What is your take on local Moto in 2016?

5/10/2016 2:28pm
NATEP231 wrote:
We are seeing numbers drastically declining in Iowa and I've been hearing the same in the surrounding states. Biggest thing I've noticed (I've been around since...
We are seeing numbers drastically declining in Iowa and I've been hearing the same in the surrounding states. Biggest thing I've noticed (I've been around since 1990 before the Internet era) the massive down hill spiral of social media ruining the sport. We now have practice days on top of race days, C riders and even mini riders publicly bad mouthing tracks, promotors who get so frustrated by what they read on the media outlets about their hard work. Question is what can we do to turn this around? Or is there anything we can do? I know the price of bikes and having the best equipment is pretty much out of the question for most 20 year olds hell Im in my 30s and can't afford to do it like I use to.
wait can we play this card?

they don't understand our culture.

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The cost is getting stupid . For example. Hangtown will costs 100 per class. 75 to camp 35 for practice 25 or 35 gate fee 20 transponder fee That's just to ride 5 lap Moto . When you add travel cost. Tires Oils Fuel ect for bike. Time off work it's a easy 1000-1200 dollar weekend And just for fun Add another 50 to watch the pro race. And another 50 if you want a pit pass . Don't even get me started on LL that's a expense that will leave a mark . And just for fun most of these races make you run different color backgrounds. WTF Who cares what color my backgrounds are. That's what the transponder is for . Back to work I go I have 4 races this next month. Dizzy I should just take up fishing
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I can remember back in 02-05 that a golden state race would have anywhere between 36-42 classes per day, 2 motos each...that DOES NOT include the classes that had to have multiple gates because of the amount of riders.

Was not uncommon to have over 100 gates drops in a single race day.


Practice was at 8, didn't get over till about 9:30 or 10, races literally went until 1AM, and that was with shortened second motos.


Now you are out by 3 o'clock and home by 5. Don't get me wrong, getting home early is fantastic, however its easy to see the decline of the local moto scene if you were in it 10-12 years ago
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What is your take on local Moto in 2016?... is the name of the thread...

My take is you could win (The A Class) in 1985 at Highpoint and make more money and the bikes cost 5 times
more now...

I was out at Malvern MX in Ohio last year... it's sad...

About as much promise as a West Virginia Coal Miner...

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I got out in 05, back again in 2009, quit and back again in 2014. Racing is still expensive, just as it always has. For myself, I have 5 tracks within an hour and a half. Couple gallons of 110, 10 gallons of fuel for the truck, premix and trans oil, entry fee, food and drinks. I would say I average right around 75 bucks everytime I go out. I ride twice a week about 30 weeks out of the year. So lets say an average of 75 bucks x 30 times a year = $2250.00

Now this dosent include consumables like top ends, tires, suspension maintence. I would say overall I spend right around 3000-3500 to ride each year. I don't think that's too crazy. I don't really race anymore save for like 2 twice a year. Just don't enjoy dedicating a whole weekend to it.

But then again, I just sold the boat I bought while I was on my MX hiatus, think MX is expensive? Buy a boat....80 gallons of fuel, 25 gallons to tow it there and back, dock fee's, booze. Shit I spent 3k before memorial day every year.
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moscrop940 wrote:
I can remember back in 02-05 that a golden state race would have anywhere between 36-42 classes per day, 2 motos each...that DOES NOT include the...
I can remember back in 02-05 that a golden state race would have anywhere between 36-42 classes per day, 2 motos each...that DOES NOT include the classes that had to have multiple gates because of the amount of riders.

Was not uncommon to have over 100 gates drops in a single race day.


Practice was at 8, didn't get over till about 9:30 or 10, races literally went until 1AM, and that was with shortened second motos.


Now you are out by 3 o'clock and home by 5. Don't get me wrong, getting home early is fantastic, however its easy to see the decline of the local moto scene if you were in it 10-12 years ago
I'm curious ... about what others in So Cal feel about the local scene. Sure, at one time Golden State series attracted a fair amount of the top pros even but those days are long gone. Do you think CMC had more of a monopoly back then and there weren't as many competing race organizations?

