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FARANG wrote:
We don't really know how long he was taking it, so I don't see how we can check his results "before". We know how he was...
We don't really know how long he was taking it, so I don't see how we can check his results "before".

We know how he was while taking unlimited amounts under the radar (super focused ride at Toronto 2014 just before the positive test) and we know his results after being limited to only a suitable medicinal amount after getting caught (schoolboy errors, mistakes since the comeback from his ban etc.)

People on here get really upset if you suggest he was cheating. But that's exactly what it was, and as stated above WADA clearly concluded that "His failure to do so was not simply a failure of paperwork", hence the ban.

There's a big difference between taking enough to function normally in everyday life (TUE) and taking as much as you want under the radar while competing in Pro sport. That's why you need a TUE to use it while competing, and that's why a TUE doesn't give you carte blanche to take as much as you want. The results before and after the ban speak for themselves.

Of course this opinion makes me a hater etc. I guess WADA are haters as well.




I have tried to explain this so many times on here it's pathetic.

If you get prescribed Adderall from a doctor.....it's a dosage that is supposed to bring you back to " normal ". If you use 3 X the dosage and do super human stuff with it....guess what? You're breaking more then just rules , you're cheating.

I've said this before too and got slammed for it....but fuck it , I'll say it again. Look at how James was performing before he got caught. Then compare that to how he performed after he came back , and his dosages were monitored.

There is a huge fucking difference. The answer is right there in front of your face on weather he was using it as a cheater drug or not. Also the fact , that not one family member , team member , even his freaking doctor.....told him it's the most abused drug in sports today? I mean Jesus Christ...really?

I dig the shit out of James and his skill , but damn it man.....how could you even think he didn't have an edge?

As far as that goes......it aint just James! I know damn well other's have used and abused drugs just like that or even stronger. James just happened to be the one who got busted.....but it would be stupid to think he was the only one using something to get an advantage.

It's a professional sport.....it's what happens when money is on the line.
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A lot of experts believe ADHD isn't a real disorder. More so "symptoms" of something else physiologically. There's lots of evidence behind adderall being virtually the...
A lot of experts believe ADHD isn't a real disorder. More so "symptoms" of something else physiologically. There's lots of evidence behind adderall being virtually the same as crystal meth, but I'm too lazy to cite it. Basically a multi billion dollar pharmaceutical business. Research it for yourself.
Some people do say that , and I disagree. As myself have gone through all the ADHD stuff as far back as I can remember. I used many medication for it when I was younger , and hated the way they made me feel. Slowed me down enough to make me feel I was running in molasses. Sick to my stomach and just felt weird. My brain was all there , but I didn't have the energy levels I was used to. I hated taking them....so I stopped.

If people don't think it's real....take someone who says that , have them slam a pot of coffee and be able to take a nap a 1/2 hour later. Because I can. I have to watch how much coffee I drink , because it will literally make me want to lie down.

As far as James goes.....I'm 100% behind him on taking the correct dosage if he needs it. If he has it ( ADHD ) it would slow him down.....not speed him up.
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So is this why Alessi's holeshot's dropped off? I'm just a asshole for suggesting such a thing?
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People need what they need, but You can get a TUE for anything. It's a total joke in the real world. Even Schedule III drugs not...
People need what they need, but You can get a TUE for anything. It's a total joke in the real world.
Even Schedule III drugs not legal for sale or prescription in the USA if they are legal elsewhere.

You don't even need a real doctor if you know where to look to get a script.

Who will, if you need it, then refer you to a real doctor(For a Price) to give you the TUE paperwork, and if Bloodwork is needed, that is easily manipulated as well, making the bloodwork 100% Legit(at that time) also.

Hell, that's why their client list is for high end doctors, athletes, trainers, celebrities, rappers, you name it..

It's like the wild west of Tijuana pharma. Tell the pharmacist/doc what you need, you get a "Script" Even for non FDA approved drugs. LOLZ.

