Too easy to ride fast.

sandspider250 7/31/2016 1:12pm
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Eddie_E wrote:
It's the tracks, pure and simple. The pro level track layout and grooming from 20 years ago would be called a "Vet track" now. Now that...
It's the tracks, pure and simple. The pro level track layout and grooming from 20 years ago would be called a "Vet track" now. Now that half the bikes on any Podunk track are 450's, the guys grooming think all tables need to be 80+ feet and the doubles need to be 50+ feet with a steep landing right after a sharp corner. SX jumps give SX injuries.

If the layout stays 125 friendly for more than a year, then many of the C-riders and Vets will go back to smaller bikes on their own.

Of course that would mean one or two tracks in a 200 mile radius would have to embrace the idea of being a Vet track rather than all of them trying to lure the real Rippa's.
Exactly. Tracks are the difference. Truth is the tracks of today favor heavier, more powerful bikes.
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ryandiezic757 7/31/2016 1:34pm
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I think it's mentality of the rider. The bike can be as fast and heavy as it could be, the track can have 200 ft tripples and none of it matters unless you tell yourself to ride over your head and do that jump and Go crazy on that fast bike.
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Mr. G 7/31/2016 5:09pm
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Saddleback wasn't really "Prepped". It was like concrete. Always wondered if a dual sport tire would have worked better there.
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Send in the bears! I think they have the answer.

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bentfoxmx94 7/31/2016 6:36pm
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Jumps coupled with the dick swinging mentality that seems to be rampant in our sport. Tracks continue to get more gnarly and technical while everyone wants...
Jumps coupled with the dick swinging mentality that seems to be rampant in our sport. Tracks continue to get more gnarly and technical while everyone wants to be the fastest, biggest whip, biggest d**k, dopest gear and bike setup guy at the track, recipe for injury. Hell more often then not I find myself in B practice even though Im a more skilled C rider as its safer because there are definitely guys that should not be on the race track in C practice. Hell when I first started riding I spent 6 months on the beginner 2 jump track and worked my way up to the intermediate practice track, then race track. I also understand the meaning of keeping your line, being aware of your position and other guys on the track and not rolling the middle of a jump, definitely not the case here in NJ, dude goes out and buys a new 450 loads up and comes to the track causing injury to himself and others because he has no business out there. Could go on forever, end rant.
Gotta agree with you here. I've been at etown for a practice day and watched a total Joey novice putt up and over the staircase. Only to watch him turn around ride back along side of the staircase and hop back on the track in the corner before headed back toward the start corner. Dude made it to the finish line riding backwards with people coming at him before they booted his Neanderthal ass off the track. No joke. I wish I could make that shit up
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More trump fans for sure
Levi jeans, work gloves, sunglasses, and a roached out 450. "Hold my beer, I can huck that gap." The world needs more trump supporters like it needs a new letter of hepatitis.
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usafwx 7/31/2016 7:07pm
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Gotta agree with you here. I've been at etown for a practice day and watched a total Joey novice putt up and over the staircase. Only...
Gotta agree with you here. I've been at etown for a practice day and watched a total Joey novice putt up and over the staircase. Only to watch him turn around ride back along side of the staircase and hop back on the track in the corner before headed back toward the start corner. Dude made it to the finish line riding backwards with people coming at him before they booted his Neanderthal ass off the track. No joke. I wish I could make that shit up
Hahahaha that and the mexican mafia (no racial offense, just what we call them) that all have decked out new 450s who wait for you in the straight aways, jump on to try and pass you and prove something then roll the jump while you go clear it past them, that is if they don't manage wadding themselves up over something earlier in the day. I loathe C class practice on the practice track. New Jersey...
bentfoxmx94 7/31/2016 7:19pm
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bentfoxmx94 wrote:
Gotta agree with you here. I've been at etown for a practice day and watched a total Joey novice putt up and over the staircase. Only...
Gotta agree with you here. I've been at etown for a practice day and watched a total Joey novice putt up and over the staircase. Only to watch him turn around ride back along side of the staircase and hop back on the track in the corner before headed back toward the start corner. Dude made it to the finish line riding backwards with people coming at him before they booted his Neanderthal ass off the track. No joke. I wish I could make that shit up
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Hahahaha that and the mexican mafia (no racial offense, just what we call them) that all have decked out new 450s who wait for you in...
Hahahaha that and the mexican mafia (no racial offense, just what we call them) that all have decked out new 450s who wait for you in the straight aways, jump on to try and pass you and prove something then roll the jump while you go clear it past them, that is if they don't manage wadding themselves up over something earlier in the day. I loathe C class practice on the practice track. New Jersey...
The practice track has a whole nother breed of idiots over there holy hell..

