Is anybody honestly satisfied with these 450 Mains?

151 wrote:

One day (hopefully) we will all realize that dirt bike racing does not lend itself to the "championship series" style of racing. Other than that, the...

One day (hopefully) we will all realize that dirt bike racing does not lend itself to the "championship series" style of racing.

Other than that, the best idea I read was in regards to the starts. It might turn out to be the worst idea ever, but off the top of my head I say have heats or qualifying races during the day to determine who makes the night show. Two motos at night with gate pick chosen in reverse order of points standings. Basically Dungey gets last gate pick.

In a perfect MX world we wouldn't calculate series points at all and would base gate pick on money winnings similar to what they track in golf.

We could do a lot of good for the sport by learning a few lessons from golf and the pro bull riding tour.

Flatliner wrote:

I'll never be a fan of a system that penalizes a rider for success. Whoever the points leader is he earned that spot. It's up to...

I'll never be a fan of a system that penalizes a rider for success.

Whoever the points leader is he earned that spot. It's up to the competition to figure out how to beat that guy. Not some bs starting gate position.

Kroc started 4th? And ended up third I believe. 4th isn't a bad start. It's on him for why he didn't move up more than one spot if he's expecting to win a title this season. Same with everyone else including dungey when he isn't getting the start.

vikingBoy wrote:

I think the biggest problem is the track design, and the dynamics of the 450's. (Sanctioning body) who ever it was years ago, when they changed...

I think the biggest problem is the track design, and the dynamics of the 450's. (Sanctioning body) who ever it was years ago, when they changed there mindset as to what the supercross tracks were going to be like, i.e. To make it safer and faster. In hopes to limit early season injuries and make for closer racing. I think was just a bad maneuver on there part, not because I want to see racers get hurt, but because imo they took away the spectacle of what SX is. I want to see the best guys in the world try an take on the most demanding, obstacle ridin track. Just like how it was in the 90's. Jumps were steep and massive. Even early 2000's the tracks were much cooler to watch. Problem is, you can't have tracks like that anymore, with the massive power of the 450's, it would just be too dangerous.

Leads to my next point: I think these recent style of tracks just lend themselves to the overly aggressive block pass. How else are you going to pass anyone!!?? prior to the change in track construction, passing was more thought out, and spectacular. Not this bullying the guy out of the way, cause I have no other way to get by him! You would only see people do that back in the day that didn't like each other, or they would get frustrated from constant passing back and forth. But manly it came down to the riders attitude. Nowadays, it's almost common place, and I'm not a fan.

Let's get back actual supercross tracks! Not scaled down outdoor tracks that fit in a stadium. Then let's fit the bikes accordingly.

Icespikes wrote:

True words!!! Today's bikes have out grown indoors! 500cc was also too much! Outdoors ? There is no better! 4 strokes are so fast , dangerous...

True words!!!

Today's bikes have out grown indoors!
500cc was also too much!

Outdoors ? There is no better!

4 strokes are so fast , dangerous and predicable

2 strokes were slower , wild and exciting

Racing was crazier on smokers , no traction made it fun to watch!

Today's racing is high speed and high flying - all traction

Like ? Tractors really

Fast high flying tractors

Look closely at what's changed in the sport ?

New blood can't afford these bikes and don't have the knowledge to maintain them and grass roots racing scene keeps shrinking

At the top level!!!
The best? Has already been !! Back in the day !!!!
rc , js , cr was the best there ever was no matter what bike they rode !

.... Wait? cr is still here

that means that the guy from a decade ago is still a podium threat and the bar has been raised very little

' the sport has barely evolved '

Ryan Dungey pulling a lead ?? Is pathetic.
Please Dungey Fan boys ! Don't be upset !
I'm not disagreeing that at this point
Indoors & out Combined , the all around , current best rider in the world is
dungey

But let's also remember he's couldn't beat rv

Just like , reed , could never beat rc & js -
And just like ....
windham could never beat any of them -

chad reed only won his championships in the absence of rc & js

last summer, for the first time in years tomac showed 2005 rc , js style speed @ the first five rounds of 2015 outdoors.
, I expected tomac to be riding thus far like he did in the Oakland heat race , until now He has not .

Last summer After et broke his shoulders rd goes on & wins everything , again in the absence of rv & js.

like cr! rd's titles were won , not beating the best!

The evolution of true bad ass riders has stopped! it seems?

