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In 250s our pearl, Tommy Searle!
Came close a few times to the 250 title.
Hasn't had a sniff on 450s.

Crazy he doesn't even have a British title either or any other titles at all, although that may change this year.
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roninho wrote:
Marnicq Bervoets in GP's. Finished [b]2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th and 5th[/b] in GP's. (mind you, these are not race finishes...
Marnicq Bervoets in GP's.

Finished 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th and 5th in GP's. (mind you, these are not race finishes,
but his final position in the points standings).

8 out 11 of these seasons were in the premier class at the time (250cc).

In 1996 he lost the title to Everts by 9 points (390 to 381 pts).
Yes, yes, yes. And a yes for Coppins as well.
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JLAW
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Sylvain Geboers

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Ron Lechien won a 125 championship but never won a 250 or 500 championship, as well as no 250 SX title.

Massive waste of talent but cool guy to party with.
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Ryan Hughes?
7/21/2016 7:39am
Pastrana was pretty quick his first 2 or 3 years.
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Jim Pomeroy.
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Bearuno wrote:
Sylvain Geboers
Wolsink as well. If not for Robert and DeCoster, those guys would have some titles.
7/21/2016 8:36am
Searle and De Dycker in 08. Both were so close.
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Pastrana was pretty quick his first 2 or 3 years.
Looking back, it's a miracle he was enen able to win a 125 National Championship. He was a grenade with the pin pulled.
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roninho wrote:
Marnicq Bervoets in GP's. Finished [b]2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th and 5th[/b] in GP's. (mind you, these are not race finishes...
Marnicq Bervoets in GP's.

Finished 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th and 5th in GP's. (mind you, these are not race finishes,
but his final position in the points standings).

8 out 11 of these seasons were in the premier class at the time (250cc).

In 1996 he lost the title to Everts by 9 points (390 to 381 pts).
96 ,that was the year of the ilegal fuel in foxhill . Everts got his points back . I really though he had it in 1999 untill he got injured at Foxhill again . there was always a black cloud over Marnicq at Foxhill it seems like . great rider .prob the best to never win the championship
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Rdubs19 wrote:
Tedesco won 2 250 west titles in a row and the 250 outdoor title but never got a 450 title. Sebastian Tortellini and Ezra Lusk didn't...
Tedesco won 2 250 west titles in a row and the 250 outdoor title but never got a 450 title.
Sebastian Tortellini and Ezra Lusk didn't win any titles that I know of but were both extremely fast and won races bearing some of the best ever straight up.
Josh Grant has got to be up there as one of the fast guys who can win any day, especially in the 25ps but never quite got a title.
The list could go on and on, so many fast talented guys but there's only so many championship trophies.
Sebastian Tortelli is a double world motocross Champ . Pity about all the injurys .He was the only one who had the speed to take it to RC over a season imo . Even js7 had days were he just didnt have Ricky speed . Tortelli alway s could run the speed . last time he raced without being injured was 1999
7/21/2016 5:51pm
matze wrote:
JLAW
As much as he's was a dick, didn't he have a 450 podium after being run down by Reed.

Shame wasted talent.
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MXA had an article about some of the near misses a while back:
http://motocrossactionmag.com/news/game-changers

AKE JONSSON’S SPARK PLUG
Going into the final round of the 1971 500 World Championship at St. Anthonis, Holland, Roger DeCoster and Ake Jonsson were locked in a close duel for the crown. Jonsson had won the 500 Luxembourg GP the week before and went to Holland with a one-point lead. Sadly, Ake’s Maico short-reach spark plug unthreaded in moto one and he had to stop and thread it back in by hand. He raced back to 10th and then won the second moto, but he lost the 1971 500 crown to Roger DeCoster. Ake would never win a World Championship title.

CORRADO MADDII’S FASTEST LAP & WHAT IT COST
Back in 1984, Cagiva rider Corrado Maddii had a 30-point lead over Michele Rinaldi going into the last 125 GP of the year. All he had to do was finish both motos in points-paying positions and he would be the World Champ. Corrado Maddii set a fast time in practice, but when Rinaldi bested his time, Maddii went back out and reset the fastest time. After his hot lap, he was cruising around the track and collided with Michele Fanton at the spot where the start straight joined the racetrack. Maddii broke his leg and was carried off the track on a stretcher while Rinaldi won the crown. Maddii never won a world motocross title.

