Better Racing thru IV's & Caffeine ?

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Motocross is a physically demanding sport. At a professional level, athletes are on par physically with any athlete in the world.

But in Motocross Competition, some can push harder than others, making racing at times boring.

Would IVs make some athletes able to push harder and therefore increase the entertainment factor of MX Racing?


The use of any prohibited substance by an athlete for medical reasons is possible by virtue of a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE)

The point of this post is could a Motocross rider get a Therapeutic Use Exemption and use IV’s to perform better?

Up until 2004 caffeine was on the WADA prohibited substances list.

What would that do to your Energy Drink Sponsors if WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) decided to re-implement the Caffeine Ban?

How would MX Sports then feel about belonging to WADA ?


WADA is currently monitoring the usage of caffeine by athletes, as it has been suggested that since it was removed from the prohibited list, its use has dramatically increased. If this is the case, WADA must decide whether to reinstate the ban and if the permitted threshold should be lowered. Of course the other option is to put a complete ban on the use of caffeine.

Could MX Sports and the FIM come up their own Banned Substance List Program ? The NFL has its own NFL’s banned substance list as an example.

IVs allow the body to absorb fluids and other nutrients faster. If you could get an IV between Motos?

The real issue with IV’s seems to be that an IV could mask urine test results (by dilution) or by administering prohibited substances in a way that will more quickly be cleared from the body in order to beat an anti-doping test.


The evolution of the athlete is in many ways directly related to the evolution of medicine.

Starting around 2009, once-devastating injuries that typically took 12-18 months to heal saw recovery time cut in half to around 6-12 months for some.

In the years since, we have marveled at the super-human recoveries of many athletes who had sustained serious injuries. Even on a week-to-week basis, the ability to bounce back and be ready to play has improved directly with advancements in medicine.

IV's could for professional athletes extend their careers, increase recovery plus healing time, and make them feel extraordinarily super-human. Legally.

The use of any prohibited substance by an athlete for medical reasons is possible by virtue of a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE)

ATHLETE INTRAVENOUS INFUSIONS (IV) ARE PROHIBITED UNDER THE WADA PROHIBITED LIST

The World Anti- Doping Agency Prohibited List (WADA Prohibited List), includes all substances and methods that are prohibited in sport, including substances and methods that are prohibited both in-competition only, as well as those that are prohibited at all times.

Below is important information about the IV rule, why IVs are prohibited, and how athletes can best protect their health and safety.

WHAT’S THE IV RULE?

• All IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL (~3.4 tablespoons) per 6 hour period are prohibited at all times, both in-and out-of-competition, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations, without an approved Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE).

• If it is a prohibited substance that is administered intravenously or via injection, a TUE is necessary for this substance regardless of whether the infusion or injection is less than 50mL.

• Infusions or injections are permitted if the infused/injected substance is not on the Prohibited List, and the volume of fluid administered does not exceed 50 mL per 6-hour period.

WHY THE IV RULE?

• To protect clean sport and athlete health and safety. It is a fact that IVs can be used to change blood test results (such as hematocrit where EPO or blood doping is being used), mask urine test results (by dilution) or by administering prohibited substances in a way that will more quickly be cleared from the body in order to beat an anti-doping test.

Athletic Performance Enhancement

Competitive athletes push their bodies to the limit, consuming large amounts of vital nutrients as a normal part of metabolism.

Metabolism converts carbohydrates, fats, and proteins found in food into energy through a complex series of chemical reactions. These reactions are catalyzed by enzymes. Metabolic enzymes require vitamin and mineral cofactors. These include:

• Vitamin C
• B-complex
• Magnesium
• Zinc

Intravenous Vitamin Therapy and Athletes IV nutrient therapy helps athletes to:

• Boost performance and increase strength
• Reduce fatigue and shorten recovery time

Which types of intravenous nutrient therapy are best for enhancing athletic performance? Strictly speaking, “IV vitamin therapy,” not only vitamins, but also minerals and other nutrients – such as amino acids and other vitally important organic molecules. The intravenous nutrient therapies most helpful for athletic performance enhancement:

• Myers’ Cocktail

Myers’ Cocktail is a powerful blend of vitamins and minerals designed for IV use. It was originally developed in the 1970s by Dr. John Myers, a Maryland physician. Since then, doctors all over the world have used Myers’ Cocktail to help treat a broad spectrum of health conditions. While the exact ingredients can vary depending on needs of the patient, the formula usually contains:

• Magnesium
• Calcium
• Vitamin B-12
• Vitamin B-6
• Panthenol (B5)
• B-Complex
• Vitamin C

Caffeine

Caffeine has already been known for its stimulating effects on the human body by ancient civilizations who consumed it from natural sources like tea, coffee, cacao beans & cola nuts.

One 250ml can of Red Bull Energy Drink contains 80mg of caffeine.

Caffeine

Caffeine is a naturally occurring substance, found in over 60 different plants and is a stimulant and mild diuretic. It is the most commonly used drug in the world as it is found in coffee, tea, chocolate (and chocolate based drinks) and many carbonated and energy drinks.

