TC41 vs. FIM

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FI2T 2/17/2016 4:47pm
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I just want to hear his idea's on "10 times better"!
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I think the biggest bone of contention was that this was a section that pretty universally 450 guys were doing as a triple-double. For the contact in question, I think Trey did it as a double-triple. I think the discussion was about whether he should do that or not.
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GuyB wrote:
I think the biggest bone of contention was that this was a section that pretty universally 450 guys were doing as a triple-double. For the contact...
I think the biggest bone of contention was that this was a section that pretty universally 450 guys were doing as a triple-double. For the contact in question, I think Trey did it as a double-triple. I think the discussion was about whether he should do that or not.
ok agreed, Trey under the heat of the battle could make better decisions....just like everyone else!! I have had enough time/rapport w/Trey to know there isn't a mean spirit involved at all. for there is time and place to discuss issues, contingent on when this was brought up I don't see Trey tapping anyone on the chest UNLESS it was deserving. looking for 41 to be on the box soon to keep all interesting...can't wait for next Saturday!!
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GuyB 2/17/2016 5:21pm
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Coyote wrote:
ok agreed, Trey under the heat of the battle could make better decisions....just like everyone else!! I have had enough time/rapport w/Trey to know there isn't...
ok agreed, Trey under the heat of the battle could make better decisions....just like everyone else!! I have had enough time/rapport w/Trey to know there isn't a mean spirit involved at all. for there is time and place to discuss issues, contingent on when this was brought up I don't see Trey tapping anyone on the chest UNLESS it was deserving. looking for 41 to be on the box soon to keep all interesting...can't wait for next Saturday!!
I think everyone gets heated at times. I've had about four really odd encounters with people over the last four days over the most benign stuff.

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GrapeApe 2/17/2016 5:28pm
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GuyB wrote:
I think the biggest bone of contention was that this was a section that pretty universally 450 guys were doing as a triple-double. For the contact...
I think the biggest bone of contention was that this was a section that pretty universally 450 guys were doing as a triple-double. For the contact in question, I think Trey did it as a double-triple. I think the discussion was about whether he should do that or not.
I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't know if Canard was riding recklessly or not, but that sounds absurd. He needs to stick to the same rhythm as everyone else?
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Bro, does anybody even lift?
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kakarot 2/17/2016 5:42pm
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This is what started all the Trey bashing.You really believe Chad did not know Trey was going to the inside,also notice not a single rider ran the inside line in that clip.Reed was trying cover the inside and cross jumped to do so. https://youtu.be/uidvHFB2jf4
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olds cool 2/17/2016 6:17pm
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So, to boil it all down, does this mean Trey won't be riding for KTM any time in the foreseeable future? Based on what mom said, I'm pretty sure RCH is out of the question. Silly
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Jimmy_Sloan 2/17/2016 7:02pm
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Canard has a history of bad choices on the track, Dungey does not.
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PEPE001 2/17/2016 7:16pm
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Jimmy_Sloan wrote:
Canard has a history of bad choices on the track, Dungey does not.
Does it mean that RD does not make pure decisions?

The T-Bone from JS was definitely one!
Alessi got a penalty doing something similar in ATL 2 Years ago.

From my point of view similar story different view.
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SEEMEFIRST 2/17/2016 8:27pm
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"No one ever touches an official in an inflammatory way" was my rule in 15 years as a track official.
However, if said track official was an idiot, there will be investigation.

I have no dog in this, but it sounds one sided to me.
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Mit12 2/17/2016 8:41pm
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Why people are trying to relate the dungey canard incident with the dungey Stewart incident is beyond me. Let it go. It was a racing incident...
Why people are trying to relate the dungey canard incident with the dungey Stewart incident is beyond me. Let it go. It was a racing incident. Dungey wasn't pulled aside because he doesn't have a "history" of bonehead moves. Every single rider will be involved in some sort of racing incident throughout their careers so it's to be expected. I love canard, but no one here can deny that it's been discussed in great deal that canard makes poor split second decisions. It has happened numerous times. It's very, very rare however that canard does these things with intent. Which is why he has never been fined or penalized. Gallegher was telling him to be more careful. Things got a little heated and this thing got over blown. Gallegher and canard will hash things out and everything will be fine. But us vitards will continue to talk about it and blow it out of proportion. Happens every time!
100% correct.
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GuyB wrote:
I think the biggest bone of contention was that this was a section that pretty universally 450 guys were doing as a triple-double. For the contact...
I think the biggest bone of contention was that this was a section that pretty universally 450 guys were doing as a triple-double. For the contact in question, I think Trey did it as a double-triple. I think the discussion was about whether he should do that or not.
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I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't know if Canard was riding recklessly or not, but that sounds absurd. He needs to...
I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't know if Canard was riding recklessly or not, but that sounds absurd. He needs to stick to the same rhythm as everyone else?
I would say it was more that riders around him wouldn't be expecting it and he obviously did it close enough to hit Dungey who wasn't expecting him to do it but yeah it's seems to me a bit rich to complain..
Maybe Decoster and Gallagher were suggesting he try different rhythms at a safer time ie when he's the only one in the lane..

