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lumpy790 12/23/2016 7:11am
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agn5009 wrote:
It's a cool thing and I'm excited for it. But I'm not sure it's going to change much. They already have 200 A, B and C...
It's a cool thing and I'm excited for it. But I'm not sure it's going to change much. They already have 200 A, B and C classes. The 200 A (125's & 200's) class obviously being the stepping stone class to the XC-2 pro class which features 250 two and four strokes.

Most fast kids coming off of 80's jump into the 200 A or B class for a year. I don't believe that'll change much. I think this class may be filled with some fast "older" guys who just like to go out and rip around, which is totally awesome. I just don't know if it's going to be a stepping class like some think.
Moto Hose YZ125 rider Christopher Vendetti won the 200A class in 2015

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agn5009 12/23/2016 7:16am
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agn5009 wrote:
It's a cool thing and I'm excited for it. But I'm not sure it's going to change much. They already have 200 A, B and C...
It's a cool thing and I'm excited for it. But I'm not sure it's going to change much. They already have 200 A, B and C classes. The 200 A (125's & 200's) class obviously being the stepping stone class to the XC-2 pro class which features 250 two and four strokes.

Most fast kids coming off of 80's jump into the 200 A or B class for a year. I don't believe that'll change much. I think this class may be filled with some fast "older" guys who just like to go out and rip around, which is totally awesome. I just don't know if it's going to be a stepping class like some think.
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Moto Hose YZ125 rider Christopher Vendetti won the 200A class in 2015

He's a fast dude. And I'm sure he will probably jump to XC-2 pro next year?
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Good job DC !!
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DC runs the Outdoors :125 2ts and 250Fs in the 250 class. DC runs GNCC : in the XC2 Pro class, it's 250 2t vs 250Fs...
DC runs the Outdoors :125 2ts and 250Fs in the 250 class.

DC runs GNCC : in the XC2 Pro class, it's 250 2t vs 250Fs.

Which is the most logical, fair class set up? Hint : 250 2ts have not slaughtered the 250 4ts, It's been a pretty even claiming of titles, between the 2 ICEs since equivalency was set. This year, a Honda 4t won.

It's about time DC stood up to the Foxes in the Hen House, and have the classes be set up with equivalency. No percentages, no multiplications, just here's the 250 class, here's the 450 class - have at it.

The 4 strokes, Do Not need any capacity advantage. This continuing BS, needs to be done away with. DC has the reigns in his hands.

He's set up a 125 Pro/am GNCC class - he can set up a US 125 Motocross Championship class.

Anyone who has looked past their belly button, or removed their heads from their arse, will see just how Good / how Big the EMX125 class is. Time for America to get with the program.
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agn5009 wrote:
It's a cool thing and I'm excited for it. But I'm not sure it's going to change much. They already have 200 A, B and C...
It's a cool thing and I'm excited for it. But I'm not sure it's going to change much. They already have 200 A, B and C classes. The 200 A (125's & 200's) class obviously being the stepping stone class to the XC-2 pro class which features 250 two and four strokes.

Most fast kids coming off of 80's jump into the 200 A or B class for a year. I don't believe that'll change much. I think this class may be filled with some fast "older" guys who just like to go out and rip around, which is totally awesome. I just don't know if it's going to be a stepping class like some think.
Agreed, the 0-200 classes have always been around...usually with some pretty fast dudes. It just seems like it is really going to thin out the 0-200A class quite a bit. I guarantee most of the bikes on the line will not be a true 125 either...
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Will be interesting to see how these riders finish in the overall results.

Didn't Shane watts actually win a couple on a 125?
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Bearuno wrote:
See my reference to the 'Foxes in the Hen House'. At some point, a few manufacturers have to have their 'say so', ignored. It works in...
See my reference to the 'Foxes in the Hen House'.

At some point, a few manufacturers have to have their 'say so', ignored.

It works in EMX, why in hell can't it work in the US Nationals? Time to get out from under the thumb of a few manufacturers / bullies, I think.
Exactly Bearuno, Ex-fucken-zacly. Angry
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rosebud441 12/23/2016 12:19pm
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Mostess awesome thing I've heard all day... !!!

