out on top comes out on top.
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5/3/2017 8:51pm Edited Date/Time 5/3/2017 8:54pm
Tomac hasn't mastered what's in his control, yet. Let alone, all of the variables out if his control. To give him the best chance of winning the title, he needs 100% concentration on himself. Get out front, set a blistering pace, hope the pace forces mistakes behind him, and keep it on two wheels.

This isn't velodrome racing.
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How would ride the final race when you're down by 9 points? I don't see Eli trying to take Ryan out (or getting someone else to...
How would ride the final race when you're down by 9 points?

I don't see Eli trying to take Ryan out (or getting someone else to do it) so here's what I'd do:

Shadow the fuck out of Ryan the entire Main moto. Don't punt him, but just ride in front of him, slow down and let him pass, and then pass him back and just get in his head. Ryan's smart and usually unshakable, but Eli's only hope is that something shakes Ryan and it won't happen if Eli get's up front and wins and Ryan has all the track behind Eli back to 5th place to ride his own race. Ryan has shown he can handle that. So my answer would be to just be all over Ryan in as nice a way as possible to see Ryan can deal as they move through traffic TOGETHER. Doubt it will work, but that's the only way to victory that I see for Eli.

What would be your strategy for Eli?
This can work, we know how rattled Dungey was with the Reed incident, so that's proof that he can be shaken. It's all a head game Sat. night.
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5/3/2017 9:07pm
His plan? Win and hope for the best.
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Flatliner wrote:
Honestly Ryan can win vegas. He's the best in the business at throttle control tracks. Tomac isn't that type of rider, and vegas can easily be...
Honestly Ryan can win vegas. He's the best in the business at throttle control tracks.

Tomac isn't that type of rider, and vegas can easily be over ridden. Eli should just ride his best and see what happens.
I agree that Dungey is the best at throttle control tracks, but, unless they use different dirt for different races, Tomac proved at MEC that he's no slouch at controlling the throttle, either.
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If that scenario plays out Saturday night, guess who wins the championship?
5/3/2017 10:28pm
As a Big Tomac fan I'd like to see him come out in Vegas and take it on the chin when asked about NY SX. Give Ryan his props for being the champion that he is, then go on to win the main with a dominant performance.
5/3/2017 10:28pm
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His plan? Win and hope for the best.
Far too simple for this thread.
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Dude, I'm sorry are you really that clueless. I honestly didn't know if you were serious, but it does appear you are that dumb. If you...
Dude, I'm sorry are you really that clueless. I honestly didn't know if you were serious, but it does appear you are that dumb. If you don't understand the concept you just don't understand racing period.

Did you see the Salt Lake City Race? Do you realize Tomac could have probably pulled over when leading, let everyone by, and then passed everyone again for the win? Yes, he is that dominant when he's on and no one can touch him.

Did you see the Chad Reed/Ryan Dungey incident? Do you realize Chad Reed is approx 3 seconds slower than Eli?

If you don't have the brains to piece these two situations together then we cannot help you. If he slows the pace, bunches them up, and someone gets around him, he'll just pass them right back. Meanwhile, all the dicing starts in the pack behind him. It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out.

If you've ever watched supercross, have you seen what happens behind Vince Friese when he starts blocking?? Go take a look and maybe, just maybe you'll understand.
I get what your theory is but it definitely wouldn't work, especially not on a SX track..
Who is going to sit behind Tomac if he's purposely holding them up? Anderson? Musquin? Millsaps? Reed? Webb? None of those guys have any allegiance to Tomac and would punt him if he was messing with them especially for a race win! It could maybe work if the tables were turned and Dungey needed the points cause there's plenty of KTM's and Huskies to run spoiler but that would never happen either..

Maybe.. MAYBE for a few laps
5/3/2017 10:56pm Edited Date/Time 5/3/2017 10:58pm
We are on the same page, but not many others seem to think Eli can toy with the field when he's ON: http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Will-Tomac-bunch-them-up-in-Vegas,1318716 If I were...
We are on the same page, but not many others seem to think Eli can toy with the field when he's ON:

http://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Will-Tomac-bunch-them-up-…

If I were Eli, I would think bunching them up behind me would be my only chance at gaining 9 points.
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Man I just don't get this whole "bunch them up" behind him.....?? :dry: You seriously think that would work? Like if he slows down no one...
Man I just don't get this whole "bunch them up" behind him.....?? Dry

You seriously think that would work? Like if he slows down no one will bother to pass, just all pile up and slow down with him? No one will get by?