but all I've got to go on is this thread haha so I'm prepared to be corrected in whatever way necessary
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kiwifan 2/17/2016 11:02pm
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Perhaps Callagher has been looking at all the fecking idiots on here talking about Canard and his alleged bad decisions and now believes it himself. Very sad.

Dungey jumps into his line and its fecking Canards fault? Are you guys fecking serious???

I am sure all you idiots can do a better job than Canard and would ride the perfect line, make the perfect decision every single lap, oh thats right you cant...

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Crush 2/17/2016 11:06pm
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Jimmy_Sloan wrote:
Canard has a history of bad choices on the track, Dungey does not.
PEPE001 wrote:
Does it mean that RD does not make pure decisions? The T-Bone from JS was definitely one! Alessi got a penalty doing something similar in ATL...
Does it mean that RD does not make pure decisions?

The T-Bone from JS was definitely one!
Alessi got a penalty doing something similar in ATL 2 Years ago.

From my point of view similar story different view.
Maybe go look at a replay of those incidents again....
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c_dub 2/17/2016 11:21pm
2/17/2016 11:21pm Edited Date/Time 2/17/2016 11:44pm
Hmmm....all I can conclude from this is that Decoster has more pull than Jesus.
Aceofspades 2/18/2016 12:05am
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GrapeApe wrote:
I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't know if Canard was riding recklessly or not, but that sounds absurd. He needs to...
I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't know if Canard was riding recklessly or not, but that sounds absurd. He needs to stick to the same rhythm as everyone else?
That sounds like the kind of nonsense that nascar drivers would whine about. Wanting someone to stick to a certain rhythm, I mean.
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CASH476 2/18/2016 12:09am
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The article states "apparently Dungey jumped across Canards line". If either rider had actually said that wouldn't it be quoted like the rest of the article.

Maybe the journalist made some assumptions.

Maybe he didn't

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KICKERMAN360 2/18/2016 2:17am
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If it was similar to what Reed did on Canard as posted earlier then it is totally not Canard's fault. We all hate it when riders cross-jump at our local tracks so how is it not the same for our professional racers? You know what options the guy has, you can't stop during a rhythm section too easily? It's like jumping in front of a car and being surprised when it hits you. Also, Dungey T-Boned Stewart and ruined his run at the championship so gotta take the good with the bad. Most of Canard's crashes were not due to bad decisions in my opinion. Just because most of the riders jump a section a certain way does not mean it is a) the fastest way or b) the best way for everyone. Canards job is to go the fastest HE can go. They should design better tracks if they think problems will arise like this. You think Stewart was being told to ride smarter when he quads a whole section? Give TC41 a break...
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I suppose you wern't around or forgot but when js7 was Bubba 259 NoOne has ever run into or onto as many other riders. I do...
I suppose you wern't around or forgot but when js7 was Bubba 259 NoOne has ever run into or onto as many other riders.
I do agree Trey does seem to find these incidents and its usually when he gets a shitty start and buried in the pack.
No I remember, at no point have I said that this is something that is exclusive to Canard. Many people have done it over their career, Stewart, RC at times, the key is how you learn from it. Canard might, but as yet he hasn't, he seems to make the same mistakes and have similar incidents. My point is, if people continue to just say 'oh bad luck Trey' everytime it happens then nothing is going to change. They'd be better off trying to figure out what they can do differently to stop it happening
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2smokRRR 2/18/2016 4:43am
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Jimmy_Sloan wrote:
Canard has a history of bad choices on the track, Dungey does not.
Dude that js7 t-bone was the stupidest move ive seen in a while..although since no one has stepped up to the plate and he knocked the fastest guy out cold...perhaps not so stupid.
Reefer Sutherland 2/18/2016 5:00am
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Hey, Trey