ANDRE VROMAN’S BRAIN FADE
In 1982, Brad Lackey and Andre Vromans, Suzuki teammates, were dueling for the 500 World Championship. They went into the final moto of the year only six points apart. When the gate fell in moto two, Andre Vromans led the pack up the hill to the left-hand turn at the top. Unfortunately for Vromans, at Ettelbruck, Luxembourg, that part of the track was not used on the start—it was picked up after the first lap. “It was the biggest mistake of my life,” said Vromans later. Lackey would become the first American to win a World Motocross Championship that day, Vromans would never win a world motocross title.

VALIANT EFFORTS DON’T ALWAYS HAVE FAIRY TALE ENDINGS
In 2007, Josh Coppins was hand-picked to fill the big shoes left by 10-time champion Stefan Everts at Team Yamaha. The New Zealander started the season like gangbusters, and in the first 10 GPs made the podium at every event and won five GPs outright. Coppins went into round 11 with an almost unbeatable 107-point lead with five races left. Unfortunately, a crash damaged Coppins’ left shoulder. He tried to ride injured but lost the 450 GP title to Steven Ramon—even though Ramon didn’t win a single GP in 2007.


Others: Marty Tripes, David Vuillemin, Gautier Paulin
roninho
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7/22/2016 2:14am Edited Date/Time 7/22/2016 2:15am
Bearuno wrote:
Sylvain Geboers
Wolsink as well. If not for Robert and DeCoster, those guys would have some titles.
Yep good suggetion.

If you look at most GP point finishes in the top 3 without a title both are near the top.

6 top 3 finishes: Kees van der Ven
5 top 3 finishes: Bervoets, Beirer, S.Geboers
4 top 3 finishes: Peter Johansson, Wolsink, Nicoll, Adolf Weil

For me it isn't just a question on who has most of these top 3 finishes though, i mean as a dutchie i always was a fan for van der Ven but he wasn't a real title contender in most of these top 3 finishes. I won't say he is the most deserving one for sure. I mean Nicoll lost the title by just a couple of points twice, and was close in his two other runner up finishes.
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MXA had an article about some of the near misses a while back: http://motocrossactionmag.com/news/game-changers [b]AKE JONSSON’S SPARK PLUG[/b] Going into the final round of the 1971...
MXA had an article about some of the near misses a while back:
http://motocrossactionmag.com/news/game-changers

AKE JONSSON’S SPARK PLUG
Going into the final round of the 1971 500 World Championship at St. Anthonis, Holland, Roger DeCoster and Ake Jonsson were locked in a close duel for the crown. Jonsson had won the 500 Luxembourg GP the week before and went to Holland with a one-point lead. Sadly, Ake’s Maico short-reach spark plug unthreaded in moto one and he had to stop and thread it back in by hand. He raced back to 10th and then won the second moto, but he lost the 1971 500 crown to Roger DeCoster. Ake would never win a World Championship title.

CORRADO MADDII’S FASTEST LAP & WHAT IT COST
Back in 1984, Cagiva rider Corrado Maddii had a 30-point lead over Michele Rinaldi going into the last 125 GP of the year. All he had to do was finish both motos in points-paying positions and he would be the World Champ. Corrado Maddii set a fast time in practice, but when Rinaldi bested his time, Maddii went back out and reset the fastest time. After his hot lap, he was cruising around the track and collided with Michele Fanton at the spot where the start straight joined the racetrack. Maddii broke his leg and was carried off the track on a stretcher while Rinaldi won the crown. Maddii never won a world motocross title.

ANDRE VROMAN’S BRAIN FADE
In 1982, Brad Lackey and Andre Vromans, Suzuki teammates, were dueling for the 500 World Championship. They went into the final moto of the year only six points apart. When the gate fell in moto two, Andre Vromans led the pack up the hill to the left-hand turn at the top. Unfortunately for Vromans, at Ettelbruck, Luxembourg, that part of the track was not used on the start—it was picked up after the first lap. “It was the biggest mistake of my life,” said Vromans later. Lackey would become the first American to win a World Motocross Championship that day, Vromans would never win a world motocross title.

