Stewart in a KTM / HONDA bidding war

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5/31/2010 4:29pm Edited Date/Time 4/17/2016 11:16pm
I think JS signed with L&M specifically to do SX only. Even though he's the fastest rider, he seems to lack the heart to race outdoors. I think it's lame. He's in the prime of his life and should be racing MX as well. You'd never hear RC say, "I don't feel like racing the nationals." I could only imagine what Hannah thinks of JS...
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mxvet37 wrote:
I think JS signed with L&M specifically to do SX only. Even though he's the fastest rider, he seems to lack the heart to race outdoors...
I think JS signed with L&M specifically to do SX only. Even though he's the fastest rider, he seems to lack the heart to race outdoors. I think it's lame. He's in the prime of his life and should be racing MX as well. You'd never hear RC say, "I don't feel like racing the nationals." I could only imagine what Hannah thinks of JS...
No offense to Hannah but I think James has earned a break.
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I agree that it would be a move just not sure if it's a great move. There's a huge downside risk for a company to come...
I agree that it would be a move just not sure if it's a great move. There's a huge downside risk for a company to come in and hire a guy that is a proven winner. Especially since that guy has raced one race in the last year or so and is coming off of a injury that has ended careers of some greats like RJ. They really don't know for sure what they're going to get til he races.. The other downside risks I'm talking about is what if JS gets on the KTM and never wins?? You know the boards and the mx mags are going to have a field day saying stuff like "KTM can't win" and "switching to KTM ruined James Stewart". He used to win but for some reason now he can't so since he's on a KTM let's blame the bike.. And then there's the people that will say crap even if he does win. Stuff like like " it's not the bike because James can win on anything". I think they're better off bringing over someone like Cairoli like they are Musquin. That's a win win situation for them.
True; I understand what your saying
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No offense to Hannah but I think James has earned a break.
Why is that? Just curious ......

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Masonry wrote:
No offense to Hannah but I think James has earned a break.
bobby397 wrote:
Why is that? Just curious ......
James has given up his life to be the best since he was three years old. Motocross was never simply for fun.
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Masonry wrote:
Signing James would be a great move for KTM. You better believe that KTM will step up their program in the USA if James is riding...
Signing James would be a great move for KTM. You better believe that KTM will step up their program in the USA if James is riding their bike.
bobby397 wrote:
i'd have to agree, Right now KTM is trying to step up their racing efforts in the USA and could do so by hiring a high...
i'd have to agree, Right now KTM is trying to step up their racing efforts in the USA and could do so by hiring a high profiled proven winner such as JS7
I agree that it would be a move just not sure if it's a great move. There's a huge downside risk for a company to come...
I agree that it would be a move just not sure if it's a great move. There's a huge downside risk for a company to come in and hire a guy that is a proven winner. Especially since that guy has raced one race in the last year or so and is coming off of a injury that has ended careers of some greats like RJ. They really don't know for sure what they're going to get til he races.. The other downside risks I'm talking about is what if JS gets on the KTM and never wins?? You know the boards and the mx mags are going to have a field day saying stuff like "KTM can't win" and "switching to KTM ruined James Stewart". He used to win but for some reason now he can't so since he's on a KTM let's blame the bike.. And then there's the people that will say crap even if he does win. Stuff like like " it's not the bike because James can win on anything". I think they're better off bringing over someone like Cairoli like they are Musquin. That's a win win situation for them.
wow, we posted about exactly the same thing.Kinda odd, maybe this crappy weather up here is getting to us.

7 hours ago


hartebreak wrote: I think signing Stewy would be a huge mistake for KTM. If they sign him and he wins it will because he is an awesome rider and the bike doesnt really matter, so KTM wouldnt really get any props. Now if he loses everyone will be blaming the bike, just as they did with MC. I think the downside of this deal far outweighs the upside. If KTM really wants to make their bikes shine they will sign a fast yet unproven/unkown rider that takes the US scene by storm kind of like GL8 did back in 2001. I feel in recent years (post Larry Brooks) the thing that has hurt KTM more than anything is the way the team was ran. There is nothing wrong with Casey Lytle but in a world of todays "factory teams" the KTM thing has still kind of had a big rig look with a box van feel to it. It just never seemed like the team ever made the jump up to run like the elite factory teams. KTM USA needs to find a Mitch Payton or a Roger Decoster to run it. Hopefully Everts can be that guy.