Any good doctor can have you glowing green like a superfund site. All legit covered with a TUE.



Matt414 wrote:
Really? You can get a TUE for anything? How long have you been in the out of comp testing pool? How many times have you applied...
Really? You can get a TUE for anything? How long have you been in the out of comp testing pool? How many times have you applied for a TUE, do you know the process? How would I go about getting one for testosterone, what about for IGF1?
Hey, he's a know-it-all, and he's on a roll...

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Matt414 wrote:
Really? You can get a TUE for anything? How long have you been in the out of comp testing pool? How many times have you applied...
Really? You can get a TUE for anything? How long have you been in the out of comp testing pool? How many times have you applied for a TUE, do you know the process? How would I go about getting one for testosterone, what about for IGF1?
In a short time if you can afford it, you could test to have less test in your blood than a 6 year old girl on a legit blood panel.
Does that answer your question on how to get a TUE?

A TUE for IGF could be gotten with a creative doc I suppose. Afterall, plenty of non diabetics use mass amounts of insulin so there is that also. Insulin is banned just the same. But if a doc says you're diabetic....

Plus There is only 1 real brand of IGF1 that ai know of. And it's expensive as fuck. Anyrhing else is UGL or totally bunk or underdosed or could be something else entirely. Nobody knows unless you test your stuff..

And IGF for the most part isn't worth the sides vs cost vs effective dose for performance use. IGF is debatable if its even worth taking. Insulin on the other hand but its crazy dangerous if you arent careful.

Kinda Sounds like you're looking for a source. You can find that on your own.




3/31/2017 5:06am
Everyone is different but I can't stand to ride moto when I am on adderall. I take 10mg a day and its terrible. I wouldn't wish ADHD or ADHD symptoms on anyone. I want the least amount of big pharma drugs in me but I was unable to find anything else to make me feel normal. Its also a complete pain in the ass to get a prescription.
3/31/2017 5:07am
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I'm prescribed Adderall, I have ADHD and PTSD (service connected) I will say that it helps me immensely socially, professionally and dealing with day to day...
I'm prescribed Adderall, I have ADHD and PTSD (service connected)
I will say that it helps me immensely socially, professionally and dealing with day to day stress. My daily dose is light and I've convinced my doctors that i want off it. They have been slowly decreasing my dosage.
When I'm riding I don't feel it's an unfair advantage since I take it every day. It's just a part of my life.
I am very interested to know if some professional athletes only take it before competition and not on a daily basis. This is where I feel it would give them a advantage.
My friend was discharged because of ptsd, its no joke. He was taking 5 pills a day that the VA prescribed. He said it made him feel trapped in his mind, so one day he went out and bought a bag of pot to see what it would do. He smoked it everyday for a year and said he feels normal. Hr doesn't smoke it anymore, he feels it was a bridge back and now feels "normal ".

I don't condone pot use so I'm not really not sure why I told that story, but it's something to think about for guys with PTSD who are taking a bunch of prescription pills.
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Like many others who have commented in here, I have taken Adderall for years, dating back to the middle of my Junior year in high school. It's unfortunate that some people can be so narrow minded about the drug, because it does wonderful things for those who genuinely need it. For those saying there is no physiological explanation for the use of such medication, I would encourage you to look up the role of the reticular activating system in the human brain, maybe it will provide some insight into the issue that you weren't previously aware of. I'm not saying that is the 100%, conclusive and definitive explanation and everyone who says otherwise is an idiot, but it's worth reading if you care about this topic and don't know what it is. Now, all of this is not to say that Adderall should be used by everyone or that it can't be abused, just that it can have real, tangible benefits for someone like myself and the other's in this thread.