Anderson shows flashes , so does tomac , Roczen and Seely as well, but not at the 2005 cr level and definitely nobody in today's field is at 2005 rc or js level

rv was just shy of that level , kroc showed a few years back maybe he had it? now that's gone

Dungey does not ride at the level of the top guys from a decade ago , never could

But don't get me wrong dunge blows every other rider out of the water in the history of the sport , but just not out of the last decade!

The last decade the sport hasn't evolved

the CARMICHAEL family out did everyone so hard that it's only going in reverse ever since !
And from that era...
.... Chad Reed & James Stewart are all that's left of the best era mx / sx ever saw

mc ? was a talented loser who could out drink you ! out smoke you ! And out ride you ! All in one day!

period

mc? an mc nowadays ? mc is like your buddy that doesn't race but waxes you after he's been smokin & drinkin all afternoon , after the emig bust and wholesome carmichael family values , ethics , hard work & training took over , that made mx/sx the respectable sport it is today! The record books should start as of then , sorry to ( the original rd) roger decoster to hannah? yeah it was a different time , different bikes , but from decoster , hannah , right up until emig and mc -
.... motocrossers were a bunch of drunken hippies and that's why (no wonder?) so many people to this day, don't consider mx a REAL sport .

{Disclaimer ; not saying all the other champions before , between decoster , hannah and up to mc INCLUDED , were beer drinking pot heads , quit the contrary , I'm saying all the champions before rc were beating a bunch of drunken stoned hippies (at best) on shitty two strokes &
Watching wasted teenagers on mx bikes was way more entertaining than today's show. I'll give you that !! But the history of the sport does not need to be compared with the last decade! Different bikes ! Different times ! mx was not a REAL sport until rc quite easily dethroned mc! And got rid of all that riffraff & four strokes took over! Doesn't mean it wasn't popular ! It was ! It just that No one called it a REAL sport , they were crazy hippies called 'crazies' }

So That somehow? the way we score points is going to make MX/SX better? Is BS

95% of dirt bikes sold never see a track according to MXA

Ryan Dungey is wearing jeans on Wheaties!

General public dirt bikers are still partiers at best! (Heart)

@ the pro ranks , 5% of the bikes go in this direction , nobody cares ! Nobody in the real world knows who Ricky Carmichael is!

People knew who MC was... face it ! He was popular ! He wasn't trying to be something he wasn't ! The king of the hippy motocrossers!

Dunge on the Wheaties Box trumps them all !

Ryan Dungey might just be the most popular mx rider ever

MC close 2nd?

RC ? no one in the real world knows who RC is nor JS7 nor CR

You'd think with Wheaties on board that The commercial side of the sport is strong again like in the 90s , but people resonated with the partying mx'r more it seemed ?
and That's what mattered in the 60s 70s 80s & 90s - getting wasted - the party ended at lake havasu

2000s that shit changed

Ryan Dungey is carrying on the new world rc mx values


God bless everyone


Mx is politically correct nowadays ! It's getting better and better ! And When you see this home schooled Rick flair whopping hooligan coming up through the ranks now, no need to worry , compare him to a Bagget pre speech coach , they knocked the 'boom hower' right out of him , new teeth and off to the races he went

especially now with this rc road to supercross , it's rc's riders mill! rc is single handily , going to make sure no jlaws , emigs or hannah's ever make it to the main show again

If your looking for change in the sport ? Look no further than rc

rc continues to change the game
Few weeks ago guys were talking on here comparing careers !!
I'd say ...
js career wise is close behind rc and cr in a distant 3rd! Where he has always been!
To see cr on the podium in 2016 means the sport and riders suck ! Sport hasn't evolved since rc left!
Suzuki owed money when selling a dirt bike after paying rc

rc,js,cr got paid!!!

rc is at least repaying his debt!

Is his way the right way ? ? ?

Because if I remember correctly ?

beer drinking pot heads were buying a million cheap dirt bikes a year in the 80s early 90s and racing was awesome

I say bring back cheap two stroke riding & beer drinking rednecks any day

racing was way more exciting when everyone was high and fuk'd on squirrelly two strokes

Icespikes wrote:

True words!!! Today's bikes have out grown indoors! 500cc was also too much! Outdoors ? There is no better! 4 strokes are so fast , dangerous...

True words!!!

Today's bikes have out grown indoors!
500cc was also too much!

Outdoors ? There is no better!

4 strokes are so fast , dangerous and predicable

2 strokes were slower , wild and exciting

Racing was crazier on smokers , no traction made it fun to watch!

Today's racing is high speed and high flying - all traction

Like ? Tractors really

Fast high flying tractors

Look closely at what's changed in the sport ?