VALIANT EFFORTS DON’T ALWAYS HAVE FAIRY TALE ENDINGS
In 2007, Josh Coppins was hand-picked to fill the big shoes left by 10-time champion Stefan Everts at Team Yamaha. The New Zealander started the season like gangbusters, and in the first 10 GPs made the podium at every event and won five GPs outright. Coppins went into round 11 with an almost unbeatable 107-point lead with five races left. Unfortunately, a crash damaged Coppins’ left shoulder. He tried to ride injured but lost the 450 GP title to Steven Ramon—even though Ramon didn’t win a single GP in 2007.


Others: Marty Tripes, David Vuillemin, Gautier Paulin
Corrado Maddi's title loss is one of the most painfull losses that is clear.

But what many forget or don't know is that Michele Rinaldi actually missed 3 GP's earlier during the season and missed a bunch of points. And that Kees van der Ven got 9 wins in the first 11 motos, before getting injured and missing a couple of GP's. Actually all (!) the 125cc GP winners in 1984 missed races due to injury.

There is certainly a case to be made that Rinaldi or van der Ven was a 'more deserving' winner to Maddi. It's just the way and timing how Maddi lost the title is that painfull.
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MXA had an article about some of the near misses a while back: http://motocrossactionmag.com/news/game-changers [b]AKE JONSSON’S SPARK PLUG[/b] Going into the final round of the 1971...
MXA had an article about some of the near misses a while back:
http://motocrossactionmag.com/news/game-changers

AKE JONSSON’S SPARK PLUG
Going into the final round of the 1971 500 World Championship at St. Anthonis, Holland, Roger DeCoster and Ake Jonsson were locked in a close duel for the crown. Jonsson had won the 500 Luxembourg GP the week before and went to Holland with a one-point lead. Sadly, Ake’s Maico short-reach spark plug unthreaded in moto one and he had to stop and thread it back in by hand. He raced back to 10th and then won the second moto, but he lost the 1971 500 crown to Roger DeCoster. Ake would never win a World Championship title.

CORRADO MADDII’S FASTEST LAP & WHAT IT COST
Back in 1984, Cagiva rider Corrado Maddii had a 30-point lead over Michele Rinaldi going into the last 125 GP of the year. All he had to do was finish both motos in points-paying positions and he would be the World Champ. Corrado Maddii set a fast time in practice, but when Rinaldi bested his time, Maddii went back out and reset the fastest time. After his hot lap, he was cruising around the track and collided with Michele Fanton at the spot where the start straight joined the racetrack. Maddii broke his leg and was carried off the track on a stretcher while Rinaldi won the crown. Maddii never won a world motocross title.

ANDRE VROMAN’S BRAIN FADE
In 1982, Brad Lackey and Andre Vromans, Suzuki teammates, were dueling for the 500 World Championship. They went into the final moto of the year only six points apart. When the gate fell in moto two, Andre Vromans led the pack up the hill to the left-hand turn at the top. Unfortunately for Vromans, at Ettelbruck, Luxembourg, that part of the track was not used on the start—it was picked up after the first lap. “It was the biggest mistake of my life,” said Vromans later. Lackey would become the first American to win a World Motocross Championship that day, Vromans would never win a world motocross title.

VALIANT EFFORTS DON’T ALWAYS HAVE FAIRY TALE ENDINGS
In 2007, Josh Coppins was hand-picked to fill the big shoes left by 10-time champion Stefan Everts at Team Yamaha. The New Zealander started the season like gangbusters, and in the first 10 GPs made the podium at every event and won five GPs outright. Coppins went into round 11 with an almost unbeatable 107-point lead with five races left. Unfortunately, a crash damaged Coppins’ left shoulder. He tried to ride injured but lost the 450 GP title to Steven Ramon—even though Ramon didn’t win a single GP in 2007.