More to the point, though, I've always been confused - based on my experiences with Adderall while actively involved in athletics - at how it is beneficial for athletic performance within a sport places so much strain on an athlete's physical conditioning. On just a basic level, Adderall increases heart rate, so I've always wondered how that could be a good thing for motocross given how much focus is placed on controlling heart rate during long motos. For a sport like baseball, it makes perfect sense, but it's intriguing to me how it's helpful to those who don't need it within a sport which places a high demand on aerobic conditioning and maintenance throughout performance.
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cd0583 wrote:
A lot of experts believe ADHD isn't a real disorder. More so "symptoms" of something else physiologically. There's lots of evidence behind adderall being virtually the...
A lot of experts believe ADHD isn't a real disorder. More so "symptoms" of something else physiologically. There's lots of evidence behind adderall being virtually the same as crystal meth, but I'm too lazy to cite it. Basically a multi billion dollar pharmaceutical business. Research it for yourself.
Of course its in your head??? MY grandfather was slow as molasses at everything he did....I could not comprehend that mans patients and focus on anything......He could literally stare at something for 20 minutes before starting in on it.

I could not work around that guy, and he thought I was to loud and to quick to temper, called me the tazmanian devil.. That's when I realized that he could no more speed up to my level any more than I could slow down.

Yes, I believe its in your head, the more I tell myself to focus, the more distracted I get, kind of like telling yourself not to think of something.....
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FARANG wrote:
We don't really know how long he was taking it, so I don't see how we can check his results "before". We know how he was...
We don't really know how long he was taking it, so I don't see how we can check his results "before".

We know how he was while taking unlimited amounts under the radar (super focused ride at Toronto 2014 just before the positive test) and we know his results after being limited to only a suitable medicinal amount after getting caught (schoolboy errors, mistakes since the comeback from his ban etc.)

People on here get really upset if you suggest he was cheating. But that's exactly what it was, and as stated above WADA clearly concluded that "His failure to do so was not simply a failure of paperwork", hence the ban.

There's a big difference between taking enough to function normally in everyday life (TUE) and taking as much as you want under the radar while competing in Pro sport. That's why you need a TUE to use it while competing, and that's why a TUE doesn't give you carte blanche to take as much as you want. The results before and after the ban speak for themselves.

Of course this opinion makes me a hater etc. I guess WADA are haters as well.




The FIM decision says that he began taking Adderall after being prescribed it in 2012. There's no evidence of him using it prior, so that sounds reasonable.

It wasn't an issue of him taking "unlimited amounts" and now only taking therapeutic amounts. It was simply that he didn't file the TUE paperwork. Your post implies that he was buying and using Adderall illegally, of which there is no evidence. He had a lawful prescription, and by all accounts was using it properly other than formally informing the sanctioning body of his prescription.

Obviously that's on him, and he should have suffered the consequence, but it isn't like he was out buying illegal drugs or using them improperly.
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FARANG wrote:
We don't really know how long he was taking it, so I don't see how we can check his results "before". We know how he was...
We don't really know how long he was taking it, so I don't see how we can check his results "before".

We know how he was while taking unlimited amounts under the radar (super focused ride at Toronto 2014 just before the positive test) and we know his results after being limited to only a suitable medicinal amount after getting caught (schoolboy errors, mistakes since the comeback from his ban etc.)

People on here get really upset if you suggest he was cheating. But that's exactly what it was, and as stated above WADA clearly concluded that "His failure to do so was not simply a failure of paperwork", hence the ban.

There's a big difference between taking enough to function normally in everyday life (TUE) and taking as much as you want under the radar while competing in Pro sport. That's why you need a TUE to use it while competing, and that's why a TUE doesn't give you carte blanche to take as much as you want. The results before and after the ban speak for themselves.

Of course this opinion makes me a hater etc. I guess WADA are haters as well.




jeffro503 wrote:
I have tried to explain this so many times on here it's pathetic. If you get prescribed Adderall from a doctor.....it's a dosage that is supposed...
I have tried to explain this so many times on here it's pathetic.

