please explain why Herlings is sandbagging and Martin is not

ATKpilot99 wrote:

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Crush wrote:

Martin is 23. Born 92. First year was 2012 outdoors. Won outdoor title 2014, 2015 5 seasons in the class. Definitely moving up next year. Herlings...

Martin is 23. Born 92.
First year was 2012 outdoors.
Won outdoor title 2014, 2015
5 seasons in the class.
Definitely moving up next year.

Herlings is 21. Born 94.
First year in Gps was 2010.
Won it 2012, 2013
7 seasons in clas
Jeffrey is going for 500 MX2 wins.

Moens_Andy wrote:

you guys really should stop seeing things with double standards. i just want to know why you think Herlings is and why you think Martin is...

you guys really should stop seeing things with double standards.

i just want to know why you think Herlings is
and why you think Martin is not

if i remember correctly both of them r about the same age both have 2 championships and both have a factory contract

for those who like a shitstorm of double standards
ready set go

Crush wrote:

Martin is 23. Born 92. First year was 2012 outdoors. Won outdoor title 2014, 2015 5 seasons in the class. Definitely moving up next year. Herlings...

Martin is 23. Born 92.
First year was 2012 outdoors.
Won outdoor title 2014, 2015
5 seasons in the class.
Definitely moving up next year.

Herlings is 21. Born 94.
First year in Gps was 2010.
Won it 2012, 2013
7 seasons in clas
Jeffrey is going for 500 MX2 wins.

USMCMXer wrote:

He (J-Mart) raced last 3 nats in 12' coming off an injured shoulder and skipping Lorettas, where Zach Bell dominated. He turned pro at 18.5 yrs...

He (J-Mart) raced last 3 nats in 12' coming off an injured shoulder and skipping Lorettas, where Zach Bell dominated. He turned pro at 18.5 yrs old. Nobody calls Z. Bell a sandbagger. Herlings turned pro at 15 and rules are rules (he's not sandbagging). OP, great topic, but this horse is beaten to death, chopped up and filling a glue bottle somewhere already.

yak651 wrote:

Because one is racing a class that isn't a "feeder" class and the other one is racing a feeder class that he had the rules changed...

Because one is racing a class that isn't a "feeder" class and the other one is racing a feeder class that he had the rules changed so he could continue to cherry pick it...

DeStouwer wrote:

By far. He has won all his 54 GP's in MX2 and he's already fourth in the all-time GP wins list after Everts (101 wins), Cairoli...

By far. He has won all his 54 GP's in MX2 and he's already fourth in the all-time GP wins list after Everts (101 wins), Cairoli (75 wins) and Smets (57 wins). When the season is over he will be in third.

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DeStouwer wrote:

By far. He has won all his 54 GP's in MX2 and he's already fourth in the all-time GP wins list after Everts (101 wins), Cairoli...

By far. He has won all his 54 GP's in MX2 and he's already fourth in the all-time GP wins list after Everts (101 wins), Cairoli (75 wins) and Smets (57 wins). When the season is over he will be in third.

crusty_xx wrote:

Does anybody know how many GP wins Everts had at Herlings' age? 8, 9, 10? Just guessing, gotta be something like that. I know that he...

Does anybody know how many GP wins Everts had at Herlings' age?
8, 9, 10? Just guessing, gotta be something like that. I know that he had 5 in the 125 class before he moved up

NotCore wrote:

Sandbagging is not about age.

Martin has competition in his class and Herlings has not for several years. Simple. Spin it as you like.

Crush wrote:

Martin's first year was a half year also, outdoors only, and he also didn't turn pro at 16, he waited a year. I understand Herlings not...

Martin's first year was a half year also, outdoors only, and he also didn't turn pro at 16, he waited a year.

I understand Herlings not moving up this year after two years of injury... I think he could have before though, and yeah he's young, but here's the thing that most people would calling him a sandbagger because of...he's been young and a minute out front for a long time.

You definitely can question if he's improving where he is... Is he getting stronger cruising around out front? Is he learning? Do what you like but it's not hard to see why people think he's cherry picking, he's got no comp.