New blood can't afford these bikes and don't have the knowledge to maintain them and grass roots racing scene keeps shrinking

At the top level!!!
The best? Has already been !! Back in the day !!!!
rc , js , cr was the best there ever was no matter what bike they rode !

.... Wait? cr is still here

that means that the guy from a decade ago is still a podium threat and the bar has been raised very little

' the sport has barely evolved '

Ryan Dungey pulling a lead ?? Is pathetic.
Please Dungey Fan boys ! Don't be upset !
I'm not disagreeing that at this point
Indoors & out Combined , the all around , current best rider in the world is
dungey

But let's also remember he's couldn't beat rv

Just like , reed , could never beat rc & js -
And just like ....
windham could never beat any of them -

chad reed only won his championships in the absence of rc & js

last summer, for the first time in years tomac showed 2005 rc , js style speed @ the first five rounds of 2015 outdoors.
, I expected tomac to be riding thus far like he did in the Oakland heat race , until now He has not .

Last summer After et broke his shoulders rd goes on & wins everything , again in the absence of rv & js.

like cr! rd's titles were won , not beating the best!

The evolution of true bad ass riders has stopped! it seems?

Anderson shows flashes , so does tomac , Roczen and Seely as well, but not at the 2005 cr level and definitely nobody in today's field is at 2005 rc or js level

rv was just shy of that level , kroc showed a few years back maybe he had it? now that's gone

Dungey does not ride at the level of the top guys from a decade ago , never could

But don't get me wrong dunge blows every other rider out of the water in the history of the sport , but just not out of the last decade!

The last decade the sport hasn't evolved

the CARMICHAEL family out did everyone so hard that it's only going in reverse ever since !
And from that era...
.... Chad Reed & James Stewart are all that's left of the best era mx / sx ever saw

mc ? was a talented loser who could out drink you ! out smoke you ! And out ride you ! All in one day!

period

mc? an mc nowadays ? mc is like your buddy that doesn't race but waxes you after he's been smokin & drinkin all afternoon , after the emig bust and wholesome carmichael family values , ethics , hard work & training took over , that made mx/sx the respectable sport it is today! The record books should start as of then , sorry to ( the original rd) roger decoster to hannah? yeah it was a different time , different bikes , but from decoster , hannah , right up until emig and mc -
.... motocrossers were a bunch of drunken hippies and that's why (no wonder?) so many people to this day, don't consider mx a REAL sport .

{Disclaimer ; not saying all the other champions before , between decoster , hannah and up to mc INCLUDED , were beer drinking pot heads , quit the contrary , I'm saying all the champions before rc were beating a bunch of drunken stoned hippies (at best) on shitty two strokes &
Watching wasted teenagers on mx bikes was way more entertaining than today's show. I'll give you that !! But the history of the sport does not need to be compared with the last decade! Different bikes ! Different times ! mx was not a REAL sport until rc quite easily dethroned mc! And got rid of all that riffraff & four strokes took over! Doesn't mean it wasn't popular ! It was ! It just that No one called it a REAL sport , they were crazy hippies called 'crazies' }

So That somehow? the way we score points is going to make MX/SX better? Is BS

95% of dirt bikes sold never see a track according to MXA

Ryan Dungey is wearing jeans on Wheaties!

General public dirt bikers are still partiers at best! (Heart)

@ the pro ranks , 5% of the bikes go in this direction , nobody cares ! Nobody in the real world knows who Ricky Carmichael is!

People knew who MC was... face it ! He was popular ! He wasn't trying to be something he wasn't ! The king of the hippy motocrossers!

Dunge on the Wheaties Box trumps them all !

Ryan Dungey might just be the most popular mx rider ever

MC close 2nd?

RC ? no one in the real world knows who RC is nor JS7 nor CR

You'd think with Wheaties on board that The commercial side of the sport is strong again like in the 90s , but people resonated with the partying mx'r more it seemed ?
and That's what mattered in the 60s 70s 80s & 90s - getting wasted - the party ended at lake havasu

2000s that shit changed

Ryan Dungey is carrying on the new world rc mx values


God bless everyone


Mx is politically correct nowadays ! It's getting better and better ! And When you see this home schooled Rick flair whopping hooligan coming up through the ranks now, no need to worry , compare him to a Bagget pre speech coach , they knocked the 'boom hower' right out of him , new teeth and off to the races he went

especially now with this rc road to supercross , it's rc's riders mill! rc is single handily , going to make sure no jlaws , emigs or hannah's ever make it to the main show again

If your looking for change in the sport ? Look no further than rc

rc continues to change the game
Few weeks ago guys were talking on here comparing careers !!
I'd say ...
js career wise is close behind rc and cr in a distant 3rd! Where he has always been!
To see cr on the podium in 2016 means the sport and riders suck ! Sport hasn't evolved since rc left!
Suzuki owed money when selling a dirt bike after paying rc

rc,js,cr got paid!!!

rc is at least repaying his debt!