I will give them props though. The A practices are true A riders. They make you show proof that you are one. I would know. I've ridden in the B practice too many times after forgetting my district card. That's sketchy enough for me. Couldn't imagine the C practice
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Titan1 7/31/2016 7:25pm
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If they are easier to ride, wouldn't people crash less?
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usafwx 7/31/2016 7:27pm
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bentfoxmx94 wrote:
The practice track has a whole nother breed of idiots over there holy hell.. I will give them props though. The A practices are true A...
The practice track has a whole nother breed of idiots over there holy hell..

I will give them props though. The A practices are true A riders. They make you show proof that you are one. I would know. I've ridden in the B practice too many times after forgetting my district card. That's sketchy enough for me. Couldn't imagine the C practice
Lol. I was there when they wouldn't let nicco izzy ride A practice because he didn't have his pro card.
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No different than a guy with a newly minted m/c license walking in to a dealership and buying a rocketship and wrapping himself around a telephone pole. 450's are way too fast for the average ham and egger. Too easy to jump shit and giving newbies the impression they actually know how to ride a bike, and they don't. People are going to get hurt, and they do, more than they did in the days of the 2 stroke-only my impression and I don't have any stats to back it up. Tracks have something to do with this as well.
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Are you the only lib in Taylorsville?
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shanexsan 7/31/2016 11:18pm
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no doubt that faster bikes and bigger jumps have the potential to cause more and bigger injuries but sometimes i think people forget you can get paralyzed just when going only 5mph in a turn too..
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Back in the 2 stroke days I don't think I knew of anyone who just went and jumped on a 250 unless they had a decent idea of what they were doing, were a vet and knew their limits or they had progressed from a 125. 250's were respected.
The 125's on the other hand, to do Abby of the big jumps took skill. You had to know how to carry corner speed and get your shifts right. When you got that down you could go for the big jumps.
I know so many people now who just get straight on a 450 cos they are so easy to ride. Wanna hit that big jump, just line it up and twist the grip
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kzizok 7/31/2016 11:44pm
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Eddie_E wrote:
It's the tracks, pure and simple. The pro level track layout and grooming from 20 years ago would be called a "Vet track" now. Now that...
It's the tracks, pure and simple. The pro level track layout and grooming from 20 years ago would be called a "Vet track" now. Now that half the bikes on any Podunk track are 450's, the guys grooming think all tables need to be 80+ feet and the doubles need to be 50+ feet with a steep landing right after a sharp corner. SX jumps give SX injuries.

If the layout stays 125 friendly for more than a year, then many of the C-riders and Vets will go back to smaller bikes on their own.

Of course that would mean one or two tracks in a 200 mile radius would have to embrace the idea of being a Vet track rather than all of them trying to lure the real Rippa's.


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MotoX85 8/1/2016 1:19am
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I blame supercross, otherwise what I call posercross. The sport is being marketed to a bunch of squids with a fox sticker in their truck window who grab a beer at their local supercross event and then try to immulate that when they buy a bike and tell their friends, hey watch this.
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chump6784 wrote:
Back in the 2 stroke days I don't think I knew of anyone who just went and jumped on a 250 unless they had a decent...
Back in the 2 stroke days I don't think I knew of anyone who just went and jumped on a 250 unless they had a decent idea of what they were doing, were a vet and knew their limits or they had progressed from a 125. 250's were respected.
The 125's on the other hand, to do Abby of the big jumps took skill. You had to know how to carry corner speed and get your shifts right. When you got that down you could go for the big jumps.
I know so many people now who just get straight on a 450 cos they are so easy to ride. Wanna hit that big jump, just line it up and twist the grip
Agree 100%. Growing up on a 125 teaches you the fundamentals. I see so many dudes on 450s that can't corner worth a shit. but give them a jump and its boner air city or a trip on their head.
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stackman17 8/1/2016 6:35am
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I bet it's the tracks mostly--4 or 5 helicopter rides out of Freestone last night, some real steep faces on tables with kickers that were pretty...
I bet it's the tracks mostly--4 or 5 helicopter rides out of Freestone last night, some real steep faces on tables with kickers that were pretty sketchy.
A good friend of mine was one of the airlifted. Currently in a Dallas Hospital with neck injury. Initially he had stinging and some paralysis in upper body. Gratefully, he should be ok. Oh, he was riding a 125 as well. Get well soon Chris.

