My view of Alex Martin's bike failure

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JB 19 6/19/2016 1:09pm
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FireCrotchOnFire wrote:
Here's what the tv broadcast didn't show you,

LungButter wrote:
I don't think either of them pushed their bike up a hill like that. I'd say he handled it pretty well, not to mention saved his...
I don't think either of them pushed their bike up a hill like that.

I'd say he handled it pretty well, not to mention saved his energy to have a bad ass 2nd moto ride!
MxKing809 wrote:
Wrong. Dungey had his RMZ250 quite before the leap at Red Bud and he pushed it up the water truck path and the crowd went nuts...
Wrong. Dungey had his RMZ250 quite before the leap at Red Bud and he pushed it up the water truck path and the crowd went nuts. He threw his helmet, goggles, and gloves into the crowd and I had my hand on the helmet for a millisecond.
Who cares?


Regardless of how mature a person is, in that situation it would be tough to contain yourself and not totally lose your shit.

I'd say both Martin's handled it well.
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ga_pike wrote:
Actually, I grew up in Morgantown and raced High Point quite often. I also pushed my bike there, in the deep mud up from out of...
Actually, I grew up in Morgantown and raced High Point quite often. I also pushed my bike there, in the deep mud up from out of the bottom where it siezed one Memorial Day weekend. Did the same at Steel City, Loretta Lynn's, and other tracks on more than one occasion... out of breath, crying, pouting, mad, upset... all of the above.

So yeah... I know all about those hills.
Your bike must have siezed ALOT.
What team did you ride for?
IF you didn't ride for a team your point is not valid, cause not many would leave their own bike and head home. Alex knew his bike broke, his job is to ride it, not make it run again.
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JB 19 6/19/2016 1:19pm
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......and i I didn't know we had so many badasses around here who would have done what one of the top physically trained riders in the sport didn't do.

I'm surprised you guys aren't offering advice to the mechanics too.....talking about all your races at Chicken Licks with out one engine failure.......
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Holy hell - what a bunch of Vitards!

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ga_pike wrote:
Yes, I'm sure. If he had pushed his bike to just before the finish line and then waited until the leader took the checkered flag and...
Yes, I'm sure. If he had pushed his bike to just before the finish line and then waited until the leader took the checkered flag and pushed it across after that, he would have been credited a finishing position and not a DNF. That is unless the "under its own power" rule is correct which would be a new rule since the Ryno incident.

As for the walking off vs staying, I can see the point about him not throwing a tantrum. Watching it again, he didnt throw the bike down so I can understand those who see no problems with his actions.
Alex was credited with 14 laps and finished in 30th place. He did not need to push his bike up that steep hill and waste his energy.

Alex did the right thing by getting his bike off the track and was not scored with a DNF.

Let's say Alex did push his bike up the hill and to the finish line. He still would not have scored a point and finished 29th or 30th.



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seth505 6/19/2016 2:29pm
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Feel bad for the dude, he's obviously putting in work that needs to be done.

As for the "why did he put his bike down and leave it" crowd, STFU.
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Insider347 6/19/2016 2:35pm
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According to several posters, most members posting are vitards, stupid, fat asses???? WTF.
we all have opinions and some are different. I don't think Alex should have (tried) to push the bike up that Hill, especially after 29 minutes of ripping it up. I do think he would have saved even more energy if he just hung out a sec, take a few breaths and catch a ride back when they come for the bike. He could of shared any info with mechanics on the way back (if any) or vented his frustration. But he did nothing wrong and handled it with maturity.
inthebadboycorner 6/19/2016 3:32pm
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He should have borrowed some tools, repaired it and crossed the finish line.



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When did LL get hills?
F150Motocrosser 6/19/2016 3:49pm
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The man totally gets a hall pass on laying the bike down. Like DC and GuyB said; that's a steep ass hill. Alex handled the situation with about as much class as humanly possible in a situation like that.
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A rider whose motorcycle is disabled before reaching the finish line may, by the
rider’s own unaided muscular
energy, push or carry the motorcycle in the proper direction of the race course to complete the lap by crossing
the finish line, unless the rider is determined to be a hazard by the Race Directo
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FireCrotchOnFire wrote:
Here's what the tv broadcast didn't show you,

Hahaha. I was thinking the same. I had a hub break in practice and pushed it all the way back to my pits, with a busted rear hub, and the toughest part was dodging the pit bikes and golf carts.
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Hey Pike...saw you the other day..have a jelly filled and STFU plump boy
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GuyB 6/19/2016 8:04pm
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ga_pike wrote:
What exactly makes me stupid?
Question: With regards to championship points, what's the difference between 21st place, and a DNF?