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bobby397 wrote:
i'd have to agree, Right now KTM is trying to step up their racing efforts in the USA and could do so by hiring a high...
i'd have to agree, Right now KTM is trying to step up their racing efforts in the USA and could do so by hiring a high profiled proven winner such as JS7
I agree that it would be a move just not sure if it's a great move. There's a huge downside risk for a company to come...
I agree that it would be a move just not sure if it's a great move. There's a huge downside risk for a company to come in and hire a guy that is a proven winner. Especially since that guy has raced one race in the last year or so and is coming off of a injury that has ended careers of some greats like RJ. They really don't know for sure what they're going to get til he races.. The other downside risks I'm talking about is what if JS gets on the KTM and never wins?? You know the boards and the mx mags are going to have a field day saying stuff like "KTM can't win" and "switching to KTM ruined James Stewart". He used to win but for some reason now he can't so since he's on a KTM let's blame the bike.. And then there's the people that will say crap even if he does win. Stuff like like " it's not the bike because James can win on anything". I think they're better off bringing over someone like Cairoli like they are Musquin. That's a win win situation for them.
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wow, we posted about exactly the same thing.Kinda odd, maybe this crappy weather up here is getting to us. 7 hours ago hartebreak wrote: I think...
wow, we posted about exactly the same thing.Kinda odd, maybe this crappy weather up here is getting to us.

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hartebreak wrote: I think signing Stewy would be a huge mistake for KTM. If they sign him and he wins it will because he is an awesome rider and the bike doesnt really matter, so KTM wouldnt really get any props. Now if he loses everyone will be blaming the bike, just as they did with MC. I think the downside of this deal far outweighs the upside. If KTM really wants to make their bikes shine they will sign a fast yet unproven/unkown rider that takes the US scene by storm kind of like GL8 did back in 2001. I feel in recent years (post Larry Brooks) the thing that has hurt KTM more than anything is the way the team was ran. There is nothing wrong with Casey Lytle but in a world of todays "factory teams" the KTM thing has still kind of had a big rig look with a box van feel to it. It just never seemed like the team ever made the jump up to run like the elite factory teams. KTM USA needs to find a Mitch Payton or a Roger Decoster to run it. Hopefully Everts can be that guy.


lol.. Shit pretty damn close.I guess if would of read yours I could of just agreed and saved the time typing.. I guess great NW minds think alike.
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motokiwi wrote:
According to this Stewart is in a bidding war between KTM and Honda...
http://moto.mpora.com/news/bidding-war-james-stewart.html
DanDunes has a great point, WideOpen get off the 350's exhaust already. I understand you feel its a great machine. Try not to blend the two. MC's deal was a combination of things. If James goes to KTM who is the manager? Rumors are of Everts coming in 2011 as manager for Musquin and Alessi. Where would James fit? Heart and Hunnington are going orange and then there will be the Red Bull KTM team with those stated above. This leaves James and Larry doing there own thing again but not under KTM. A risk James is still not willing to take.
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5/31/2010 5:34pm Edited Date/Time 5/31/2010 5:34pm
Masonry wrote:
No offense to Hannah but I think James has earned a break.
bobby397 wrote:
Why is that? Just curious ......
Masonry wrote:
James has given up his life to be the best since he was three years old. Motocross was never simply for fun.
I'm sick of hearing that shit. Just about every rider out there has dedicated their lives to the sport since they were 3-4-5 years old and I seldom hear any one of them complain and they all make 5% what JS makes. Shit I even started at 4 yrs old and I raced outdoors for free for 20 years. In fact I paid upwards of 30-40k a year out of my own pocket.. Which was like 80% of my income.. You can ask my exwife if i'm exaggerating..lol
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My first thought is that if Stewart doesn't win, it would really hurt KTM.