If you get prescribed Adderall from a doctor.....it's a dosage that is supposed to bring you back to " normal ". If you use 3 X the dosage and do super human stuff with it....guess what? You're breaking more then just rules , you're cheating.

I've said this before too and got slammed for it....but fuck it , I'll say it again. Look at how James was performing before he got caught. Then compare that to how he performed after he came back , and his dosages were monitored.

There is a huge fucking difference. The answer is right there in front of your face on weather he was using it as a cheater drug or not. Also the fact , that not one family member , team member , even his freaking doctor.....told him it's the most abused drug in sports today? I mean Jesus Christ...really?

I dig the shit out of James and his skill , but damn it man.....how could you even think he didn't have an edge?

As far as that goes......it aint just James! I know damn well other's have used and abused drugs just like that or even stronger. James just happened to be the one who got busted.....but it would be stupid to think he was the only one using something to get an advantage.

It's a professional sport.....it's what happens when money is on the line.
jeffro, Stewart wasn't penalized because of the level of drug in his system, only that it WAS in his system. It wasn't because he was over some arbitrary "therapeutic" level.

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jeffro, Stewart wasn't penalized because of the level of drug in his system, only that it WAS in his system. It wasn't because he was over...
jeffro, Stewart wasn't penalized because of the level of drug in his system, only that it WAS in his system. It wasn't because he was over some arbitrary "therapeutic" level.

I don't think we really know what amount was in his system because he never had a TUE to begin with. To say he wasn't over some "arbitrary" level is purely speculation.

You can find a doctor to give you a prescription for anything. Plenty of corrupt/questionable doctors with the ability to write a prescription for you. Just because he had a prescription pretty much means squat. Had he applied for the TUE it would have at least been scrutinized much more. Just getting a prescription from a doctor does not automatically qualify you for a TUE.
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Nearly one in 10 Major League Baseball players are granted a therapeutic exemption to use Adderall or other ADHD medications — a rate TWICE as high as the general population. ( credit cbssports.com & usatoday.com )
As stupid as it sounds, it might be nice to try sometime. College kids have been using Adderall to assist when studying for years.......
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FARANG wrote:
We don't really know how long he was taking it, so I don't see how we can check his results "before". We know how he was...
We don't really know how long he was taking it, so I don't see how we can check his results "before".

We know how he was while taking unlimited amounts under the radar (super focused ride at Toronto 2014 just before the positive test) and we know his results after being limited to only a suitable medicinal amount after getting caught (schoolboy errors, mistakes since the comeback from his ban etc.)

People on here get really upset if you suggest he was cheating. But that's exactly what it was, and as stated above WADA clearly concluded that "His failure to do so was not simply a failure of paperwork", hence the ban.

There's a big difference between taking enough to function normally in everyday life (TUE) and taking as much as you want under the radar while competing in Pro sport. That's why you need a TUE to use it while competing, and that's why a TUE doesn't give you carte blanche to take as much as you want. The results before and after the ban speak for themselves.

Of course this opinion makes me a hater etc. I guess WADA are haters as well.




jeffro503 wrote:
I have tried to explain this so many times on here it's pathetic. If you get prescribed Adderall from a doctor.....it's a dosage that is supposed...
I have tried to explain this so many times on here it's pathetic.

If you get prescribed Adderall from a doctor.....it's a dosage that is supposed to bring you back to " normal ". If you use 3 X the dosage and do super human stuff with it....guess what? You're breaking more then just rules , you're cheating.

I've said this before too and got slammed for it....but fuck it , I'll say it again. Look at how James was performing before he got caught. Then compare that to how he performed after he came back , and his dosages were monitored.

There is a huge fucking difference. The answer is right there in front of your face on weather he was using it as a cheater drug or not. Also the fact , that not one family member , team member , even his freaking doctor.....told him it's the most abused drug in sports today? I mean Jesus Christ...really?