Is his way the right way ? ? ?

Because if I remember correctly ?

beer drinking pot heads were buying a million cheap dirt bikes a year in the 80s early 90s and racing was awesome

I say bring back cheap two stroke riding & beer drinking rednecks any day

racing was way more exciting when everyone was high and fuk'd on squirrelly two strokes

TripleFive wrote:

Can someone give me a tl:dr?

Icespikes wrote:

True words!!! Today's bikes have out grown indoors! 500cc was also too much! Outdoors ? There is no better! 4 strokes are so fast , dangerous...

True words!!!

Today's bikes have out grown indoors!
500cc was also too much!

Outdoors ? There is no better!

4 strokes are so fast , dangerous and predicable

2 strokes were slower , wild and exciting

Racing was crazier on smokers , no traction made it fun to watch!

Today's racing is high speed and high flying - all traction

Like ? Tractors really

Fast high flying tractors

Look closely at what's changed in the sport ?

New blood can't afford these bikes and don't have the knowledge to maintain them and grass roots racing scene keeps shrinking

At the top level!!!
The best? Has already been !! Back in the day !!!!
rc , js , cr was the best there ever was no matter what bike they rode !

.... Wait? cr is still here

that means that the guy from a decade ago is still a podium threat and the bar has been raised very little

' the sport has barely evolved '

Ryan Dungey pulling a lead ?? Is pathetic.
Please Dungey Fan boys ! Don't be upset !
I'm not disagreeing that at this point
Indoors & out Combined , the all around , current best rider in the world is
dungey

But let's also remember he's couldn't beat rv

Just like , reed , could never beat rc & js -
And just like ....
windham could never beat any of them -

chad reed only won his championships in the absence of rc & js

last summer, for the first time in years tomac showed 2005 rc , js style speed @ the first five rounds of 2015 outdoors.
, I expected tomac to be riding thus far like he did in the Oakland heat race , until now He has not .

Last summer After et broke his shoulders rd goes on & wins everything , again in the absence of rv & js.

like cr! rd's titles were won , not beating the best!

The evolution of true bad ass riders has stopped! it seems?

Anderson shows flashes , so does tomac , Roczen and Seely as well, but not at the 2005 cr level and definitely nobody in today's field is at 2005 rc or js level

rv was just shy of that level , kroc showed a few years back maybe he had it? now that's gone

Dungey does not ride at the level of the top guys from a decade ago , never could

But don't get me wrong dunge blows every other rider out of the water in the history of the sport , but just not out of the last decade!

The last decade the sport hasn't evolved

the CARMICHAEL family out did everyone so hard that it's only going in reverse ever since !
And from that era...
.... Chad Reed & James Stewart are all that's left of the best era mx / sx ever saw

mc ? was a talented loser who could out drink you ! out smoke you ! And out ride you ! All in one day!

period

mc? an mc nowadays ? mc is like your buddy that doesn't race but waxes you after he's been smokin & drinkin all afternoon , after the emig bust and wholesome carmichael family values , ethics , hard work & training took over , that made mx/sx the respectable sport it is today! The record books should start as of then , sorry to ( the original rd) roger decoster to hannah? yeah it was a different time , different bikes , but from decoster , hannah , right up until emig and mc -
.... motocrossers were a bunch of drunken hippies and that's why (no wonder?) so many people to this day, don't consider mx a REAL sport .

{Disclaimer ; not saying all the other champions before , between decoster , hannah and up to mc INCLUDED , were beer drinking pot heads , quit the contrary , I'm saying all the champions before rc were beating a bunch of drunken stoned hippies (at best) on shitty two strokes &
Watching wasted teenagers on mx bikes was way more entertaining than today's show. I'll give you that !! But the history of the sport does not need to be compared with the last decade! Different bikes ! Different times ! mx was not a REAL sport until rc quite easily dethroned mc! And got rid of all that riffraff & four strokes took over! Doesn't mean it wasn't popular ! It was ! It just that No one called it a REAL sport , they were crazy hippies called 'crazies' }

So That somehow? the way we score points is going to make MX/SX better? Is BS

95% of dirt bikes sold never see a track according to MXA

Ryan Dungey is wearing jeans on Wheaties!