Dear Santa all i want for xmas is a full gate of 125 pros

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agn5009 12/23/2016 12:26pm
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Will be interesting to see how these riders finish in the overall results.

Didn't Shane watts actually win a couple on a 125?
Tommy Norton won Blackwater 100 on a kawi 125 back in the early 90s. I don't recall anyone winning since the big bores came into play other than Kalliub Russell winning on a ktm 150. But I'm sure there's 1 or 2 instances that I don't recall.
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outerlimits 12/23/2016 12:37pm
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Maybe we'll start to see some of these sold here

tiddlermx23 12/23/2016 12:51pm
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Kailub won at Ironman on a 150 two years ago. Like I said the 5th post down, it's cool and all but there are already so many classes to race in the afternoon, what is one more line in the row with the other 400 bikes?
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Bolt-On 12/23/2016 2:15pm
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Tommy Norton actually won Blackwater on a KTM 125. It was 1990 prior to his Team Mirage/Ninja Turtle days on the Kawasaki (which his were actually green CR125s at first)
Wattsy won on a KTM 125...
Kailub won on a KTM 150...

Those are the only ones I know of that were definite GNCC overall wins on a 125/150.

As for there "being enough classes", the intent of this class is to 1: give a stepping stone to younger riders ready to transition to the pro ranks without going right into XC2 or all the way to XC1, and also give some older pro guys the chance to still race in the latter part of their careers and have a bunch of fun while doing so. It's not just a second 200-A class, it's a super cool, fun, dual purpose class that will end up being a fan favorite I think.
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kkawboy14 12/23/2016 2:18pm
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For the record: I never asked for a 2 stroke class, I'm ok with progress. Even tho I agree that 4 strokers are what's killin moto, nothing like the sound of 42 250 2 strokes rolling by at full song
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Bolt-On wrote:
Tommy Norton actually won Blackwater on a KTM 125. It was 1990 prior to his Team Mirage/Ninja Turtle days on the Kawasaki (which his were actually...
Tommy Norton actually won Blackwater on a KTM 125. It was 1990 prior to his Team Mirage/Ninja Turtle days on the Kawasaki (which his were actually green CR125s at first)
Wattsy won on a KTM 125...
Kailub won on a KTM 150...

Those are the only ones I know of that were definite GNCC overall wins on a 125/150.

As for there "being enough classes", the intent of this class is to 1: give a stepping stone to younger riders ready to transition to the pro ranks without going right into XC2 or all the way to XC1, and also give some older pro guys the chance to still race in the latter part of their careers and have a bunch of fun while doing so. It's not just a second 200-A class, it's a super cool, fun, dual purpose class that will end up being a fan favorite I think.
Funny, Bolt on. Those are the exact same arguments we have been raising to DC for a 125 east/west regional class at the outdoor Nationals.

GNCC just doesnt have the same time constraints as Saturday Televised MX so Kudos to DC for at least getting the ball rolling.
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XC3 is a nice X-Mas present from the folks who actually run the show's outdoors.



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HardTaco wrote:
You will see more numbers with this class. This isn't like moto where every person racing is in it for the championship. There are super fast...
You will see more numbers with this class. This isn't like moto where every person racing is in it for the championship. There are super fast local off road pro's all over the country that can go be competitive (top 10-15) at a gncc, but don't have the budget to run a built bike all year.....so they hit the ones they can. This class will give the local fast guys the options to hit more races on a smaller budget with the higher chance of getting a big purse. And before anyone says a small bike class will get old and boring.... Kailub Russell smashed everyone in the big boy class a few years ago on a KTM 150 (this was against factory 450's).

Josh
agreed. I was at PowerLine Park GNCC a few years ago after kailub clinched and he was on rails on that thing. I am a Duvall fan because he's a local here, however Kailua did give them boys a spanking on that 150 that day.
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colorado2day wrote:
XC3 is a nice X-Mas present from the folks who actually run the show's outdoors. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/12/23/165386/s1200_tmp_19303_136745_16racerholidaycardfront_642395557.jpg[/img]
XC3 is a nice X-Mas present from the folks who actually run the show's outdoors.