Frickin stupidest thing I've heard, come on guy....Pinch
Dude, I'm sorry are you really that clueless. I honestly didn't know if you were serious, but it does appear you are that dumb. If you...
Dude, I'm sorry are you really that clueless. I honestly didn't know if you were serious, but it does appear you are that dumb. If you don't understand the concept you just don't understand racing period.

Did you see the Salt Lake City Race? Do you realize Tomac could have probably pulled over when leading, let everyone by, and then passed everyone again for the win? Yes, he is that dominant when he's on and no one can touch him.

Did you see the Chad Reed/Ryan Dungey incident? Do you realize Chad Reed is approx 3 seconds slower than Eli?

If you don't have the brains to piece these two situations together then we cannot help you. If he slows the pace, bunches them up, and someone gets around him, he'll just pass them right back. Meanwhile, all the dicing starts in the pack behind him. It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out.

If you've ever watched supercross, have you seen what happens behind Vince Friese when he starts blocking?? Go take a look and maybe, just maybe you'll understand.
Nope, I don't get your stupid theory either!

(I QUOTE)
"If he slows the pace, bunches them up, and someone gets around him, he'll just pass them right back. Meanwhile, all the dicing starts in the pack behind him. It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out."

If he slows the pace and someone gets around him and UPs the pace, Eli will have to UP the pace to pass him back. Thus, STRETCHING out the field, not bunching it. When he takes back the lead & slows again, he'll get passed again & repeat. Stretching it even further.
In this sport, riders don't 'follow'. Passing is frequent and easy, ESPECIALLY when someone is 'slowing the pace'.

Your theory won't work.

It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out..
5/3/2017 11:17pm
do what Reed tried to do to stew for the title. ITS FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP I repeat a CHAMPIONSHIP. You gotta do what you gotta do to win right? So get dirty who cares.
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Dungey didn't score less then 18 points this season right.. So that''s only 7... Small chance it will work out for Tomac.. Musquin, Bagget, Millsaps, (Anderson as training buddy, semi KTM?).

Don't think that Tomac can have strategy, only convince us that last week was a small glitch in a dominating period..

Rooting for both of them since Roczen got injured.. Men what a comeback by Tomac, still not the close end we wanted, but this was one exciting season!
5/4/2017 12:09am
dirtnapper wrote:
Man I just don't get this whole "bunch them up" behind him.....?? :dry: You seriously think that would work? Like if he slows down no one...
Man I just don't get this whole "bunch them up" behind him.....?? Dry

You seriously think that would work? Like if he slows down no one will bother to pass, just all pile up and slow down with him? No one will get by?

Frickin stupidest thing I've heard, come on guy....Pinch
Dude, I'm sorry are you really that clueless. I honestly didn't know if you were serious, but it does appear you are that dumb. If you...
Dude, I'm sorry are you really that clueless. I honestly didn't know if you were serious, but it does appear you are that dumb. If you don't understand the concept you just don't understand racing period.

Did you see the Salt Lake City Race? Do you realize Tomac could have probably pulled over when leading, let everyone by, and then passed everyone again for the win? Yes, he is that dominant when he's on and no one can touch him.

Did you see the Chad Reed/Ryan Dungey incident? Do you realize Chad Reed is approx 3 seconds slower than Eli?

If you don't have the brains to piece these two situations together then we cannot help you. If he slows the pace, bunches them up, and someone gets around him, he'll just pass them right back. Meanwhile, all the dicing starts in the pack behind him. It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out.

If you've ever watched supercross, have you seen what happens behind Vince Friese when he starts blocking?? Go take a look and maybe, just maybe you'll understand.
Nope, I don't get your stupid theory either! (I QUOTE) "If he slows the pace, bunches them up, and someone gets around him, he'll just pass...
Nope, I don't get your stupid theory either!

(I QUOTE)
"If he slows the pace, bunches them up, and someone gets around him, he'll just pass them right back. Meanwhile, all the dicing starts in the pack behind him. It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out."