Answer: Nothing.
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USMCMXer wrote:
Are you sure about that? He had crossed the finish line several times previously, he still would've been credited with a DNF for 1 more. There...
Are you sure about that? He had crossed the finish line several times previously, he still would've been credited with a DNF for 1 more. There were a couple laps left. Even though you pushed your bike up hills, in the snow, from Northern PA to TN, doesn't make it the right move for A-Mart. He needed to get back and re-group, which he did admirably. Not a single pro in the same situation would've pushed her home from there. Many of them would have thrown a tantrum and handled it much worse though. Kudos, A-Mart, you are a class act.
ga_pike wrote:
Yes, I'm sure. If he had pushed his bike to just before the finish line and then waited until the leader took the checkered flag and...
Yes, I'm sure. If he had pushed his bike to just before the finish line and then waited until the leader took the checkered flag and pushed it across after that, he would have been credited a finishing position and not a DNF. That is unless the "under its own power" rule is correct which would be a new rule since the Ryno incident.

As for the walking off vs staying, I can see the point about him not throwing a tantrum. Watching it again, he didnt throw the bike down so I can understand those who see no problems with his actions.
Why does waiting at the finish to take the checkers make any sense? You're completing the same amount of laps either way, you're just making your total time slower if you wait. Idiots do that at almost every GNCC, as if it's somehow more noble to take the checkered flag instead of just rolling through the white flag and heading to the truck. Theyre riding the exact same amount, but by waiting it just makes them look like they did it slower.
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KGAspeed 6/19/2016 9:17pm
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ga_pike wrote:
I've been an Alex Martin fan since he rode for Eleven 10. But I was always taught to "finish", no matter what... that meant pushing my...
I've been an Alex Martin fan since he rode for Eleven 10. But I was always taught to "finish", no matter what... that meant pushing my bike to the finish line and waiting for the checkered flag to push it across.

Now, if he is going to finish out of the points, I completely understand not taking the flag, but simply leaving the bike there and walking away leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's seems like this generation of racers do this more and more.

I'm not a huge fan of Ryan Hughes, but I absolutely respect him for this:


Would we expect to see one of today's stars finish a race with a twisted be like Magoo back in the day?

Saving energy for the 2nd moto makes a little sense and I can follow that logic. But if that's the case, sit down, wait for the team to bring the mule to tow the bike and catch a ride.


You're not being serious right?

Had Alex actually attempted to push his bike to the finish (no idea how far that would have been, and I absolutely guarantee "Ryno" or anyone else could not push a 220lb. bike up those hills - have you ever tried to push your bike up a huge hill?) he would not have scored a point. He just raced as hard as he could until the bike expired. He was clearly beat, and frustrated. And also note, he did not *throw* the bike down, simply laid it down.

You must not be paying attention to his dedicated him and his brother are to their profession. Get off the "Magoo back in the day, walk uphill both ways to school" mentality. These guys give it all they have.

Alex had a job to do, and he has a staff around him to help make it happen. I'm certain the staff ran down to get the bike and didn't even remotely think that Alex should have either helped, or pushed it UP to the semi.

Give me a break.
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This topic is more ridiculous than the "Hooters; Just the Tip-Gate"
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Ya'll just got trolled

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ga_pike wrote:
I've been an Alex Martin fan since he rode for Eleven 10. But I was always taught to "finish", no matter what... that meant pushing my...
I've been an Alex Martin fan since he rode for Eleven 10. But I was always taught to "finish", no matter what... that meant pushing my bike to the finish line and waiting for the checkered flag to push it across.

Now, if he is going to finish out of the points, I completely understand not taking the flag, but simply leaving the bike there and walking away leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's seems like this generation of racers do this more and more.

I'm not a huge fan of Ryan Hughes, but I absolutely respect him for this:


Would we expect to see one of today's stars finish a race with a twisted be like Magoo back in the day?

Saving energy for the 2nd moto makes a little sense and I can follow that logic. But if that's the case, sit down, wait for the team to bring the mule to tow the bike and catch a ride.