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Frodad78 8/1/2016 6:51am
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A good friend of mine was one of the airlifted. Currently in a Dallas Hospital with neck injury. Initially he had stinging and some paralysis in...
A good friend of mine was one of the airlifted. Currently in a Dallas Hospital with neck injury. Initially he had stinging and some paralysis in upper body. Gratefully, he should be ok. Oh, he was riding a 125 as well. Get well soon Chris.
So sorry to hear that man, I hope he recovers fully. Best wishes my friend.
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I will never forget the guy I rode up on at a track in WV who had made it exactly one corner before breaking his leg on the first jump of the track. His girlfriend was standing there going WTF? He said it was his first time on a real track.

I have seen a lot of stupidity, like drunk idiots at the track on practice days weaving all over. People parked on the downside of a tabletop talking, etc.
In most venues of modern life, if you are doing something stupid, somebody with authority will tell you to stop. A local mx track is a different thing entirely, and the collision of a motoross track and a stupid person is always painful to observe.
bentfoxmx94 8/1/2016 6:59am
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chump6784 wrote:
Back in the 2 stroke days I don't think I knew of anyone who just went and jumped on a 250 unless they had a decent...
Back in the 2 stroke days I don't think I knew of anyone who just went and jumped on a 250 unless they had a decent idea of what they were doing, were a vet and knew their limits or they had progressed from a 125. 250's were respected.
The 125's on the other hand, to do Abby of the big jumps took skill. You had to know how to carry corner speed and get your shifts right. When you got that down you could go for the big jumps.
I know so many people now who just get straight on a 450 cos they are so easy to ride. Wanna hit that big jump, just line it up and twist the grip
It's funny you say that. I definitely think there was more of a respect for the bike back then. I have a cr500af I just started riding again. showing up to the track with it I might as well show up in a Ferrari with the amount of older guys that come by to look at it, take pictures, then proceed to tell me I'm nuts for riding it.

At one practice my little brothers bike broke so I let him spin some laps on mine. All of those guys came over to me fearing for my little brothers life as he was riding which was pretty comical

In reality the 500 is about the same speed as my hopped up 450 which my brother rides and races in front of the same guys with no problems. But the amount of respect they have for the big two stroke is incredible
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shanexsan wrote:
no doubt that faster bikes and bigger jumps have the potential to cause more and bigger injuries but sometimes i think people forget you can get...
no doubt that faster bikes and bigger jumps have the potential to cause more and bigger injuries but sometimes i think people forget you can get paralyzed just when going only 5mph in a turn too..
So true. I was only going 10 mph when I crashed and was hurt.
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It seems like there is a huge contradiction on 450's...a lot of people say they are so easy to ride that anyone can ride them fast...then you have other people who say that they are so hard to ride that only a small handful of riders in the world can ride them at their potential, and that is why the need to go down to a 350 for pro riders (because the racing will be better because more people can ride a 350 fast).
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roninho 8/1/2016 11:26am
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"Too easy to ride fast"

You have obviously never seen me ride.
racingfortheson 8/2/2016 8:32pm
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Titan1 wrote:
It seems like there is a huge contradiction on 450's...a lot of people say they are so easy to ride that anyone can ride them fast...then...
It seems like there is a huge contradiction on 450's...a lot of people say they are so easy to ride that anyone can ride them fast...then you have other people who say that they are so hard to ride that only a small handful of riders in the world can ride them at their potential, and that is why the need to go down to a 350 for pro riders (because the racing will be better because more people can ride a 350 fast).
Thing about the 450 is, for a goon rider, people can just sucks in the corners and get up to speed really fast by twisting the throttle.

But it isn't just the 450. KTM has made an unbelievable 250 smoker and all of the 250f's are just amazing.
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Titan1 wrote:
It seems like there is a huge contradiction on 450's...a lot of people say they are so easy to ride that anyone can ride them fast...then...
It seems like there is a huge contradiction on 450's...a lot of people say they are so easy to ride that anyone can ride them fast...then you have other people who say that they are so hard to ride that only a small handful of riders in the world can ride them at their potential, and that is why the need to go down to a 350 for pro riders (because the racing will be better because more people can ride a 350 fast).
Think of 450s like quads, but for real men.
They inspire confidence, too much. Combine that with the extra weight, and speed.... you get the problems we're seeing.
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Graybeard 8/2/2016 9:12pm
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stackman17 wrote:
A good friend of mine was one of the airlifted. Currently in a Dallas Hospital with neck injury. Initially he had stinging and some paralysis in...
A good friend of mine was one of the airlifted. Currently in a Dallas Hospital with neck injury. Initially he had stinging and some paralysis in upper body. Gratefully, he should be ok. Oh, he was riding a 125 as well. Get well soon Chris.
Stack, so sorry to hear that, and Chris, get well soon, brother. I saw a 45+ rider wad up, too, and cringed when the helicopter flew in a few minutes later. Was hoping it was just a "training flight" but who knows.

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