From my limited view there are far more tracks now then there were 20 years ago. That would appear to be a sign of growth. The trouble is that the average rider age has probably gone waaay up as kids / teens simply can't afford the sport.

And perhaps, because of time constraints, us older riders are content to just do practice days? You get your moto fix and get in and out without spending 12 hours at the track.

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I only do practice days but I can say around Michigan in District 14 it seems to be strong. I can say that because twice now C class(that I ride in) has had to be divided up into two classes. Half these bastards are B class riders that just want to run C class but there are some of us...that are genuinely C class riders.

There seems to be plenty of 2015/2016 bikes on the tracks, several of which are newer 2 strokes. Lots of people are in new gear and have nice trucks etc. Seem to be pretty good vs what Michigan was dealing with 6 -7 years ago.

What I am not seeing much of, is youth. Amazes me how few 85's are out on the track. This is the sports biggest problem.
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If guys can race as girls now and A class riders can sandbag and race C class. It's just a matter of time till vets can race the minis
5/10/2016 5:06pm Edited Date/Time 5/10/2016 5:09pm
kkawboy14 wrote:
Yoho/Dade City MX is the only track in the country that actually gets running a Saturday night local race series!
I live 20mins from Dade and this guy couldn't be more spot on about their night series. He's been doing it right for the last 30 yrs (even though personally he's huge Dick). He puts all the money directly back into the track and series, the season ending awards banquet is HUGE with lots of payback and awards and swag to all the riders. The track is always perfectly groomed and maintained and is changed on a weekly basis. The rider turnout hasn't dropped at all and has actually been growing with new riders/racers and families. And the spectators are always turning out in droves. He actually listens to the riders and makes changes to formats and the series accordingly to keep it fresh and entertaining. No wonder so many top tier pros started racing and came from this area and have raced his championship series ie. Millsaps, both Stewarts, ferry, Carmichael, Hampshire, keylon, Boni, goerke, just to name a few. Local scene around here in FL, all regions, isn't suffering at all. Every race or practice day I go to, local or AMA sanctioned, or even harescramble/FTR is in good shape with great turnout.
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That's awesome to hear. He was hauling back in the day. Haven't raced since moving as far north as possible in the state. Nowhere near the tracks to ride.
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I don't even race moto anymore. I pretty much only do practice days (Almost every weekend). But I will come out and race special one off...
I don't even race moto anymore. I pretty much only do practice days (Almost every weekend).

But I will come out and race special one off races, like GP Moto-scramble type things. And NateP I was going to race the Urbancross in Waterloo this weekend, but had to bail for many reasons. I should still be down to watch though.
It should be a good time. I'm hopefully racing the urbancross too....I remember back when it was normal to have 1000-1200 riders at Millville.
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5/10/2016 8:42pm Edited Date/Time 5/10/2016 9:08pm
Local racing is what cultivates fast riders that go to big amateur races. National amateur scene is depressing. Freestone and Oak Hill spring races have a fraction of what they used to. Heck, whole organiztions have gone bye bye (NMA). I know Ron Hendrickson was disliked by a lot of people. But even those that didnt like him still showed up to his races. Think about it, world minis are gone, Ponca (as we knew it) is gone, Branson is gone.

There was a perfect storm of things that happened. The recession hit, while at the same time more expensive four strokes became the accetable wepon of choice, and all other related costs continued to rise. I know people still could have bought less expensive two strokes. However, everyone thought they had to keep up with the Jones's and if little Johnnies friends were on a four stroke then he had to have one too. In essence, people had less disposable income to use for expenses that continued to climb . Put it all together and you have fewer and fewer people lining up. A lot of the people that got out never came back.

Lets face it, local racing is a shell of what it used to be. I honetly believe that, if something isnt done soon, we may see the entire sport defunct. Really, its not that far fetched of an idea. I think we are seeing it happen right in front our eyes.
5/10/2016 8:52pm
I don't see how you can say 4-strokes are the problem, not like you can't buy 2-strokes anymore, maybe it's a little harder to find one but definitely still out there.