I dig the shit out of James and his skill , but damn it man.....how could you even think he didn't have an edge?

As far as that goes......it aint just James! I know damn well other's have used and abused drugs just like that or even stronger. James just happened to be the one who got busted.....but it would be stupid to think he was the only one using something to get an advantage.

It's a professional sport.....it's what happens when money is on the line.
I agree with you guys on this.
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jeffro, Stewart wasn't penalized because of the level of drug in his system, only that it WAS in his system. It wasn't because he was over...
jeffro, Stewart wasn't penalized because of the level of drug in his system, only that it WAS in his system. It wasn't because he was over some arbitrary "therapeutic" level.

TXDirt wrote:
I don't think we really know what amount was in his system because he never had a TUE to begin with. To say he wasn't over...
I don't think we really know what amount was in his system because he never had a TUE to begin with. To say he wasn't over some "arbitrary" level is purely speculation.

You can find a doctor to give you a prescription for anything. Plenty of corrupt/questionable doctors with the ability to write a prescription for you. Just because he had a prescription pretty much means squat. Had he applied for the TUE it would have at least been scrutinized much more. Just getting a prescription from a doctor does not automatically qualify you for a TUE.
We don't know, because that isn't what he was penalized for. There is no mention of the level in the documents, only that it was present. Anything stating that he was overusing and now underperforms because he is using a "normal" dosage is far more speculative......
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Aderall is a pill form of meth. No reason to take that stuff, especially a pro athlete, unless you're trying for an advantage. The stuff is...
Aderall is a pill form of meth. No reason to take that stuff, especially a pro athlete, unless you're trying for an advantage. The stuff is no joke. I can't believe it's still prescribed. ADD my arse...
At this point in your life I'm sure you realize that only you and Jesus were cast in Gods likeness. For the rest of people on earth most aren't as fortunate and not made as perfect as you. I realize it's must be hard to be humble when you're perfect. Try to have pity and the person that needs help mentally or physically just to start out at zero. If you ever knew a person with a true case of ADHD you would see their life can be a challange where perfect people like yourself wouldn't give the same situation a second thought
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3/31/2017 7:51am Edited Date/Time 3/31/2017 7:55am
APLMAN99 wrote:
jeffro, Stewart wasn't penalized because of the level of drug in his system, only that it WAS in his system. It wasn't because he was over...
jeffro, Stewart wasn't penalized because of the level of drug in his system, only that it WAS in his system. It wasn't because he was over some arbitrary "therapeutic" level.

TXDirt wrote:
I don't think we really know what amount was in his system because he never had a TUE to begin with. To say he wasn't over...
I don't think we really know what amount was in his system because he never had a TUE to begin with. To say he wasn't over some "arbitrary" level is purely speculation.

You can find a doctor to give you a prescription for anything. Plenty of corrupt/questionable doctors with the ability to write a prescription for you. Just because he had a prescription pretty much means squat. Had he applied for the TUE it would have at least been scrutinized much more. Just getting a prescription from a doctor does not automatically qualify you for a TUE.
APLMAN99 wrote:
We don't know, because that isn't what he was penalized for. There is no mention of the level in the documents, only that it was present...
We don't know, because that isn't what he was penalized for. There is no mention of the level in the documents, only that it was present. Anything stating that he was overusing and now underperforms because he is using a "normal" dosage is far more speculative......
We will just agree to disagree. I think it's far more speculative to assume he was using "normal" quantities. I think part of this can be attributed to his failure to secure a TUE to begin with. So he failed to get a TUE but we will just have to assume he was using exactly and only the medically prescribed amount. Mind you this is a drug that is abused in sports competitions by high level athletes. But certainly the so called "fastest man on the planet" would not do that. He only takes the exact prescribed amount. No more. No less. This is the same James Stewart that was arrested for impersonating a police officer in Florida. So we will just assume that he has no problem doing that, but when it comes to his Aderall medicine, no way no how, would he ever abuse that. Straight and narrow only when it comes to Adderall.
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FARANG wrote:
We don't really know how long he was taking it, so I don't see how we can check his results "before". We know how he was...
We don't really know how long he was taking it, so I don't see how we can check his results "before".