If he slows the pace and someone gets around him and UPs the pace, Eli will have to UP the pace to pass him back. Thus, STRETCHING out the field, not bunching it. When he takes back the lead & slows again, he'll get passed again & repeat. Stretching it even further.
In this sport, riders don't 'follow'. Passing is frequent and easy, ESPECIALLY when someone is 'slowing the pace'.

Your theory won't work.

It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out..
Dirtnapper under a different account or just another bimbo? "riders don't follow" huh? Hahahaah. Ever heard the term "one lined"? Lol, there's a lot more following than passing in SX, dictated by the tracks of course. Maybe you and Dirtnapper should watch a race or two. You dumb asses are basically saying that the Reed incident didn't happen...because Dungey would've just just passed him so easily when he slowed down right? This is exactly the type of scenario I'm describing which just happened a few weeks ago. And to claim Tomac couldn't do the same while being much faster and able to pass the field like they're kids on KTM 50's? You guys obviously missed the Reed incident so go watch the St Louis race and enlighten yourselves. Also, take note that when two guys are "slowing" and "upping" while jockeying for position, they are not at full race pace so the field will catch up quickly, even the slower guys.

Watch that video someone posted above of JS7 pulling over for Reed and them passing him again. It's called toying with someone's head. Meanwhile, if someone like Cooper, Seely, Grant, Brayton, Reed etc were to catch up because Tomac is managing the pace, they aren't going to give two shits about block passing Dungey to go for a win in Vegas. This could easily cause the carnage that Eli needs. Eli's only role would be to slow the pace from the front just enough to line up the train behind him, nothing dirty when you are going for a championship. Yeah Marvin and Anderson could be there too, but when bikes bunch up shit happens and riders tangle, even teammates and training partners. In my opinion, this is Eli's only chance other than being dirty.

This all of course is only possible if Eli has the magic speed we've seen from him when he smokes everyone. Who knows, Dungey and Marvin could leave a struggling Tomac in the dust again this weekend for all we know. Eli might lose even more points, we'll see. I'm rooting for Dungey to win, but if Eli is on I think he could ride a wide bike and make things really interesting.
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Only way it happens is Mechanical, or Eli forces it...

Something like Dungey gets a pretty good start and is running say 2-4th, not improbable... and Eli gets a worst one, catches everyone late, and on the way past Dungey to the win, blows him off the track hard.
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Line up next to Dungey on the start. Intentionally slow him off the start to make them both get a crappy start. Don't take him out. Just make him almost last. Then blitz through the pack. We all know Eli can climb through a hell of a lot faster than Dungey. Just hope Dungey stalls out passing around 10th or makes a mistake, and that eli can get high enough to tie him in points. It's Dirty but not THAT dirty. Make Dungey fight for it at least. Bout all I would do.
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Hope this happens again. Thats his best shot [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/05/03/192450/s1200_s1200_image.jpg[/img]
Hope this happens again. Thats his best shot

Why is Ryan Gosling dancing in the backround?
5/4/2017 5:37am
Dirtnapper under a different account or just another bimbo? "riders don't follow" huh? Hahahaah. Ever heard the term "one lined"? Lol, there's a lot more following...
Dirtnapper under a different account or just another bimbo? "riders don't follow" huh? Hahahaah. Ever heard the term "one lined"? Lol, there's a lot more following than passing in SX, dictated by the tracks of course. Maybe you and Dirtnapper should watch a race or two. You dumb asses are basically saying that the Reed incident didn't happen...because Dungey would've just just passed him so easily when he slowed down right? This is exactly the type of scenario I'm describing which just happened a few weeks ago. And to claim Tomac couldn't do the same while being much faster and able to pass the field like they're kids on KTM 50's? You guys obviously missed the Reed incident so go watch the St Louis race and enlighten yourselves. Also, take note that when two guys are "slowing" and "upping" while jockeying for position, they are not at full race pace so the field will catch up quickly, even the slower guys.

Watch that video someone posted above of JS7 pulling over for Reed and them passing him again. It's called toying with someone's head. Meanwhile, if someone like Cooper, Seely, Grant, Brayton, Reed etc were to catch up because Tomac is managing the pace, they aren't going to give two shits about block passing Dungey to go for a win in Vegas. This could easily cause the carnage that Eli needs. Eli's only role would be to slow the pace from the front just enough to line up the train behind him, nothing dirty when you are going for a championship. Yeah Marvin and Anderson could be there too, but when bikes bunch up shit happens and riders tangle, even teammates and training partners. In my opinion, this is Eli's only chance other than being dirty.