Up until 2004 caffeine was on the prohibited substances list, with athletes being limited to a urine level below 12 micrograms per millilitre. This is equivalent to 6-8 cups of coffee (600-800mg). Performance enhancing effects have since been proven at a much lower intake, between 2-4 cups of coffee (200-400mg).

WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) are currently monitoring the usage of caffeine by athletes, as it has been suggested that since it was removed from the prohibited list, its use has dramatically increased. If this is the case, WADA must decide whether to reinstate the ban and if the permitted threshold should be lowered. Of course the other option is to put a complete ban on the use of caffeine, this would however be impossible due to caffeine staying in the system up to 48 hours. Therefore an athlete would not be able to have a cup of coffee or an energy drink within 48 hours of a competition. Random drug testing makes this even less feasible.

Effects on Performance

During periods of 30-120 minutes caffeine has been shown to produce the following benefits:

• Improved muscle contractibility
• Increased time to exhaustion
• Improved concentration
• Enhanced alertness
• Reduced fatigue

In the short-term (under 30 minutes) caffeine can have a detrimental effect on some aspects of performance, for example fine motor control and technique due to over-arousal.

Side-Effects of Caffeine

• Abdominal pain
• Diarrhea
• Dehydration
• Restlessness, anxiety & irritability
• Headaches
• High blood pressure
• Interference with recovery and sleep patterns
• Palpitations
• Increased muscle tension




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12/29/2016 1:35pm
IVs are already being used
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12/29/2016 1:38pm
Even through all the WADA/USADA issues, you still end up with situation of the haves and have-nots.
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12/29/2016 1:39pm
Where did you get those numbers from? If you grab a stop watch and actually time when the players are actually being active during a 4 hour football game it is actually like an hour or less. I feel football is a far cry from being 3rd on the physically demanding sports list...
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I find it funny that moto ranks higher on strength than tennis or baseball. And Gymnastics barely above. I doubt anyone racing moto is stronger than a top gymnast. Drugged up or not.

Considering some womens tennis players have arms bigger than Austin Forkners legs, and have legs bigger than his waist kinda makes that grid a bit off.

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12/29/2016 1:58pm Edited Date/Time 12/29/2016 2:17pm


The Fim and AMA belong to WADA making IV's currently Illegal without a TUE.

If Riders could use IVs perhaps some of them could step up and be more competitive ?

And where would MX Sports and FELD stand with WADA if WADA decided to reimpose the Caffeine ban ?

That was all. Flame Away ! Evil
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12/29/2016 1:59pm
An IV isn't really gonna help anyone during heat 1 of Anaheim 1 when its 60 Degrees unless the guy is sick and dehydrated or something.

Drugs however, sure. And thats why TUEs are bullshit and should be banned because how much is a therapeutic dose? And who can argue a doctor? Especially one on the payroll?

Anyone with money can get a TUE from almost any doctor for anything.

Google Search TUE ABUSE




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12/29/2016 2:03pm
Too much caffeine = arm pump, erratic breathing patterns, forced errors.. opposite of THC (for me)
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12/29/2016 2:05pm
I saw that Football was above MX on endurance and stopped reading.
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12/29/2016 2:17pm
JB 19 wrote:
I saw that Football was above MX on endurance and stopped reading.
It's actually rated below MX.

What's a little odd about the chart is that nearly all of the MX numbers are "even", ending in .00

Very few of the other sports have more than one "even" number.....

What's the source of the chart?
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12/29/2016 2:17pm
Surprised it hasn't been mentioned yet, since the OP has brought up the IV issue in a couple threads, but didn't
JS7 have a private nurse at the outdoor races a few years ago, who was providing this service?
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12/29/2016 2:17pm
JB 19 wrote:
I saw that Football was above MX on endurance and stopped reading.
Huh?
Football 5.38
Moto 6.00

I guess in the list it was above. However for me, Football is way more taxing than moto.

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12/29/2016 2:29pm
JB 19 wrote:
I saw that Football was above MX on endurance and stopped reading.
Skidaddle wrote:
Huh? Football 5.38 Moto 6.00 I guess in the list it was above. However for me, Football is way more taxing than moto. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/12/29/166093/s1200_list.jpg[/img]
Huh?
Football 5.38
Moto 6.00

I guess in the list it was above. However for me, Football is way more taxing than moto.