We know how he was while taking unlimited amounts under the radar (super focused ride at Toronto 2014 just before the positive test) and we know his results after being limited to only a suitable medicinal amount after getting caught (schoolboy errors, mistakes since the comeback from his ban etc.)

People on here get really upset if you suggest he was cheating. But that's exactly what it was, and as stated above WADA clearly concluded that "His failure to do so was not simply a failure of paperwork", hence the ban.

There's a big difference between taking enough to function normally in everyday life (TUE) and taking as much as you want under the radar while competing in Pro sport. That's why you need a TUE to use it while competing, and that's why a TUE doesn't give you carte blanche to take as much as you want. The results before and after the ban speak for themselves.

Of course this opinion makes me a hater etc. I guess WADA are haters as well.




jeffro503 wrote:
I have tried to explain this so many times on here it's pathetic. If you get prescribed Adderall from a doctor.....it's a dosage that is supposed...
I have tried to explain this so many times on here it's pathetic.

If you get prescribed Adderall from a doctor.....it's a dosage that is supposed to bring you back to " normal ". If you use 3 X the dosage and do super human stuff with it....guess what? You're breaking more then just rules , you're cheating.

I've said this before too and got slammed for it....but fuck it , I'll say it again. Look at how James was performing before he got caught. Then compare that to how he performed after he came back , and his dosages were monitored.

There is a huge fucking difference. The answer is right there in front of your face on weather he was using it as a cheater drug or not. Also the fact , that not one family member , team member , even his freaking doctor.....told him it's the most abused drug in sports today? I mean Jesus Christ...really?

I dig the shit out of James and his skill , but damn it man.....how could you even think he didn't have an edge?

As far as that goes......it aint just James! I know damn well other's have used and abused drugs just like that or even stronger. James just happened to be the one who got busted.....but it would be stupid to think he was the only one using something to get an advantage.

It's a professional sport.....it's what happens when money is on the line.
APLMAN99 wrote:
jeffro, Stewart wasn't penalized because of the level of drug in his system, only that it WAS in his system. It wasn't because he was over...
jeffro, Stewart wasn't penalized because of the level of drug in his system, only that it WAS in his system. It wasn't because he was over some arbitrary "therapeutic" level.

He didn't fail for Adderral in his system. He failed for Amphetamines. it was Stewart who claimed it was Adderral.
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Personally, I feel that there is a select group of individuals who chime in here on Vital that could use Adderall to help with their posting ability, but I don't want to name names.Laughing Laughing Woohoo Woohoo Pinch
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I was diagnosed with ADD about 8yrs ago, I tried three or four different drugs and didn't like the way any of them made me feel so I quit taking them and haven't touched them in years. I think one was Adderall, another was vyvanse. I don't remember the side effects of Adderall on me but vyvanse made me feel superhuman. Like I constantly felt like I wanted to run all the time, I couldn't move enough to suit myself when I was on it. I just wanted to do physical activity so bad it was like sex to me honestly. Running just felt good. No doubt being on that stuff could make a mid-pack outta shape B rider run A speed for a while. Another drug (don't remember the name) made me very angry, I'm very short tempered anyway and that stuff made it 10x worse. I struggle at work and just doing daily activities in terms of getting bored and day dreaming but I manage it best I can w/o taking pills.
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I'm a college student with Asperger Syndrome, and I need Adderall to function normally.