But, KTM's existing market is mainly off-road riders (WORCS type guys), who couldn't really care how Stewart does, that's where KTM is really established in the US. They don't have a huge presence in US SX / MX. The exposure can only be good for KTM. Also KTM riders tend to be very loyal, they aren't going to jump ship if Stewart doesn't win. I think these reasons are why KTM didn't get killed by the whole McGrath debohcle. It would be a great move for KTM to go for Stewart.

IMO todays KTM's (relative to their competition) are much better than Suzuki was in 97'.
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James will look back someday and say, " what the hell was I thinking, not racing the nationals, I could have won some more championships. I will get a break eventually, and the 'real' life is pretty lame. Being a 'moto-star' is way better." Because, even if your the best, if you don't show up, your just a loser.
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Seems like KTM has already won people over with the new bike. But they prolly want a SX title under their belt, and maybe a Nats title as well, and they will use that in their favour despite having the favourite rider who would win on anything.


But based on recent performance from Stew I would only pay after performance, but I would pay good money. But Stew will prolly look for a safe way? Choose the ones offering him a good combo in base salary and performance bonus.


Dunno how much PR James is worth though? Those digging him really buy bikes? Or the title so damn important?


He will earn a couple of extra millions despite the outcome... Smile
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I'm sick of hearing that shit. Just about every rider out there has dedicated their lives to the sport since they were 3-4-5 years old and...
I'm sick of hearing that shit. Just about every rider out there has dedicated their lives to the sport since they were 3-4-5 years old and I seldom hear any one of them complain and they all make 5% what JS makes. Shit I even started at 4 yrs old and I raced outdoors for free for 20 years. In fact I paid upwards of 30-40k a year out of my own pocket.. Which was like 80% of my income.. You can ask my exwife if i'm exaggerating..lol
Well I'm sorry to hear that but James can also do what he wants now that he has earned his money. Ever since that guy has turned pro he has taken a beating. He has always pushed the limit more than any rider ever to win and he has paid for it and been paid for it. He is looking at his income and his life and assessing whether its worth it to beat up his body like that anymore. I am not going to get on my soapbox and cry about it
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Red Bull. KTM or Honda. Thats the choice.
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mxvet37 wrote:
I think JS signed with L&M specifically to do SX only. Even though he's the fastest rider, he seems to lack the heart to race outdoors...
I think JS signed with L&M specifically to do SX only. Even though he's the fastest rider, he seems to lack the heart to race outdoors. I think it's lame. He's in the prime of his life and should be racing MX as well. You'd never hear RC say, "I don't feel like racing the nationals." I could only imagine what Hannah thinks of JS...
Masonry wrote:
No offense to Hannah but I think James has earned a break.
Shit how much more time off does he need? He didnt look like he was putting it down before he got hurt. Maybe he has lost it, and he knows it.
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I guess that's up to him and his doctors, not the motoboard clowns.

BTW: I understand that Hannah was a true champion, and my hat's off to him for being part of moto history.

With that said, I don't care what he thinks.
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bobby397 wrote:
Why is that? Just curious ......
Masonry wrote:
James has given up his life to be the best since he was three years old. Motocross was never simply for fun.
I'm sick of hearing that shit. Just about every rider out there has dedicated their lives to the sport since they were 3-4-5 years old and...
I'm sick of hearing that shit. Just about every rider out there has dedicated their lives to the sport since they were 3-4-5 years old and I seldom hear any one of them complain and they all make 5% what JS makes. Shit I even started at 4 yrs old and I raced outdoors for free for 20 years. In fact I paid upwards of 30-40k a year out of my own pocket.. Which was like 80% of my income.. You can ask my exwife if i'm exaggerating..lol
Yeah, I hear ya. But winning all the time inserts quite a bit more stress to the situation as far as expectations, sponsors, the business aspect and all...

I'm only bringing up what I hear time after time from the pro riders. When the stress of it all is off their shoulders, they ride their best and have fun. Look at Dungey for instance, look at Canard on the 450. Both recent examples of what can be accomplished by great riders when the stress of expectations aren't a factor.

James has been dealing with the expectation to podium his whole life. That's not something the average dude can deal with for about 20 years.