General public dirt bikers are still partiers at best! (Heart)

@ the pro ranks , 5% of the bikes go in this direction , nobody cares ! Nobody in the real world knows who Ricky Carmichael is!

People knew who MC was... face it ! He was popular ! He wasn't trying to be something he wasn't ! The king of the hippy motocrossers!

Dunge on the Wheaties Box trumps them all !

Ryan Dungey might just be the most popular mx rider ever

MC close 2nd?

RC ? no one in the real world knows who RC is nor JS7 nor CR

You'd think with Wheaties on board that The commercial side of the sport is strong again like in the 90s , but people resonated with the partying mx'r more it seemed ?
and That's what mattered in the 60s 70s 80s & 90s - getting wasted - the party ended at lake havasu

2000s that shit changed

Ryan Dungey is carrying on the new world rc mx values


God bless everyone


Mx is politically correct nowadays ! It's getting better and better ! And When you see this home schooled Rick flair whopping hooligan coming up through the ranks now, no need to worry , compare him to a Bagget pre speech coach , they knocked the 'boom hower' right out of him , new teeth and off to the races he went

especially now with this rc road to supercross , it's rc's riders mill! rc is single handily , going to make sure no jlaws , emigs or hannah's ever make it to the main show again

If your looking for change in the sport ? Look no further than rc

rc continues to change the game
Few weeks ago guys were talking on here comparing careers !!
I'd say ...
js career wise is close behind rc and cr in a distant 3rd! Where he has always been!
To see cr on the podium in 2016 means the sport and riders suck ! Sport hasn't evolved since rc left!
Suzuki owed money when selling a dirt bike after paying rc

rc,js,cr got paid!!!

rc is at least repaying his debt!

Is his way the right way ? ? ?

Because if I remember correctly ?

beer drinking pot heads were buying a million cheap dirt bikes a year in the 80s early 90s and racing was awesome

I say bring back cheap two stroke riding & beer drinking rednecks any day

racing was way more exciting when everyone was high and fuk'd on squirrelly two strokes

TripleFive wrote:

Can someone give me a tl:dr?

downard254 wrote:

I thought they may push up closer to Dungey myself. But those who are thinking this season is boring already, either was too young, or has...

I thought they may push up closer to Dungey myself. But those who are thinking this season is boring already, either was too young, or has a bad memory of the 1996 SX season. When you tuned in, you just KNEW that MC already had it won.

hillbilly wrote:

Turn them backwards in the gate. Make them all drink moonshine before the heats. Have topless monster girls and one flagging. Mandatory backflip on last lap...

Turn them backwards in the gate.

Make them all drink moonshine before the heats.

Have topless monster girls and one flagging.

Mandatory backflip on last lap finish line double.

Flatliner wrote:

The track was like a skating rink. The riders were limited in what they could really do.

diz330 wrote:

I wish All the 2 stroke die hards would stay off the internet!! So tired of reading the same old complaints year after year. You really...

I wish All the 2 stroke die hards would stay off the internet!! So tired of reading the same old complaints year after year. You really think the sport of motocross is going to go back in time so it's more affordable for junior to buy a 125 and race? Not going to happen!!!

Canerat wrote:

Just an idea.....a 30 lap 450 main event split into two 15 lap races and the field get reversed (stagered start) for the second 15 laps...

Just an idea.....a 30 lap 450 main event split into two 15 lap races and the field get reversed (stagered start) for the second 15 laps. Points scored in both 15 lap motos and results based on the most points scored.

250 main run after the 1st 450 15 laps.

Crush wrote:

The only issue being it's still basically only one or two passes for each guy. The bikes are simply too easy for them to go really...

The only issue being it's still basically only one or two passes for each guy.

The bikes are simply too easy for them to go really fast on and there is a lot of talent who can ride them really consistently.

Practice, the top 12 were separated by 1.2 seconds on a hot lap. If they can do that without a mistake, which 4 strokes cover, then boom, no passing.

Two stroke racing made mistakes, you had to ride aggressive as hell to go fast to clear things, any bobble cost you a position.

Inversely, they were harder to ride, so there were less at the very peak of the field and the gaps between could be bigger.

I'll take the excitement of watching a rider really have to work to go fast personally. Hence, 250f main class, 125 regional class.

gspointer wrote:

The bikes are a lot better, regardless of how much Dungeys bike and program may have improved, it is literally impossible for him to approach RV's...