Stup ^^^^
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RJMX834 6/20/2016 5:32am
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I was under the WPS tent after the quad. I had a perfect view also of Alex's bike failure. I saw everything in the video that the OP posted. Gut wrenching. And there is no way he's pushing his bike up that hill. For some of you who think he's a quitter or not a good sport for not doing it because you have, your nuts. He had nothing to gain. It took three of his team members to push that thing back up that hill. Didn't use a sxs. I think he handled it well. Kudos to Alex.
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RJMX834 wrote:
I was under the WPS tent after the quad. I had a perfect view also of Alex's bike failure. I saw everything in the video that...
I was under the WPS tent after the quad. I had a perfect view also of Alex's bike failure. I saw everything in the video that the OP posted. Gut wrenching. And there is no way he's pushing his bike up that hill. For some of you who think he's a quitter or not a good sport for not doing it because you have, your nuts. He had nothing to gain. It took three of his team members to push that thing back up that hill. Didn't use a sxs. I think he handled it well. Kudos to Alex.
Exactly, I was right behind that tent, and no way 1 dude is pushing a bike up those hills. To anyone that thinks he should of, ride for 20 minutes and then push it up that hill, love to see the video. He handled it awesome, no goggles, gloves or helmet tossed.
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imissrc 6/20/2016 6:47am
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First off, Alex should have put the kick stand down instead of just laying the bike over!
He’s lucky that it didn’t catch on fire from all the fuel leaking out of the Carb.
Next he should have taken the seat off and got the tool kit out and tried to repair it, could have been a fouled plug from having too rich of a mixture due to the elevation.
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ga_pike wrote:
I've been an Alex Martin fan since he rode for Eleven 10. But I was always taught to "finish", no matter what... that meant pushing my...
I've been an Alex Martin fan since he rode for Eleven 10. But I was always taught to "finish", no matter what... that meant pushing my bike to the finish line and waiting for the checkered flag to push it across.

Now, if he is going to finish out of the points, I completely understand not taking the flag, but simply leaving the bike there and walking away leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's seems like this generation of racers do this more and more.

I'm not a huge fan of Ryan Hughes, but I absolutely respect him for this:


Would we expect to see one of today's stars finish a race with a twisted be like Magoo back in the day?

Saving energy for the 2nd moto makes a little sense and I can follow that logic. But if that's the case, sit down, wait for the team to bring the mule to tow the bike and catch a ride.


mxjeff575 wrote:
And Alex was trying to finish by nursing it along. It would have been impossible to push the bike 2 or so more laps around the...
And Alex was trying to finish by nursing it along. It would have been impossible to push the bike 2 or so more laps around the entire track. If i remember correctly, Hughes lost his chain with only a corner or two before the finish. I'm sure Alex would have also pushed his bike across the finish in that scenario.
Such a bummer for Alex.
ga_pike wrote:
He didn't have to push it 2 laps to finish, he could have finished 2 laps down. But finishing out of the points either way, it...
He didn't have to push it 2 laps to finish, he could have finished 2 laps down. But finishing out of the points either way, it does make sense to not worry about finishing.

I still don't like it that he put the bike down and walked away... but I do understand the emotions he was going through. He will need some help, but he is still in the hunt and I'm pulling for him.
Seriously? That hill is gnarly, no rider today or in the past would push their bike up that hill, especially after 30 minutes on that track. Hughes had to push his bike about 30 feet up a slight up hill.


I'm an old mx guy myself, but some of the nostalgia is stupid.
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Someone really compared Hughes pushing his bike up a slight incline with the finish line placed in a corner against Martin pushing it up a massive hill and up the face of a tabletop?

Ask Alessi how easy that is... without the hill.
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CG118 6/20/2016 10:11am
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That kid has some big stones. Knowing his bike was failing, he was still jumping everything the bike would carry him over. Could have been an ugly Doug Henry/Bud's Creek lock up. But he kept on until the bike had nothing left to give.
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CG118 wrote:
That kid has some big stones. Knowing his bike was failing, he was still jumping everything the bike would carry him over. Could have been an...
That kid has some big stones. Knowing his bike was failing, he was still jumping everything the bike would carry him over. Could have been an ugly Doug Henry/Bud's Creek lock up. But he kept on until the bike had nothing left to give.
Or like James.

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was kinda hoping to see video of him beating the shit out of an unsuspecting tuff-block
dumpster_diver 6/20/2016 1:03pm
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I don't think that bike is getting up the hill with 1 person even if it was on Steve Austin's Broken Skull Ranch as fitness test. 4 guys got it 1/3 the way up and then a gator hooked up to it.
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mxjeff575 wrote:
And Alex was trying to finish by nursing it along. It would have been impossible to push the bike 2 or so more laps around the...
And Alex was trying to finish by nursing it along. It would have been impossible to push the bike 2 or so more laps around the entire track. If i remember correctly, Hughes lost his chain with only a corner or two before the finish. I'm sure Alex would have also pushed his bike across the finish in that scenario.
Such a bummer for Alex.
ga_pike wrote:
He didn't have to push it 2 laps to finish, he could have finished 2 laps down. But finishing out of the points either way, it...
He didn't have to push it 2 laps to finish, he could have finished 2 laps down. But finishing out of the points either way, it does make sense to not worry about finishing.

I still don't like it that he put the bike down and walked away... but I do understand the emotions he was going through. He will need some help, but he is still in the hunt and I'm pulling for him.
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Wow Vital gets better and better every time I come on here..
"AFUGGINMAZING... "
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Mit12 6/20/2016 2:49pm
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A DNF and a 21st pay the same amount of points, zero. Unliss he could pushed his bike to 20th it would be a waist of energy.

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