This all of course is only possible if Eli has the magic speed we've seen from him when he smokes everyone. Who knows, Dungey and Marvin could leave a struggling Tomac in the dust again this weekend for all we know. Eli might lose even more points, we'll see. I'm rooting for Dungey to win, but if Eli is on I think he could ride a wide bike and make things really interesting.
Nope, you're still not making any sense.
Take a look back at Reed's lap times- his times were 'right there' all the while Dungey 'was being held up', but the lap Reed's times dropped off, Ryan was past.

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Dude, I'm sorry are you really that clueless. I honestly didn't know if you were serious, but it does appear you are that dumb. If you...
Dude, I'm sorry are you really that clueless. I honestly didn't know if you were serious, but it does appear you are that dumb. If you don't understand the concept you just don't understand racing period.

Did you see the Salt Lake City Race? Do you realize Tomac could have probably pulled over when leading, let everyone by, and then passed everyone again for the win? Yes, he is that dominant when he's on and no one can touch him.

Did you see the Chad Reed/Ryan Dungey incident? Do you realize Chad Reed is approx 3 seconds slower than Eli?

If you don't have the brains to piece these two situations together then we cannot help you. If he slows the pace, bunches them up, and someone gets around him, he'll just pass them right back. Meanwhile, all the dicing starts in the pack behind him. It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out.

If you've ever watched supercross, have you seen what happens behind Vince Friese when he starts blocking?? Go take a look and maybe, just maybe you'll understand.
Nope, I don't get your stupid theory either! (I QUOTE) "If he slows the pace, bunches them up, and someone gets around him, he'll just pass...
Nope, I don't get your stupid theory either!

(I QUOTE)
"If he slows the pace, bunches them up, and someone gets around him, he'll just pass them right back. Meanwhile, all the dicing starts in the pack behind him. It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out."

If he slows the pace and someone gets around him and UPs the pace, Eli will have to UP the pace to pass him back. Thus, STRETCHING out the field, not bunching it. When he takes back the lead & slows again, he'll get passed again & repeat. Stretching it even further.
In this sport, riders don't 'follow'. Passing is frequent and easy, ESPECIALLY when someone is 'slowing the pace'.

Your theory won't work.

It doesn't take half a brain to figure this out..
Dirtnapper under a different account or just another bimbo? "riders don't follow" huh? Hahahaah. Ever heard the term "one lined"? Lol, there's a lot more following...
Dirtnapper under a different account or just another bimbo? "riders don't follow" huh? Hahahaah. Ever heard the term "one lined"? Lol, there's a lot more following than passing in SX, dictated by the tracks of course. Maybe you and Dirtnapper should watch a race or two. You dumb asses are basically saying that the Reed incident didn't happen...because Dungey would've just just passed him so easily when he slowed down right? This is exactly the type of scenario I'm describing which just happened a few weeks ago. And to claim Tomac couldn't do the same while being much faster and able to pass the field like they're kids on KTM 50's? You guys obviously missed the Reed incident so go watch the St Louis race and enlighten yourselves. Also, take note that when two guys are "slowing" and "upping" while jockeying for position, they are not at full race pace so the field will catch up quickly, even the slower guys.

Watch that video someone posted above of JS7 pulling over for Reed and them passing him again. It's called toying with someone's head. Meanwhile, if someone like Cooper, Seely, Grant, Brayton, Reed etc were to catch up because Tomac is managing the pace, they aren't going to give two shits about block passing Dungey to go for a win in Vegas. This could easily cause the carnage that Eli needs. Eli's only role would be to slow the pace from the front just enough to line up the train behind him, nothing dirty when you are going for a championship. Yeah Marvin and Anderson could be there too, but when bikes bunch up shit happens and riders tangle, even teammates and training partners. In my opinion, this is Eli's only chance other than being dirty.

This all of course is only possible if Eli has the magic speed we've seen from him when he smokes everyone. Who knows, Dungey and Marvin could leave a struggling Tomac in the dust again this weekend for all we know. Eli might lose even more points, we'll see. I'm rooting for Dungey to win, but if Eli is on I think he could ride a wide bike and make things really interesting.
This "bunch em up" theory is the dumbest shit I've heard in awhile.

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