Third from right (next to DC) is goofy looking ginger in a Santa Clause jacket... That guy sucks.
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BobPA 12/23/2016 6:58pm
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Bolt-On wrote:
Tommy Norton actually won Blackwater on a KTM 125. It was 1990 prior to his Team Mirage/Ninja Turtle days on the Kawasaki (which his were actually...
Tommy Norton actually won Blackwater on a KTM 125. It was 1990 prior to his Team Mirage/Ninja Turtle days on the Kawasaki (which his were actually green CR125s at first)
Wattsy won on a KTM 125...
Kailub won on a KTM 150...

Those are the only ones I know of that were definite GNCC overall wins on a 125/150.

As for there "being enough classes", the intent of this class is to 1: give a stepping stone to younger riders ready to transition to the pro ranks without going right into XC2 or all the way to XC1, and also give some older pro guys the chance to still race in the latter part of their careers and have a bunch of fun while doing so. It's not just a second 200-A class, it's a super cool, fun, dual purpose class that will end up being a fan favorite I think.
Well it kind of is just another 200A class...in all reality they should just eliminate 200A

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ga_pike 12/23/2016 7:01pm
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Well, if some people get their wish of a 22 race SX series... the GNCC series may become the "new" outdoor alternative.
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kzizok 12/23/2016 8:44pm
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It appears that DC didn't stop there. There is a 125 only class (C) for LL's this year. Maybe I just didnt pay attention to previous LL's classes but this seems new to me.
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Bolt-On wrote:
Tommy Norton actually won Blackwater on a KTM 125. It was 1990 prior to his Team Mirage/Ninja Turtle days on the Kawasaki (which his were actually...
Tommy Norton actually won Blackwater on a KTM 125. It was 1990 prior to his Team Mirage/Ninja Turtle days on the Kawasaki (which his were actually green CR125s at first)
Wattsy won on a KTM 125...
Kailub won on a KTM 150...

Those are the only ones I know of that were definite GNCC overall wins on a 125/150.

As for there "being enough classes", the intent of this class is to 1: give a stepping stone to younger riders ready to transition to the pro ranks without going right into XC2 or all the way to XC1, and also give some older pro guys the chance to still race in the latter part of their careers and have a bunch of fun while doing so. It's not just a second 200-A class, it's a super cool, fun, dual purpose class that will end up being a fan favorite I think.
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Well it kind of is just another 200A class...in all reality they should just eliminate 200A
Well Bobpa, they already have a 200cc class. If as your suggesting everybody will run a 144cc + then they need a teardown rule or to bump everything over 125cc into the 126-200 cc class.

Pretty simple. A finisher pays a healthy protest fee and the protested bike gets torn down. If its illegal the protester gets his money back. If its legal tbe protested bike keeps the protesters money.
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Premix wrote:
You do realize the majority of the GNCC races already allow 125's right? XC1 and XC2 already allowed 125's as well. Having a specific 125 class...
You do realize the majority of the GNCC races already allow 125's right? XC1 and XC2 already allowed 125's as well. Having a specific 125 class isn't going to change much and I don't see it sticking around more than a couple years.

List of 2017 GNCC Classes:

http://gnccracing.com/pages/bike-national-classes



Yeah but that would be like bringing a knife to a gun fight.. Just because they "allow" people to race 125's in a 250 class, do you think anyone would when money's on the line? Granted we can't all be Kailub Russell and overall the pro class on a 150, but this class will be a good stepping stone for young up and coming pro riders. Plus change is good, don't be so pessimistic.
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Well Bobpa, they already have a 200cc class. If as your suggesting everybody will run a 144cc + then they need a teardown rule or to...
Well Bobpa, they already have a 200cc class. If as your suggesting everybody will run a 144cc + then they need a teardown rule or to bump everything over 125cc into the 126-200 cc class.