The bikes are a lot better, regardless of how much Dungeys bike and program may have improved, it is literally impossible for him to approach RV's skills. The current crop is a bunch of wanna-be's as proven by the fact that Windham didn't beat RC for a championship. Also Reed is there as further proof the guys on the track now just aren't as good as RC and RV.

gspointer wrote:

The bikes are a lot better, regardless of how much Dungeys bike and program may have improved, it is literally impossible for him to approach RV's...

The bikes are a lot better, regardless of how much Dungeys bike and program may have improved, it is literally impossible for him to approach RV's skills. The current crop is a bunch of wanna-be's as proven by the fact that Windham didn't beat RC for a championship. Also Reed is there as further proof the guys on the track now just aren't as good as RC and RV.

Flatliner wrote:

It's "impossible " for him to approach rv skills. Man there's some dumb stuff here but geez.

agn5009 wrote:

There's only a handful of people who bitch about it. Just because you come onto vital, you have an opinion along with 10 others who have...

There's only a handful of people who bitch about it. Just because you come onto vital, you have an opinion along with 10 others who have the same opinion it doesn't mean that's what the majority want. Believe it or not, your thinking is in the minority (majorly) and most think the way the races are run now is the correct way to do it (because it is.) Look at this thread, you have a few people whining about it (because Dungey is so much better than everyone else) then you have the majority pay their respects to his ability and what he's accomplished and say it's the way it should be. I don't think many would argue that they would like to see a few other guys step up and challenge for wins, but most of us realize it's not the fault of the event itself, its the fault of the other competitors being unable to challenge.

Icespikes wrote:

True words!!! Today's bikes have out grown indoors! 500cc was also too much! Outdoors ? There is no better! 4 strokes are so fast , dangerous...

True words!!!

Today's bikes have out grown indoors!
500cc was also too much!

Outdoors ? There is no better!

4 strokes are so fast , dangerous and predicable

2 strokes were slower , wild and exciting

Racing was crazier on smokers , no traction made it fun to watch!

Today's racing is high speed and high flying - all traction

Like ? Tractors really

Fast high flying tractors

Look closely at what's changed in the sport ?

New blood can't afford these bikes and don't have the knowledge to maintain them and grass roots racing scene keeps shrinking

At the top level!!!
The best? Has already been !! Back in the day !!!!
rc , js , cr was the best there ever was no matter what bike they rode !

.... Wait? cr is still here

that means that the guy from a decade ago is still a podium threat and the bar has been raised very little

' the sport has barely evolved '

Ryan Dungey pulling a lead ?? Is pathetic.
Please Dungey Fan boys ! Don't be upset !
I'm not disagreeing that at this point
Indoors & out Combined , the all around , current best rider in the world is
dungey

But let's also remember he's couldn't beat rv

Just like , reed , could never beat rc & js -
And just like ....
windham could never beat any of them -

chad reed only won his championships in the absence of rc & js

last summer, for the first time in years tomac showed 2005 rc , js style speed @ the first five rounds of 2015 outdoors.
, I expected tomac to be riding thus far like he did in the Oakland heat race , until now He has not .

Last summer After et broke his shoulders rd goes on & wins everything , again in the absence of rv & js.

like cr! rd's titles were won , not beating the best!

The evolution of true bad ass riders has stopped! it seems?

Anderson shows flashes , so does tomac , Roczen and Seely as well, but not at the 2005 cr level and definitely nobody in today's field is at 2005 rc or js level

rv was just shy of that level , kroc showed a few years back maybe he had it? now that's gone

Dungey does not ride at the level of the top guys from a decade ago , never could

But don't get me wrong dunge blows every other rider out of the water in the history of the sport , but just not out of the last decade!

The last decade the sport hasn't evolved

the CARMICHAEL family out did everyone so hard that it's only going in reverse ever since !
And from that era...
.... Chad Reed & James Stewart are all that's left of the best era mx / sx ever saw

mc ? was a talented loser who could out drink you ! out smoke you ! And out ride you ! All in one day!

period

mc? an mc nowadays ? mc is like your buddy that doesn't race but waxes you after he's been smokin & drinkin all afternoon , after the emig bust and wholesome carmichael family values , ethics , hard work & training took over , that made mx/sx the respectable sport it is today! The record books should start as of then , sorry to ( the original rd) roger decoster to hannah? yeah it was a different time , different bikes , but from decoster , hannah , right up until emig and mc -
.... motocrossers were a bunch of drunken hippies and that's why (no wonder?) so many people to this day, don't consider mx a REAL sport .