I think he's done great, and is doing fine.
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James wont go to KTM because he knows Everts will beat him round the practice track!
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James has given up his life to be the best since he was three years old. Motocross was never simply for fun.
Its his JOB. He is paid to do ride he chose to do it. Im sure some of you dont like your jobs and feel like taking a "break" but In reality you cant do that.
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How does that saying go? Make it while you can! hard to blame him..as long as he gets the results then he can do what he...
How does that saying go? Make it while you can! hard to blame him..as long as he gets the results then he can do what he wants in my book.
Well said. I healthy career of about 10 years - if you are lucky. James has been very lucky over the years.

Congrats to him for being in his position.
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Masonry wrote:
James has given up his life to be the best since he was three years old. Motocross was never simply for fun.
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Its his JOB. He is paid to do ride he chose to do it. Im sure some of you dont like your jobs and feel like...
Its his JOB. He is paid to do ride he chose to do it. Im sure some of you dont like your jobs and feel like taking a "break" but In reality you cant do that.
His job is actually to race Supercross. Unfortunately he got hurt and wasn't able to do it.
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KTM should sign him to an outdoor-only contract. You don't sell bikes to average motocross riders by winning SXs. Give him the ooption of a 450...
KTM should sign him to an outdoor-only contract. You don't sell bikes to average motocross riders by winning SXs. Give him the ooption of a 450 or 350 at every track and he'll go 24-0 easily.
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Or he won't and he'll have a built in excuse. :unsure: James could win on a pit bike, but it would be fun to see him...
Or he won't and he'll have a built in excuse. Unsure

James could win on a pit bike, but it would be fun to see him ring out a 350 thats lighter.
The 350 weighs 230 pounds. The same as the 450's.
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How does that saying go? Make it while you can! hard to blame him..as long as he gets the results then he can do what he...
How does that saying go? Make it while you can! hard to blame him..as long as he gets the results then he can do what he wants in my book.
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Well said. I healthy career of about 10 years - if you are lucky. James has been very lucky over the years. Congrats to him for...
Well said. I healthy career of about 10 years - if you are lucky. James has been very lucky over the years.

Congrats to him for being in his position.
Im not even close to what you would call a Stewart fan, But I agree. The guy can do whatever he wants, hes been doing it all his life. If he wants to take time off with a supercross only contract, then who cares. If he wants to make a fairly mediocre reality show then fine. Do it. Its his life. Its about being happy. it will extend his career, and it is a JOB, so being there longer is better.
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MC lost that title due to a flat tire on Charlotte that year ......the points lost allowed Emig to win the title, no disrespect to emig but MC lost it due to a flat tire he had the title in the bag until he lost all of thos points.

As for KTM that new 350 not only has more than enought power just like I said it would but with that new frame and linkage .....I am thinking the frame is more credit to the machine than the linkage but in the races Ive seen on it so far it looks to be one of the best handling most planted bikes on the circuit same goes with the new 250f..... The PDS problems were dure to flex in the frame that made the bike hard to make competitive....That's what preston said the frame flexed too much for SX