Pretty simple. A finisher pays a healthy protest fee and the protested bike gets torn down. If its illegal the protester gets his money back. If its legal tbe protested bike keeps the protesters money.
I am aware of the 200 class. I have in fact been on the line for a few of them...have you? I do not think the prize money involved will warrant someone to pay the hefty tear down fee...

Bro I am surprised that with your incredible delusions you are able to follow me around in every thread and make rational statements..bravo

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agn5009 12/23/2016 9:38pm
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Bolt-On wrote:
Tommy Norton actually won Blackwater on a KTM 125. It was 1990 prior to his Team Mirage/Ninja Turtle days on the Kawasaki (which his were actually...
Tommy Norton actually won Blackwater on a KTM 125. It was 1990 prior to his Team Mirage/Ninja Turtle days on the Kawasaki (which his were actually green CR125s at first)
Wattsy won on a KTM 125...
Kailub won on a KTM 150...

Those are the only ones I know of that were definite GNCC overall wins on a 125/150.

As for there "being enough classes", the intent of this class is to 1: give a stepping stone to younger riders ready to transition to the pro ranks without going right into XC2 or all the way to XC1, and also give some older pro guys the chance to still race in the latter part of their careers and have a bunch of fun while doing so. It's not just a second 200-A class, it's a super cool, fun, dual purpose class that will end up being a fan favorite I think.
Thanks for correcting me. I was young at the time so things are a little hazy. I do have a sweet poster autographed by Tommy at blackwater when he was on the team mirage kawi. I have a few blackwater VHS tapes too. It really was something to see.

Anyways, like I said I am excited for the XC 3 class but there already is 2 stepping stone classes, 200 A and B.

I believe we will see more fast former pros/top A riders who are in the 30-40 age range who just want to go out and tear up on a 125. I think that'll be great for the series and attract a lot of people. I have no doubt it'll be one of the more popular classes. I know if I was still racing full time and still able to run in the A class I would be extremely excited for this class.

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colorado2day 12/23/2016 10:06pm
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Well Bobpa, they already have a 200cc class. If as your suggesting everybody will run a 144cc + then they need a teardown rule or to...
Well Bobpa, they already have a 200cc class. If as your suggesting everybody will run a 144cc + then they need a teardown rule or to bump everything over 125cc into the 126-200 cc class.

Pretty simple. A finisher pays a healthy protest fee and the protested bike gets torn down. If its illegal the protester gets his money back. If its legal tbe protested bike keeps the protesters money.
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I am aware of the 200 class. I have in fact been on the line for a few of them...have you? I do not think the...
I am aware of the 200 class. I have in fact been on the line for a few of them...have you? I do not think the prize money involved will warrant someone to pay the hefty tear down fee...

Bro I am surprised that with your incredible delusions you are able to follow me around in every thread and make rational statements..bravo

Bobpa,

I am proud proud of you for owning 3 2 strokes.

I think a 125 2 stroke class is a great idea.
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BobPA 12/23/2016 10:18pm
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colorado2day wrote:
Well Bobpa, they already have a 200cc class. If as your suggesting everybody will run a 144cc + then they need a teardown rule or to...
Well Bobpa, they already have a 200cc class. If as your suggesting everybody will run a 144cc + then they need a teardown rule or to bump everything over 125cc into the 126-200 cc class.

Pretty simple. A finisher pays a healthy protest fee and the protested bike gets torn down. If its illegal the protester gets his money back. If its legal tbe protested bike keeps the protesters money.
BobPA wrote:
I am aware of the 200 class. I have in fact been on the line for a few of them...have you? I do not think the...
I am aware of the 200 class. I have in fact been on the line for a few of them...have you? I do not think the prize money involved will warrant someone to pay the hefty tear down fee...

Bro I am surprised that with your incredible delusions you are able to follow me around in every thread and make rational statements..bravo

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Bobpa,

I am proud proud of you for owning 3 2 strokes.