Others: Marty Tripes, David Vuillemin, Gautier Paulin
IMHO Paulin is not good enough to be called an ALMOST MAN.
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7/22/2016 1:21pm Edited Date/Time 7/22/2016 1:27pm
Townley?
Sorry, 250 guy but still deserves mention.
Didn't Townley get a world championship?

edit: Yup, he beat AC222 to win it in 2004....all-be-it the 250 class....and not an AMA championship.....but a championship non-the-less!
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7/22/2016 1:42pm Edited Date/Time 7/22/2016 1:42pm
So last year I lined up next to Kurt Nicoll at the Vet world championships. I asked him, "Didn't you finish the 500cc world championships second.......like twice? He replied, as he hung his head down low, "Actually it was 4 times I finished second.....and thanks for reminding me of THAT!"..........Soooo, he definitely belongs on this list!!!!! Probably more than anyone else.
7/22/2016 2:10pm
Motoxdoc wrote:
So last year I lined up next to Kurt Nicoll at the Vet world championships. I asked him, "Didn't you finish the 500cc world championships second.......like...
So last year I lined up next to Kurt Nicoll at the Vet world championships. I asked him, "Didn't you finish the 500cc world championships second.......like twice? He replied, as he hung his head down low, "Actually it was 4 times I finished second.....and thanks for reminding me of THAT!"..........Soooo, he definitely belongs on this list!!!!! Probably more than anyone else.
I believe Kurt has a AMA championship in Supermoto,not quite the prestige of a World Championship but a championship.
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mx836 wrote:
Kevin Windham. 'Nuff said.
This!
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roninho wrote:
Marnicq Bervoets in GP's. Finished [b]2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th and 5th[/b] in GP's. (mind you, these are not race finishes...
Marnicq Bervoets in GP's.

Finished 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th, 4th, 5th, 5th and 5th in GP's. (mind you, these are not race finishes,
but his final position in the points standings).

8 out 11 of these seasons were in the premier class at the time (250cc).

In 1996 he lost the title to Everts by 9 points (390 to 381 pts).
brimx153 wrote:
96 ,that was the year of the ilegal fuel in foxhill . Everts got his points back . I really though he had it in 1999...
96 ,that was the year of the ilegal fuel in foxhill . Everts got his points back . I really though he had it in 1999 untill he got injured at Foxhill again . there was always a black cloud over Marnicq at Foxhill it seems like . great rider .prob the best to never win the championship
In 1996,Kester was the reversal point of the championship.Marnicq was a notorious poor starter,had great fitness and was one of the nicest person in the paddock.His lack of skills on hard soil was the major factor to never win a wc.
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iudi2006 wrote:
Mike Alessi is a guy who came really close in 2007. And I'm pretty sure 2009 was possible if it weren't for the knee.
Windham, Alessi, and Reynard are my picks
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Jorgen Nilsson, MXGP 250s, 1993. Figthing with Jacky Martens for the title through the season. Interesting story, Martens won the title and the story is that on the last race, Jackys mechanic threatened the other riders that if they didn't let Jacky by during the races, the Belgian supporters would take care of them.

Don't really know if it's true ..
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7/22/2016 2:43pm
As I re-read the title of this post it makes me think that it's not an appropriate one......as everyone of the racers listed in this post are quite manly men!
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7/22/2016 2:49pm
Bearuno wrote:
Sylvain Geboers
You must be old, like me. That was my only choice. All the others mentioned are just pretenders to the throne.

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7/22/2016 2:51pm Edited Date/Time 7/22/2016 2:52pm
Motoxdoc wrote:
So last year I lined up next to Kurt Nicoll at the Vet world championships. I asked him, "Didn't you finish the 500cc world championships second.......like...
So last year I lined up next to Kurt Nicoll at the Vet world championships. I asked him, "Didn't you finish the 500cc world championships second.......like twice? He replied, as he hung his head down low, "Actually it was 4 times I finished second.....and thanks for reminding me of THAT!"..........Soooo, he definitely belongs on this list!!!!! Probably more than anyone else.
neverwas wrote:
I believe Kurt has a AMA championship in Supermoto,not quite the prestige of a World Championship but a championship.
Good pull! You are right about that! He actually won 2 of those. A championship is a championship.....and in all fairness he also did win a Vet World Championship against Dubach last year (and me!....lol. I'll admit I wasn't very close to him)......but second 4 times in the 500 World Championships?! He must've been fit to be tied after finishing second that 4th time!
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Magoo never won a series title.

He showed every fast guy in the world his backside for four motos on both the 250 and the 500 back in the day, but couldn't bring home a title at home.
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