But I agree to just begin riding you're looking at $5000 at the very least.
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5/10/2016 9:59pm
Problem IMO is there are no small local races around me. I would love to race locally with guys I see at the practice track, but no way in hell am I going to race a LL qualifier, I would just be in the way.
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5/10/2016 10:47pm
Did the math for Hangtown Amateur day. One day format, 28 classes...

$100 per class x 2
$75 camping
$30 gate
$30 practice
$40 to watch the national
$30 for significant gate
$40 for significant others national ticket

Add it up and tell me if its worth it.
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5/10/2016 10:56pm
mtl wrote:
Did the math for Hangtown Amateur day. One day format, 28 classes... $100 per class x 2 $75 camping $30 gate $30 practice $40 to watch...
Did the math for Hangtown Amateur day. One day format, 28 classes...

$100 per class x 2
$75 camping
$30 gate
$30 practice
$40 to watch the national
$30 for significant gate
$40 for significant others national ticket

Add it up and tell me if its worth it.
Is this thread about local or national type events?
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5/10/2016 11:33pm
mtl wrote:
Did the math for Hangtown Amateur day. One day format, 28 classes... $100 per class x 2 $75 camping $30 gate $30 practice $40 to watch...
Did the math for Hangtown Amateur day. One day format, 28 classes...

$100 per class x 2
$75 camping
$30 gate
$30 practice
$40 to watch the national
$30 for significant gate
$40 for significant others national ticket

Add it up and tell me if its worth it.
mx510 wrote:
Is this thread about local or national type events?
Right, we have some 'special' races in the sport that happen at local tracks but have a bunch of extra fees tacked on...
For example, I rode the Loretta's AQ and Regional at Washougal last year. Had to buy AMA card, higher entry cost, etc.

Those special events and qualifers just don't count for local moto in my opinion.

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You guys should join the OTHG group of you are over 30.

Great group, good series of races and free practice days and the classes are even. No sandbagging from what I have seen. They make you run 2 eval races to determine your class.

I recently joined and am happy I did.

Not sure if they have chapters in your area but take a look into it.
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Staying 10 hours to ride for 40 minutes is not as thrilling as it once was.
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Don't know about your regions, but here it seems a lot consider themselves athletes nowadays on social media. It's laughable to be honest. I question their outlook on life in general.
Other than that the just-for-fun riding and licence-free racing is spreading along with the beginner class. Regionally and even nationally the racing scene is very poor, filling not even half the gates sometimes.
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There are a number of reasons mx is on the decline here in Canada but the most significant in my mind is the difficulty of competition. Here in Canada we cannot ride year round so in the old days you may go down south for a week or so just to shake off the cobwebs before racing season starts. These days kids are removed from school or teens/young adults are delaying working and attending training facilities full time. The result is a level of competition in each class that the average racer can't touch. Why go racing if you have little chance of winning. Why go racing if the winner in a class wins by 50 seconds in a 10 min moto. I believe this is the reason we have so many that would much rather attend a practice weekend than a race weekend, the gap between the "serious racer" and the "average joe" has just become to large.

My 2 cents.
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I only do practice days but I can say around Michigan in District 14 it seems to be strong. I can say that because twice now...
I only do practice days but I can say around Michigan in District 14 it seems to be strong. I can say that because twice now C class(that I ride in) has had to be divided up into two classes. Half these bastards are B class riders that just want to run C class but there are some of us...that are genuinely C class riders.

There seems to be plenty of 2015/2016 bikes on the tracks, several of which are newer 2 strokes. Lots of people are in new gear and have nice trucks etc. Seem to be pretty good vs what Michigan was dealing with 6 -7 years ago.