{Disclaimer ; not saying all the other champions before , between decoster , hannah and up to mc INCLUDED , were beer drinking pot heads , quit the contrary , I'm saying all the champions before rc were beating a bunch of drunken stoned hippies (at best) on shitty two strokes &
Watching wasted teenagers on mx bikes was way more entertaining than today's show. I'll give you that !! But the history of the sport does not need to be compared with the last decade! Different bikes ! Different times ! mx was not a REAL sport until rc quite easily dethroned mc! And got rid of all that riffraff & four strokes took over! Doesn't mean it wasn't popular ! It was ! It just that No one called it a REAL sport , they were crazy hippies called 'crazies' }

So That somehow? the way we score points is going to make MX/SX better? Is BS

95% of dirt bikes sold never see a track according to MXA

Ryan Dungey is wearing jeans on Wheaties!

General public dirt bikers are still partiers at best! (Heart)

@ the pro ranks , 5% of the bikes go in this direction , nobody cares ! Nobody in the real world knows who Ricky Carmichael is!

People knew who MC was... face it ! He was popular ! He wasn't trying to be something he wasn't ! The king of the hippy motocrossers!

Dunge on the Wheaties Box trumps them all !

Ryan Dungey might just be the most popular mx rider ever

MC close 2nd?

RC ? no one in the real world knows who RC is nor JS7 nor CR

You'd think with Wheaties on board that The commercial side of the sport is strong again like in the 90s , but people resonated with the partying mx'r more it seemed ?
and That's what mattered in the 60s 70s 80s & 90s - getting wasted - the party ended at lake havasu

2000s that shit changed

Ryan Dungey is carrying on the new world rc mx values


God bless everyone


Mx is politically correct nowadays ! It's getting better and better ! And When you see this home schooled Rick flair whopping hooligan coming up through the ranks now, no need to worry , compare him to a Bagget pre speech coach , they knocked the 'boom hower' right out of him , new teeth and off to the races he went

especially now with this rc road to supercross , it's rc's riders mill! rc is single handily , going to make sure no jlaws , emigs or hannah's ever make it to the main show again

If your looking for change in the sport ? Look no further than rc

rc continues to change the game
Few weeks ago guys were talking on here comparing careers !!
I'd say ...
js career wise is close behind rc and cr in a distant 3rd! Where he has always been!
To see cr on the podium in 2016 means the sport and riders suck ! Sport hasn't evolved since rc left!
Suzuki owed money when selling a dirt bike after paying rc

rc,js,cr got paid!!!

rc is at least repaying his debt!

Is his way the right way ? ? ?

Because if I remember correctly ?

beer drinking pot heads were buying a million cheap dirt bikes a year in the 80s early 90s and racing was awesome

I say bring back cheap two stroke riding & beer drinking rednecks any day

racing was way more exciting when everyone was high and fuk'd on squirrelly two strokes

Icespikes wrote:

True words!!! Today's bikes have out grown indoors! 500cc was also too much! Outdoors ? There is no better! 4 strokes are so fast , dangerous...

True words!!!

Today's bikes have out grown indoors!
500cc was also too much!

Outdoors ? There is no better!

4 strokes are so fast , dangerous and predicable

2 strokes were slower , wild and exciting

Racing was crazier on smokers , no traction made it fun to watch!

Today's racing is high speed and high flying - all traction

Like ? Tractors really

Fast high flying tractors

Look closely at what's changed in the sport ?

New blood can't afford these bikes and don't have the knowledge to maintain them and grass roots racing scene keeps shrinking

At the top level!!!
The best? Has already been !! Back in the day !!!!
rc , js , cr was the best there ever was no matter what bike they rode !

.... Wait? cr is still here

that means that the guy from a decade ago is still a podium threat and the bar has been raised very little

' the sport has barely evolved '

Ryan Dungey pulling a lead ?? Is pathetic.
Please Dungey Fan boys ! Don't be upset !
I'm not disagreeing that at this point
Indoors & out Combined , the all around , current best rider in the world is
dungey

But let's also remember he's couldn't beat rv

Just like , reed , could never beat rc & js -
And just like ....
windham could never beat any of them -

chad reed only won his championships in the absence of rc & js

last summer, for the first time in years tomac showed 2005 rc , js style speed @ the first five rounds of 2015 outdoors.
, I expected tomac to be riding thus far like he did in the Oakland heat race , until now He has not .

Last summer After et broke his shoulders rd goes on & wins everything , again in the absence of rv & js.

like cr! rd's titles were won , not beating the best!

The evolution of true bad ass riders has stopped! it seems?