Remember when Chad Reed barely nudged a guy, and the guy he nudged over-reacted.. and as a result Reed got disciplined by Gallagher?
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Fearo 2/18/2016 5:26am
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GuyB wrote:
I think the biggest bone of contention was that this was a section that pretty universally 450 guys were doing as a triple-double. For the contact...
I think the biggest bone of contention was that this was a section that pretty universally 450 guys were doing as a triple-double. For the contact in question, I think Trey did it as a double-triple. I think the discussion was about whether he should do that or not.
IF that's the case, then whoa, that is absolutely fucking retarded. I'll be the first to say Canard makes terrible decisions sometimes, but every rider should be able to do the obstacles in any way they chose as long as it's in a straight line and not endangering other riders on the track. That reminds me of the AMA changing a bunch of tracks in James' heyday so he wouldn't be able to huck any massive quads that weren't intended to be jumped.

You build the track, and then you let THE RIDERS decide how they want to race it, not the other way around.
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stremme12 2/18/2016 5:37am
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Reefer Sutherland wrote:
Hey, Trey

Remember when Chad Reed barely nudged a guy, and the guy he nudged over-reacted.. and as a result Reed got disciplined by Gallagher?
You really think Trey overreacted and crashed on purpose when Reed nudged him?

You don't think maybe Reed overreacted and got himself black flagged?

Just curious which one makes more sense to you.
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Question 2/18/2016 5:45am
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Ok, Trey didn't take the best option on the track a couple times which led to a crash or contact. That comes from some lack of track time, excitment, result obligation, poor starts, or just battles/racing incident. Ok, it happens, SX is not a pom pom girls championship.

Ok, he has been warned; it is debatable but for me it is quite fair as I also think a rider out of the championship contention must be more careful & clean when racing with some that are in, let us say with the current top 3. The little issue is ok, then he did not responded, for once (as he is really respectful and a good man!), with the best manner, ok. It happens, he was heated as he was just back from the track, it could have been handled in the pits. It happens, it will be cool down very quickly, no big deal.

But come on: no need to bash him hard like that. Lately on the forum it is a slam fest on any opportunity. He has been quite injured and does't have as much track time than others. He wants to make good results so he is taking risks to make it happen. He is as fast as anyone in the top 6-7 who can all, on a good day, get a win. So when he is in the pack, yes, it is more risky as it needs to get out of it ASAP. That is racing and Canard is one of the best riders in the world, we can respect that !

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cslacker 2/18/2016 7:32am
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2smokRRR wrote:
Dude that js7 t-bone was the stupidest move ive seen in a while..although since no one has stepped up to the plate and he knocked the...
Dude that js7 t-bone was the stupidest move ive seen in a while..although since no one has stepped up to the plate and he knocked the fastest guy out cold...perhaps not so stupid.
The fastest guy is out there every week with the red #1 plate on his bike. The reason these guys race is to see who the fastest is. Stewart has no claim as the fastest guy for quite a while...
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kawirider819 2/18/2016 8:37am
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2smokRRR wrote:
Dude that js7 t-bone was the stupidest move ive seen in a while..although since no one has stepped up to the plate and he knocked the...
Dude that js7 t-bone was the stupidest move ive seen in a while..although since no one has stepped up to the plate and he knocked the fastest guy out cold...perhaps not so stupid.
cslacker wrote:
The fastest guy is out there every week with the red #1 plate on his bike. The reason these guys race is to see who the...
The fastest guy is out there every week with the red #1 plate on his bike. The reason these guys race is to see who the fastest is. Stewart has no claim as the fastest guy for quite a while...
He has the claim as the fastest guy in a straight line.
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HenryA 2/18/2016 8:55am
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Someone needs to give Gallagher the black flag (Calling Reed).
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rileymx 2/18/2016 9:06am
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I cant understand why so many here bitch about how Boeing SX races have become
...from what i see here it is supposed to be a follow the líder game, doing the same he does, even if the track allows some diferentes lines, and that becose the líder now can crossjump at will, and its the followers fault if something happens...i thought crossjumping was one of the most dungerous thing you could do on track, and could even get you in trouble in the pits....in SX its ok as long as you are one of the leaders...
Bring in motocross and let the real racing begin....this SX thing is getting to be more and more just a Barbie show for a few ladies who collect them.
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olds cool wrote:
So, to boil it all down, does this mean Trey won't be riding for KTM any time in the foreseeable future? Based on what mom said...
So, to boil it all down, does this mean Trey won't be riding for KTM any time in the foreseeable future? Based on what mom said, I'm pretty sure RCH is out of the question. Silly
That and I am guessing he won't be asked to the MXoN.

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