What I am not seeing much of, is youth. Amazes me how few 85's are out on the track. This is the sports biggest problem.
Spot on in the Michigan Moto crowd. Practice days have a pretty good turn out, but the lack of 65 and 85 riders is alarming. Maybe I'm just going to different tracks as the mini crowd, but I doubt it.
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-Guys are more interested in throwing away 700-800 dollars or more per month plus insurance on a ridiculous brand new truck
- Guys are more interested in throwing away 6000-10,000 dollars or more on a hopped up ATV so they can go mudding
-Guys are more interested in throwing away 10,000-20,000 dollars or more on a side by side so they can go mudding
-Guys want a boat (God knows what that costs) to go to the lake and ride around in circles and drink beer
-Parents aren't getting their kids involved in the sport. Pretty much everybody gets divorced which costs a fortune and makes getting kids involved in something like MX extremely difficult.
-Everybody's fucking fat and that doesn't mesh with motocross as well as it does fantasy football or riding ATVs at some stupid mud hole
Local MX can definetely make a comeback but it's going to take a shift in priorities among young males and exposure to the masses has got to be higher.
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Rdubs19 wrote:
-Guys are more interested in throwing away 700-800 dollars or more per month plus insurance on a ridiculous brand new truck - Guys are more interested...
-Guys are more interested in throwing away 700-800 dollars or more per month plus insurance on a ridiculous brand new truck
- Guys are more interested in throwing away 6000-10,000 dollars or more on a hopped up ATV so they can go mudding
-Guys are more interested in throwing away 10,000-20,000 dollars or more on a side by side so they can go mudding
-Guys want a boat (God knows what that costs) to go to the lake and ride around in circles and drink beer
-Parents aren't getting their kids involved in the sport. Pretty much everybody gets divorced which costs a fortune and makes getting kids involved in something like MX extremely difficult.
-Everybody's fucking fat and that doesn't mesh with motocross as well as it does fantasy football or riding ATVs at some stupid mud hole
Local MX can definetely make a comeback but it's going to take a shift in priorities among young males and exposure to the masses has got to be higher.
This is kinda true. Even the guys that do come and ride have 40,000$ trucks, 10,000$ bikes and 1000+dollars in gear but if I'm am not home will not drop 10$ to ride. So many times I've had to go out and ask for my money cause it's not in the honor box.
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I only do practice days but I can say around Michigan in District 14 it seems to be strong. I can say that because twice now...
I only do practice days but I can say around Michigan in District 14 it seems to be strong. I can say that because twice now C class(that I ride in) has had to be divided up into two classes. Half these bastards are B class riders that just want to run C class but there are some of us...that are genuinely C class riders.

There seems to be plenty of 2015/2016 bikes on the tracks, several of which are newer 2 strokes. Lots of people are in new gear and have nice trucks etc. Seem to be pretty good vs what Michigan was dealing with 6 -7 years ago.

What I am not seeing much of, is youth. Amazes me how few 85's are out on the track. This is the sports biggest problem.
msp138 wrote:
Spot on in the Michigan Moto crowd. Practice days have a pretty good turn out, but the lack of 65 and 85 riders is alarming. Maybe...
Spot on in the Michigan Moto crowd. Practice days have a pretty good turn out, but the lack of 65 and 85 riders is alarming. Maybe I'm just going to different tracks as the mini crowd, but I doubt it.
Thin blue line Smile


Log Road is a pretty easy track and was always filled with 65'sa and 85's back in the day. Last time I was there I spotted maybe 10 out on the track...embarrassing.


One thing I dont buy is when people say "Oh you have to have a $5,000 bike to ride"
Bull Shit.

Get a $1500 KX125, $400 in gear and go have fun. Sure your not going to be as fast as a brand new 250f but fun is the name of the game, not keeping up with the Jones. Throw in a $150 piston and keep riding.
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Basically all of the above for me. Woods racing has provided so much more fun per dollar for me.