However, it also dehydrates me and makes me feel a little shaky. If I'm going to ride moto or MTB, I leave the Adderall at home.
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I've had a script for 7 years. Played college baseball and minor league with a TUE. It put ME on a level playing field. I had a 2.0 gpa my whole life. Had all the "talent" in baseball but always was considered the "headcase" until the adderall made me think like everyone else. That being said it made me worse when playing basketball and football recreationally. And I know two people who I played with that had heart attacks while on it during conditioning. Both lived. But it's playing with fire in an endurance sport like motocross. I know it would help any racer for a short period though. And willing to bet we watch guys on it every Saturday night
3/31/2017 9:09am
I have a prescription for adderall that I use when I'm falling asleep behind the wheel on road trips. It's much better than drinking lots of caffeine and having to pee every two hours.

I have tried riding on addy a few times and it makes me a beast. If I was getting paid to ride I would probably do a small 5mg dose before a race. Like with everything, moderation is key. If you take it every day it will just make you feel normal. Save it for when you need a little extra boost. If you have low self control you should obviously stay away from any habit forming drugs.
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3/31/2017 9:34am
Robgvx wrote:
He didn't fail for Adderral in his system. He failed for Amphetamines. it was Stewart who claimed it was Adderral.
Adderall is a brand name not a drug compound.

Good grief.
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3/31/2017 9:49am Edited Date/Time 3/31/2017 9:52am
Matt414 wrote:
Really? You can get a TUE for anything? How long have you been in the out of comp testing pool? How many times have you applied...
Really? You can get a TUE for anything? How long have you been in the out of comp testing pool? How many times have you applied for a TUE, do you know the process? How would I go about getting one for testosterone, what about for IGF1?
Skidaddle wrote:
In a short time if you can afford it, you could test to have less test in your blood than a 6 year old girl on...
In a short time if you can afford it, you could test to have less test in your blood than a 6 year old girl on a legit blood panel.
Does that answer your question on how to get a TUE?

A TUE for IGF could be gotten with a creative doc I suppose. Afterall, plenty of non diabetics use mass amounts of insulin so there is that also. Insulin is banned just the same. But if a doc says you're diabetic....

Plus There is only 1 real brand of IGF1 that ai know of. And it's expensive as fuck. Anyrhing else is UGL or totally bunk or underdosed or could be something else entirely. Nobody knows unless you test your stuff..

And IGF for the most part isn't worth the sides vs cost vs effective dose for performance use. IGF is debatable if its even worth taking. Insulin on the other hand but its crazy dangerous if you arent careful.

Kinda Sounds like you're looking for a source. You can find that on your own.




One of us has been in the testing pool longer than any athlete in sx/mx. And I know which one it is.

And source? My point is you have zero idea what you're talking about.
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3/31/2017 9:50am
Skidaddle wrote:
People need what they need, but You can get a TUE for anything. It's a total joke in the real world. Even Schedule III drugs not...
People need what they need, but You can get a TUE for anything. It's a total joke in the real world.
Even Schedule III drugs not legal for sale or prescription in the USA if they are legal elsewhere.

You don't even need a real doctor if you know where to look to get a script.

Who will, if you need it, then refer you to a real doctor(For a Price) to give you the TUE paperwork, and if Bloodwork is needed, that is easily manipulated as well, making the bloodwork 100% Legit(at that time) also.

Hell, that's why their client list is for high end doctors, athletes, trainers, celebrities, rappers, you name it..

It's like the wild west of Tijuana pharma. Tell the pharmacist/doc what you need, you get a "Script" Even for non FDA approved drugs. LOLZ.

Any good doctor can have you glowing green like a superfund site. All legit covered with a TUE.



Matt414 wrote:
Really? You can get a TUE for anything? How long have you been in the out of comp testing pool? How many times have you applied...
Really? You can get a TUE for anything? How long have you been in the out of comp testing pool? How many times have you applied for a TUE, do you know the process? How would I go about getting one for testosterone, what about for IGF1?
GuyB wrote:
Hey, he's a know-it-all, and he's on a roll...
Reminds me why I don't post here all that often anymore.
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TXDirt wrote:
I don't think we really know what amount was in his system because he never had a TUE to begin with. To say he wasn't over...
I don't think we really know what amount was in his system because he never had a TUE to begin with. To say he wasn't over some "arbitrary" level is purely speculation.