Anderson shows flashes , so does tomac , Roczen and Seely as well, but not at the 2005 cr level and definitely nobody in today's field is at 2005 rc or js level

rv was just shy of that level , kroc showed a few years back maybe he had it? now that's gone

Dungey does not ride at the level of the top guys from a decade ago , never could

But don't get me wrong dunge blows every other rider out of the water in the history of the sport , but just not out of the last decade!

The last decade the sport hasn't evolved

the CARMICHAEL family out did everyone so hard that it's only going in reverse ever since !
And from that era...
.... Chad Reed & James Stewart are all that's left of the best era mx / sx ever saw

mc ? was a talented loser who could out drink you ! out smoke you ! And out ride you ! All in one day!

period

mc? an mc nowadays ? mc is like your buddy that doesn't race but waxes you after he's been smokin & drinkin all afternoon , after the emig bust and wholesome carmichael family values , ethics , hard work & training took over , that made mx/sx the respectable sport it is today! The record books should start as of then , sorry to ( the original rd) roger decoster to hannah? yeah it was a different time , different bikes , but from decoster , hannah , right up until emig and mc -
.... motocrossers were a bunch of drunken hippies and that's why (no wonder?) so many people to this day, don't consider mx a REAL sport .

{Disclaimer ; not saying all the other champions before , between decoster , hannah and up to mc INCLUDED , were beer drinking pot heads , quit the contrary , I'm saying all the champions before rc were beating a bunch of drunken stoned hippies (at best) on shitty two strokes &
Watching wasted teenagers on mx bikes was way more entertaining than today's show. I'll give you that !! But the history of the sport does not need to be compared with the last decade! Different bikes ! Different times ! mx was not a REAL sport until rc quite easily dethroned mc! And got rid of all that riffraff & four strokes took over! Doesn't mean it wasn't popular ! It was ! It just that No one called it a REAL sport , they were crazy hippies called 'crazies' }

So That somehow? the way we score points is going to make MX/SX better? Is BS

95% of dirt bikes sold never see a track according to MXA

Ryan Dungey is wearing jeans on Wheaties!

General public dirt bikers are still partiers at best! (Heart)

@ the pro ranks , 5% of the bikes go in this direction , nobody cares ! Nobody in the real world knows who Ricky Carmichael is!

People knew who MC was... face it ! He was popular ! He wasn't trying to be something he wasn't ! The king of the hippy motocrossers!

Dunge on the Wheaties Box trumps them all !

Ryan Dungey might just be the most popular mx rider ever

MC close 2nd?

RC ? no one in the real world knows who RC is nor JS7 nor CR

You'd think with Wheaties on board that The commercial side of the sport is strong again like in the 90s , but people resonated with the partying mx'r more it seemed ?
and That's what mattered in the 60s 70s 80s & 90s - getting wasted - the party ended at lake havasu

2000s that shit changed

Ryan Dungey is carrying on the new world rc mx values


God bless everyone


Mx is politically correct nowadays ! It's getting better and better ! And When you see this home schooled Rick flair whopping hooligan coming up through the ranks now, no need to worry , compare him to a Bagget pre speech coach , they knocked the 'boom hower' right out of him , new teeth and off to the races he went

especially now with this rc road to supercross , it's rc's riders mill! rc is single handily , going to make sure no jlaws , emigs or hannah's ever make it to the main show again

If your looking for change in the sport ? Look no further than rc

rc continues to change the game
Few weeks ago guys were talking on here comparing careers !!
I'd say ...
js career wise is close behind rc and cr in a distant 3rd! Where he has always been!
To see cr on the podium in 2016 means the sport and riders suck ! Sport hasn't evolved since rc left!
Suzuki owed money when selling a dirt bike after paying rc

rc,js,cr got paid!!!

rc is at least repaying his debt!

Is his way the right way ? ? ?

Because if I remember correctly ?

beer drinking pot heads were buying a million cheap dirt bikes a year in the 80s early 90s and racing was awesome

I say bring back cheap two stroke riding & beer drinking rednecks any day

racing was way more exciting when everyone was high and fuk'd on squirrelly two strokes

TripleFive wrote:

Can someone give me a tl:dr?

mark_swart wrote:

Wow, we have one snoozer of a race and it's time to scrap the points...the race format....the 450s....the four strokes. Maybe we should just choose the...

Wow, we have one snoozer of a race and it's time to scrap the points...the race format....the 450s....the four strokes.

Maybe we should just choose the simpler solution of chalking it up to a track that just didn't lend itself to great racing.