One of the major issues that I have(didn't see listed) is quads on mx tracks. Literally they will allow quads (only 5 show up) and that is all it takes to turn the track into concrete. I have absolutely no interest in riding a rock hard track with zero ruts and cupped out jump faces. Just my 2 cents
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I only do practice days but I can say around Michigan in District 14 it seems to be strong. I can say that because twice now...
I only do practice days but I can say around Michigan in District 14 it seems to be strong. I can say that because twice now C class(that I ride in) has had to be divided up into two classes. Half these bastards are B class riders that just want to run C class but there are some of us...that are genuinely C class riders.

There seems to be plenty of 2015/2016 bikes on the tracks, several of which are newer 2 strokes. Lots of people are in new gear and have nice trucks etc. Seem to be pretty good vs what Michigan was dealing with 6 -7 years ago.

What I am not seeing much of, is youth. Amazes me how few 85's are out on the track. This is the sports biggest problem.
msp138 wrote:
Spot on in the Michigan Moto crowd. Practice days have a pretty good turn out, but the lack of 65 and 85 riders is alarming. Maybe...
Spot on in the Michigan Moto crowd. Practice days have a pretty good turn out, but the lack of 65 and 85 riders is alarming. Maybe I'm just going to different tracks as the mini crowd, but I doubt it.
Youth participation is down in a lot of sports. To many kids would rather stay inside then be active outdoors. Another thing that is going to hurt moto is parents do not want to put their kids in harms way. Less and less are even letting their kids play football for the risk of head injuries.
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moscrop940 wrote:
I can remember back in 02-05 that a golden state race would have anywhere between 36-42 classes per day, 2 motos each...that DOES NOT include the...
I can remember back in 02-05 that a golden state race would have anywhere between 36-42 classes per day, 2 motos each...that DOES NOT include the classes that had to have multiple gates because of the amount of riders.

Was not uncommon to have over 100 gates drops in a single race day.


Practice was at 8, didn't get over till about 9:30 or 10, races literally went until 1AM, and that was with shortened second motos.


Now you are out by 3 o'clock and home by 5. Don't get me wrong, getting home early is fantastic, however its easy to see the decline of the local moto scene if you were in it 10-12 years ago
Ok, and as a total OLD guy, I was saying the same thing in 2002 after getting back into it after an 6-8 year layoff. "I can remember .." back in 87-90 when it was even more packed, especially for the Golden State and local races at Sand Hill. It seems like the trend has been going on for a while.
5/11/2016 6:43am
There is a shift going on from racing to riding. It's isn't cost, for 2k you can be riding or racing with a bike and gear...
There is a shift going on from racing to riding. It's isn't cost, for 2k you can be riding or racing with a bike and gear. People get enough enjoyment out of just getting to the track and trails and riding, they've never raced. Maybe it's always been that way
I see this a lot in my area, in the 90's we practiced in a field somewhere. The only time we rode a prepped race track was at the race, now we can ride a prepped track anytime.
5/11/2016 6:55am
Rdubs19 wrote:
-Guys are more interested in throwing away 700-800 dollars or more per month plus insurance on a ridiculous brand new truck - Guys are more interested...
-Guys are more interested in throwing away 700-800 dollars or more per month plus insurance on a ridiculous brand new truck
- Guys are more interested in throwing away 6000-10,000 dollars or more on a hopped up ATV so they can go mudding
-Guys are more interested in throwing away 10,000-20,000 dollars or more on a side by side so they can go mudding
-Guys want a boat (God knows what that costs) to go to the lake and ride around in circles and drink beer
-Parents aren't getting their kids involved in the sport. Pretty much everybody gets divorced which costs a fortune and makes getting kids involved in something like MX extremely difficult.
-Everybody's fucking fat and that doesn't mesh with motocross as well as it does fantasy football or riding ATVs at some stupid mud hole
Local MX can definetely make a comeback but it's going to take a shift in priorities among young males and exposure to the masses has got to be higher.
girlfriend ran off with a guy in a diesel with a quad and a boat did she???

j/k
but man these high school kids have nicer trucks than I do. I was just happy to have a car in high school.

so much so im gonna live vicariously through my son and buy him an El Camino for his first car/truck lol.

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