Moens_Andy wrote:

i'm just quoting your last alinea Herlings never ever just cruises around he is always giving it 100% every time he throws a leg over his...

i'm just quoting your last alinea

Herlings never ever just cruises around he is always giving it 100% every time he throws a leg over his dirtsicle on his mountainbike or road bike or gym thats the thing with Jeffrey his always balls out the kid can't even give 99%

You really should see him on practice he's just insane he knows this might not last very long as he is demanding a lot from his body and said so himself in an interview recently

he's improving himself every minute of the day he eats, sleeps, dreams, ride's 100%

when i see him i'm in awe off how blazingly stupid fast he is when he's on there is just no way anyone could touch him on a bike not even the mxgp guys iff he's healthy enough and they would let him ride 4 moto's mx2 and mxgp he will win all moto's and i'm even willing to put money where my mouth is on that one he's just unbelievable

the people who have seen him ride in real life will probably say the same he's skill level is so much higher than anyone i have ever seen ride in real life

NotCore wrote:

Sandbagging is not about age.

Martin has competition in his class and Herlings has not for several years. Simple. Spin it as you like.

jamma10 wrote:

Romain Febvre and Tim Gajser have pretty much obliterated that assumption.

WVUpetro2013 wrote:

Is it just me or are the 'gp wins record' he's trying to set discredited by the fact that he is padding the number with mx2...

Is it just me or are the 'gp wins record' he's trying to set discredited by the fact that he is padding the number with mx2 wins? Don't get me wrong, mx2 wins are an quite an accomplishment, but they are not on the same level as the amount of wins in the primer class by Everts and AC

NotCore wrote:

They have only validated that he is sandbagging and avoiding Cairoli by staying in th feeder class all these years. He should have moved up prior...

They have only validated that he is sandbagging and avoiding Cairoli by staying in th feeder class all these years. He should have moved up prior to his injuries.

WVUpetro2013 wrote:

Is it just me or are the 'gp wins record' he's trying to set discredited by the fact that he is padding the number with mx2...

Is it just me or are the 'gp wins record' he's trying to set discredited by the fact that he is padding the number with mx2 wins? Don't get me wrong, mx2 wins are an quite an accomplishment, but they are not on the same level as the amount of wins in the primer class by Everts and AC

EEE299 wrote:

Yeah I think when we talk about US records it's normally 450 wins only right?

NotCore wrote:

They have only validated that he is sandbagging and avoiding Cairoli by staying in th feeder class all these years. He should have moved up prior...

They have only validated that he is sandbagging and avoiding Cairoli by staying in th feeder class all these years. He should have moved up prior to his injuries.

jamma10 wrote:

You think a 17 year old should have jumped on a 450 and raced MXGP for the next fifteen years, simply to satisfy [i]your[/i] expectations? The...

You think a 17 year old should have jumped on a 450 and raced MXGP for the next fifteen years, simply to satisfy your expectations?

The idea he's deliberatley avoiding Cairoli is bullshit made up by thick idiots who don't like him.

Dezerted wrote:

It's a valid question and the answer is vital is 99.9% hypocrites

rileymx wrote:

Herlings is so much better them all others, and by not being american and not wanting to race in América, people here on this forum just...

Herlings is so much better them all others, and by not being american and not wanting to race in América, people here on this forum just have to hate on him as much as possible....if he would race in America, he would became american, like ken and Marvin, and he would be the best in the world, but by keeping in mxgp and not wanting to move to "the States" never mind how good he is, he cant be the best in the world since he is racing outside of the world, the world can only hate on him for it.....

mx 219 wrote:

OP you are a moron if you believe Martin and Herlings are anywhere near the same situation. Does Martin need to move up next year, yes...

OP you are a moron if you believe Martin and Herlings are anywhere near the same situation. Does Martin need to move up next year, yes. He needed another year of SX, where he did look really good at times. IMO (not that it counts for anything, after all I actually have common sense) Herlings should have moved up to MX1 in 2015. You get injured too bad, so sad, quit milking MX2. At least you had 2 titles and 43 wins after 2014, that is a lot for one class, especially not a "premiere" class.


Martin's results:

2012 MX - 22nd

2013 SX East - 11th
2013 MX - 6th

2014 SX East - 10th (1 win)
2014 MX - 1st (5 wins)

2015 SX East - 3rd (1 win)
2015 MX - 1st (5 wins)

2016 Sx East - 3rd (2 wins)
2016 MX - ?

Sx Wins - 4 (won first race at Las Vegas 2014)
MX Wins -10 (won first race at Hangtown 2014)



Herlings

2010 MX2 - 6th (2 wins)

2011 MX2- 2nd (5 wins)

2012 MX2 - 1st (9 wins)

2013 MX2 - 1st (15 wins)

2014 MX2 - 2nd (12 wins)

2015 MX2 - 7th (4 wins)

2016 MX2 - ? (7 wins and counting)

MX2 wins - 54 wins and counting (won first race in 2010)