You can find a doctor to give you a prescription for anything. Plenty of corrupt/questionable doctors with the ability to write a prescription for you. Just because he had a prescription pretty much means squat. Had he applied for the TUE it would have at least been scrutinized much more. Just getting a prescription from a doctor does not automatically qualify you for a TUE.
APLMAN99 wrote:
We don't know, because that isn't what he was penalized for. There is no mention of the level in the documents, only that it was present...
We don't know, because that isn't what he was penalized for. There is no mention of the level in the documents, only that it was present. Anything stating that he was overusing and now underperforms because he is using a "normal" dosage is far more speculative......
TXDirt wrote:
We will just agree to disagree. I think it's far more speculative to assume he was using "normal" quantities. I think part of this can be...
We will just agree to disagree. I think it's far more speculative to assume he was using "normal" quantities. I think part of this can be attributed to his failure to secure a TUE to begin with. So he failed to get a TUE but we will just have to assume he was using exactly and only the medically prescribed amount. Mind you this is a drug that is abused in sports competitions by high level athletes. But certainly the so called "fastest man on the planet" would not do that. He only takes the exact prescribed amount. No more. No less. This is the same James Stewart that was arrested for impersonating a police officer in Florida. So we will just assume that he has no problem doing that, but when it comes to his Aderall medicine, no way no how, would he ever abuse that. Straight and narrow only when it comes to Adderall.
There's no evidence of him taking a higher dosage than prescribed, so to assume that is about as speculative as it gets.

Adderall (and similar stimulants) operate on somewhat of a "bell curve" of effectiveness. Everyone's curve is different, but past a certain dosage the positive effects decrease, not increase, and it also increases the potential for adverse health issues. It isn't a case of "25mg gives me focus, so I'll take 50mg and have even sharper focus!" A medical doctor that you are actually working with will try to find that "equilibrium" dosage where you get the maximum positive result and anything more would probably have a negative effect.

Obviously you're hung up on Stewart's character and believe that his stupid act with the police lights make him guilty of anything that could be imagined. That's your right, of course, but it doesn't really allow for rational thinking about the Adderall issue.

The decision on the appeal was posted earlier in the thread. It's pretty straight forward, and shows exactly what he was penalized for. It also talks about MXSports' reasoning for allowing him to continue to compete, etc.

It's pretty clear that Stewart and his reps were far too casual when signing things like the competition licenses. To be honest, we all likely do similar things all the time when it comes to signing documents. I certainly can't say that I've read every line of everything I've signed over the years, and based on the "AMA" policy at the time, he wouldn't have even needed a TUE (that's according to the CAS document itself). Unfortunately for him, he didn't pay attention to the details enough to understand how seriously different that the FIM/WADA policy was from the AMA policy. The difference is even noted specifically for clarity in the appeal ruling.

Stewart got the punishment he deserved for not following the policy he signed an acknowledgment for. That's definitely on him. But there is zero evidence that he committed any illegal acts concerning his Adderall use, nor that he used any dosages that he wasn't prescribed.
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Matt414 wrote:
Really? You can get a TUE for anything? How long have you been in the out of comp testing pool? How many times have you applied...
Really? You can get a TUE for anything? How long have you been in the out of comp testing pool? How many times have you applied for a TUE, do you know the process? How would I go about getting one for testosterone, what about for IGF1?
GuyB wrote:
Hey, he's a know-it-all, and he's on a roll...
Matt414 wrote:
Reminds me why I don't post here all that often anymore.
Matt, that's just premix junky/mortgagepaul under one of his many aliases. He's got a whole lot of Rich Cain in him.......

You racing any of our tiny little hills up here this year?

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