My bad.
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12/29/2016 2:40pm
I've played Basketball at a high level and raced MX. Racing is WAY more taxing. It's not even close.
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12/29/2016 3:30pm
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
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Bodieg3 wrote:
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than...
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
My knees are beyond fucked but that'd be no problem....
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So we gonna start inspecting racers for needle marks?
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Where did you get those numbers from? If you grab a stop watch and actually time when the players are actually being active during a 4...
Where did you get those numbers from? If you grab a stop watch and actually time when the players are actually being active during a 4 hour football game it is actually like an hour or less. I feel football is a far cry from being 3rd on the physically demanding sports list...
Please, god, not this argument.
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12/29/2016 4:47pm
Bodieg3 wrote:
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than...
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
Football players sprint 100 yards then sit down and get oxygen while special teams and the other side of the ball plays.
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12/29/2016 5:01pm
Football players sprint 100 yards then sit down and get oxygen while special teams and the other side of the ball plays.
Not to mention...in American football there's a 40 second play clock between plays...plus time in the huddle.
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12/29/2016 5:13pm
Intravenous drips in between motos, what could possibly go wrong???
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Haha....I like the nerve column.
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Caffeine is a the bomb.com for hare scrambles and Enduro racing... At least for me. Some of the other people I race with do better with thc (lol) but caffeine is where it's at for this old fat guy. Delays exhaustion, keeps me sharp and focused. One of my college roommates who did Century races turned me on to the benefits of caffeine for any activity over 30 minutes.
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12/29/2016 6:39pm
I like pop a couple Viagra before a moto. It opens the blood vessels allowing more oxygen uptake by the muscles and a larger volume of lactic acid is able to be removed at a faster pace. Gives new meaning to the term "air boner"!
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12/29/2016 7:20pm Edited Date/Time 12/29/2016 7:25pm
slipdog wrote:
I like pop a couple Viagra before a moto. It opens the blood vessels allowing more oxygen uptake by the muscles and a larger volume of...
I like pop a couple Viagra before a moto. It opens the blood vessels allowing more oxygen uptake by the muscles and a larger volume of lactic acid is able to be removed at a faster pace. Gives new meaning to the term "air boner"!
Funny, but that was the initial intention of Viagra (help increase blood flow). Viagra is also used in newborns.
Additionally, Cialis is currently being used (not exclusively) for pulmonary hypertension, regardless of gender.
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slipdog wrote:
I like pop a couple Viagra before a moto. It opens the blood vessels allowing more oxygen uptake by the muscles and a larger volume of...
I like pop a couple Viagra before a moto. It opens the blood vessels allowing more oxygen uptake by the muscles and a larger volume of lactic acid is able to be removed at a faster pace. Gives new meaning to the term "air boner"!
kzizok wrote:
Funny, but that was the initial intention of Viagra (help increase blood flow). Viagra is also used in newborns. Additionally, Cialis is currently being used (not...
Funny, but that was the initial intention of Viagra (help increase blood flow). Viagra is also used in newborns.
Additionally, Cialis is currently being used (not exclusively) for pulmonary hypertension, regardless of gender.
I seem to remember a discussion somewhere about it's use for motocross in small doses. May have even been Steve Cox, but I could be wrong.
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12/29/2016 9:41pm
kzizok wrote:
Funny, but that was the initial intention of Viagra (help increase blood flow). Viagra is also used in newborns. Additionally, Cialis is currently being used (not...
Funny, but that was the initial intention of Viagra (help increase blood flow). Viagra is also used in newborns.
Additionally, Cialis is currently being used (not exclusively) for pulmonary hypertension, regardless of gender.
Cialis is also given to me as an anti depressant
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12/29/2016 11:11pm
Skidaddle wrote:
I find it funny that moto ranks higher on strength than tennis or baseball. And Gymnastics barely above. I doubt anyone racing moto is stronger than...
I find it funny that moto ranks higher on strength than tennis or baseball. And Gymnastics barely above. I doubt anyone racing moto is stronger than a top gymnast. Drugged up or not.

Considering some womens tennis players have arms bigger than Austin Forkners legs, and have legs bigger than his waist kinda makes that grid a bit off.

Don't confuse power with strength. Also, don't confuse size with strength. Gymnasts are powerful, they spend years shortening their amortization phase to enable them to perform the way they do.
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12/29/2016 11:19pm
slipdog wrote:
I like pop a couple Viagra before a moto. It opens the blood vessels allowing more oxygen uptake by the muscles and a larger volume of...
I like pop a couple Viagra before a moto. It opens the blood vessels allowing more oxygen uptake by the muscles and a larger volume of lactic acid is able to be removed at a faster pace. Gives new meaning to the term "air boner"!
kzizok wrote:
Funny, but that was the initial intention of Viagra (help increase blood flow). Viagra is also used in newborns. Additionally, Cialis is currently being used (not...
Funny, but that was the initial intention of Viagra (help increase blood flow). Viagra is also used in newborns.
Additionally, Cialis is currently being used (not exclusively) for pulmonary hypertension, regardless of gender.
slipdog wrote:
I seem to remember a discussion somewhere about it's use for motocross in small doses. May have even been Steve Cox, but I could be wrong.
Does anyone know what happens when you increase the diameter of a pipe while still maintaining the same amount of water flowing through it? This is essentially what you are doing with Viagra and why some old dudes pass out. Viagra doesn't increase performance like you think.
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12/29/2016 11:26pm
Bodieg3 wrote:
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than...
Show me one mx racer that can sprint 100 yards jog to stop walk back n repeat 8-10 times then I'll agree mx is harder than football ! Mx is endurance sport not all out physical effort %100 of time
8-10 times. Of all the football players that line up to do this how many finish all 8-10 within the time limit? Also how much does a football player slow down over the 8-10 sprints? I bet you if you take a well conditioned MX athlete and have them do 8-10 sprints their times won't drop off as much as the football players.

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