I think KTM would do great by signing James to ride the 350 indoors they really don't have a good SX rider on their roster this year and with the leadership of Everts Im thinking 2011 will be an awesome year for KTM James would dominate on that 350 indoors.....Alessi isn't much of an SX rider.....and after yet again seeing the 350 holeshotting the USGP and not giving up one inch on any of GH's uphills that bike is more than potent enough to win and you can guarantee the Japanese have got to be shaking in their boots seeing that 350 leading the best 450 riders on 3 of the 4 moto's so far Hangtown and the USGP has more than proven the bike's capability to be competitive and the Japanese will follow the 350 engine soon mark my words.....I see KTM taking a large market share this year over the Japanese.....maybe not the biggest in sales but they will gain a lot of ground this year, the Japanese know it too and willl drop a 350 on us a lot sooner than you think.
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Masonry wrote:
Signing James would be a great move for KTM. You better believe that KTM will step up their program in the USA if James is riding...
Signing James would be a great move for KTM. You better believe that KTM will step up their program in the USA if James is riding their bike.
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i'd have to agree, Right now KTM is trying to step up their racing efforts in the USA and could do so by hiring a high...
i'd have to agree, Right now KTM is trying to step up their racing efforts in the USA and could do so by hiring a high profiled proven winner such as JS7
I agree that it would be a move just not sure if it's a great move. There's a huge downside risk for a company to come...
I agree that it would be a move just not sure if it's a great move. There's a huge downside risk for a company to come in and hire a guy that is a proven winner. Especially since that guy has raced one race in the last year or so and is coming off of a injury that has ended careers of some greats like RJ. They really don't know for sure what they're going to get til he races.. The other downside risks I'm talking about is what if JS gets on the KTM and never wins?? You know the boards and the mx mags are going to have a field day saying stuff like "KTM can't win" and "switching to KTM ruined James Stewart". He used to win but for some reason now he can't so since he's on a KTM let's blame the bike.. And then there's the people that will say crap even if he does win. Stuff like like " it's not the bike because James can win on anything". I think they're better off bringing over someone like Cairoli like they are Musquin. That's a win win situation for them.
While I see your point, I have to disagree. It seems that KTM is finally getting serious about motocross in the US, which they've never really done, and you're suggesting that they bring over some Euro riders?

No disrespect to Cairoli and MUsquin, but KTM need a big name US rider (or at least an established AMA star if not an actual American) to headline their effort next year. On top of that, I believe they need one or more riders who are also capable in SX as well as MX. On those criteria the list starts getting short - Stewart, Reed, RV, Dungey - I think if they don't have one of those guys they've missed their mark. Anyone else and I think they'd be signalling that they're satisfied with Top 5 results and that's not their MO.

KTM have been down that path already in the US with hiring fringe riders, Euros who are unproven in SX, or guys that are in the twilight of their career. This time it has to be different and they have shown in other disciplines when they're serious they're not afraid to go after the best riders.
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Masonry wrote:
No offense to Hannah but I think James has earned a break.
bobby397 wrote:
Why is that? Just curious ......
Masonry wrote:
James has given up his life to be the best since he was three years old. Motocross was never simply for fun.
How do you know what James Stewart thinks? Maybe you do but I am curious as to how you know this sort of stuff.
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Red Bull. KTM or Honda. Thats the choice.
what made that so obvious?
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While I see your point, I have to disagree. It seems that KTM is finally getting serious about motocross in the US, which they've never really...
While I see your point, I have to disagree. It seems that KTM is finally getting serious about motocross in the US, which they've never really done, and you're suggesting that they bring over some Euro riders?

No disrespect to Cairoli and MUsquin, but KTM need a big name US rider (or at least an established AMA star if not an actual American) to headline their effort next year. On top of that, I believe they need one or more riders who are also capable in SX as well as MX. On those criteria the list starts getting short - Stewart, Reed, RV, Dungey - I think if they don't have one of those guys they've missed their mark. Anyone else and I think they'd be signalling that they're satisfied with Top 5 results and that's not their MO.

KTM have been down that path already in the US with hiring fringe riders, Euros who are unproven in SX, or guys that are in the twilight of their career. This time it has to be different and they have shown in other disciplines when they're serious they're not afraid to go after the best riders.
(KTM have been down that path already in the US with hiring fringe riders, Euros who are unproven in SX, or guys that are in the twilight of their career. )


pro circuit has done the samething for years and has been very successfull in doing so.... so that doesnt help your case. i believe they need to get their amateur support together and start raising future champions that are brand loyal as kawasaki and suzuki has been doing. having Musquin and Cairoli over here will give the team some exposer as they are current champs on the otherside of the world.
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([b]KTM have been down that path already in the US with hiring fringe riders, Euros who are unproven in SX, or guys that are in the...
(KTM have been down that path already in the US with hiring fringe riders, Euros who are unproven in SX, or guys that are in the twilight of their career. )


pro circuit has done the samething for years and has been very successfull in doing so.... so that doesnt help your case. i believe they need to get their amateur support together and start raising future champions that are brand loyal as kawasaki and suzuki has been doing. having Musquin and Cairoli over here will give the team some exposer as they are current champs on the otherside of the world.
Pro circuit hires fringe riders? since when?

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