I think a 125 2 stroke class is a great idea.
Fair enough, my apologies for coming off as a bit of a dick... If you ever find yourself in Pennsylvania bring you gear, I've got a Kawi 125..cough (144 on U4.4) you are welcome to take for a rip.
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Dude, don't you ever get tired of your erratic agenda schtick? Its the same thing, over and over again, ad nauseam.

I can't think of it right now, but there is a word that best describes doing the same thing, over and over again, and expecting different results. Anyone remember the word?
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jeffro503 wrote:
I'm not really into offroad , and don't understand a lot of the formats and so forth on how they run...BUT , I do totally respect...
I'm not really into offroad , and don't understand a lot of the formats and so forth on how they run...BUT , I do totally respect anyone who does it. It seems like an awesome part of the sport in which I've never been able to take part of. And starting a 125 class....wow!....That is freakin' awesome! I really hope in the future that we get to see a 125 support class of some type on the SX nights and at the day of a national in some type of series.

I've said this so many times that I'm almost numb to it. But the 125 class is so extremely important , and yet a lot of people dismiss it. They think it's a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke thing....and it isn't.

In baseball , it would be like going from your sophomore year in high school , strait into college ball. Missing out on the " in between ' years which are extremely important. A couple years on a bigger bike , with a little more power than your super mini is the perfect stepping stone for a kid getting ready for the 250F's.

The GP's have seen this....I really wish us American's could see how important it is as well. Hopefully one day.
Jeffro, you are really missing out not checking out some of the off road events up here in the PNW. Team Tortoise puts on awesome events at Washougal and Riverdale to name a couple that aren't too far from you. If you haven't tried one, I HIGHLY recommend the Tortoise series for moto guys as the events have the whole moto track in the course. Super fun stuff.
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jeffro503 wrote:
I'm not really into offroad , and don't understand a lot of the formats and so forth on how they run...BUT , I do totally respect...
I'm not really into offroad , and don't understand a lot of the formats and so forth on how they run...BUT , I do totally respect anyone who does it. It seems like an awesome part of the sport in which I've never been able to take part of. And starting a 125 class....wow!....That is freakin' awesome! I really hope in the future that we get to see a 125 support class of some type on the SX nights and at the day of a national in some type of series.

I've said this so many times that I'm almost numb to it. But the 125 class is so extremely important , and yet a lot of people dismiss it. They think it's a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke thing....and it isn't.

In baseball , it would be like going from your sophomore year in high school , strait into college ball. Missing out on the " in between ' years which are extremely important. A couple years on a bigger bike , with a little more power than your super mini is the perfect stepping stone for a kid getting ready for the 250F's.

The GP's have seen this....I really wish us American's could see how important it is as well. Hopefully one day.
Jeffry, you really need to do the Logger Hare Scramble at Washougal. Picture the mx track, plus a grass track on the fields used for parking at the national, plus trails connecting it all together, for 1.5 to 2.5 hours, depending on class. I lined up a couple years ago after ~15 years of not racing and 2 of not even riding. Had a blast! You get a lot more riding in, and the HS events seem to incorporate mx tracks in them.

Couldn't agree more on 125s. They should be back at mx and SX. I guess gncc is a start.
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colorado2day 12/24/2016 12:14am
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Dude, don't you ever get tired of your erratic agenda schtick? Its the same thing, over and over again, ad nauseam. I can't think of it...
Dude, don't you ever get tired of your erratic agenda schtick? Its the same thing, over and over again, ad nauseam.

I can't think of it right now, but there is a word that best describes doing the same thing, over and over again, and expecting different results. Anyone remember the word?
Kzizok,
Chill out brah. When was the last time you put your money where your mouth is and tried to do something for the sport ?

We tried this last year without much success:
[http://www.2strokeseries.net/home/]

But will try it again this year but a bit differently. And we will expect a different outcome one of these years.

My delusion is efi 2 strokes and a regional 125 class at the National MX outdoors. What are you gonna say when that comes to pass ? Oh yeah, it didnt work for boats. And Gncc isnt a stepping stone ?

Magoo on a 2 stroke



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