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Aceofspades 2/2/2016 8:40am
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The typical internet aficionado doesn't have the attention span or reading comprehension to make it all the way through a MXA bike test or shootout. And...
The typical internet aficionado doesn't have the attention span or reading comprehension to make it all the way through a MXA bike test or shootout. And just how much does Jody have to do with the mag these days? Seems there is more input from others than ever before. Other than Jody's claim to fame factory Hodaka ride, MXA has had serious factory level talent testing bikes over the decades. But I get it, Transworlds one paragraph race test is where it's at these days. As long as the seat doesn't make some bikini clad chics ass look fat it's a winner.

Don't forget about the in-depth articles on "instagram posts of the factory riders " lol. It's all about the lifestyle of mx, you know. Nobody cares about bikes anymore when I can read a three page article on the pit-bike scene in the phillipines.
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ML512 2/2/2016 8:51am
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Reefer Sutherland wrote:
I tried to stay unbiased. Then I read an article he wrote about the BMW 450 that he was supposed to race. He apparently rode it...
I tried to stay unbiased. Then I read an article he wrote about the BMW 450 that he was supposed to race. He apparently rode it 50 feet in the parking lot, turned around, tossed it on the stand and refused to ride it anymore.

He then went on a lengthy diatribe about how he has been riding bikes forever, and is so keen at determining what constitutes a good bike from a bad bike, that he only needed 50 feet from the truck to the trail head to determine it was junk.

He also added that the bikes he favors in shootouts are the ones that "listen MXA's suggestions" in the previous shootouts for the following year's bike. The fucker thinks he is the defacto R&D department for all 6 major manufacturers...

That is not arrogant. Arrogant doesnt even cover that. That's delusional. Extremely delusional. The OEMs don't give a fuck about an opinionated, arrogant old man. and if you think you can completely toss a bike to the wolves after 50 feet across a parking lot, you're higher than a kite. someone has to know what article im talking about.
I can't believe I'm saying this... but I do agree with some of your points in here.
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ML512 2/2/2016 8:54am
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Its funny how so many do take shots at MXA, yet when it comes to these shootouts, their opinion gets noticed more than the others. Its...
Its funny how so many do take shots at MXA, yet when it comes to these shootouts, their opinion gets noticed more than the others. Its obvious Jody comes across like an arrogant asshole, but when it comes to an opinion, hes usually right.

Thats BMW 450 was the perfect example, or when that Cannondale motorcycle was produced. Dirt Rider called it the bike of the year and MXA hated it, and was not afraid to say so.

MXA also never took advertising money from Tobacco or Alcohol manufacturers. I always thought that was strange, but admired them for doing so.
That's actually not an MXA/Jody decision, that's a Roland decision (the owner of Hi-Torque publications, which includes DirtBike Mag). He's deeply religious and would never allow any alcohol/tobacco ads, or any pin up style girl or girls with bikes type of photoshoots.
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ML512 2/2/2016 8:56am
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Your last two words baffle me... Maybe REM coverage? I like some of the dudes over there. Basher is cool and I have been friends with...
Your last two words baffle me... Maybe REM coverage? I like some of the dudes over there. Basher is cool and I have been friends with Stapleton forever. But claiming they are the go-to for race coverage is simply off base.
Dude... the world revolves around REM...

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mattyhamz2 2/2/2016 8:58am
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Your last two words baffle me... Maybe REM coverage? I like some of the dudes over there. Basher is cool and I have been friends with...
Your last two words baffle me... Maybe REM coverage? I like some of the dudes over there. Basher is cool and I have been friends with Stapleton forever. But claiming they are the go-to for race coverage is simply off base.
ML512 wrote:
Dude... the world revolves around REM...
Totally! Everyone knows REM is the best around!!
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Jt$ wrote:
Your last two words baffle me... Maybe REM coverage? I like some of the dudes over there. Basher is cool and I have been friends with...
Your last two words baffle me... Maybe REM coverage? I like some of the dudes over there. Basher is cool and I have been friends with Stapleton forever. But claiming they are the go-to for race coverage is simply off base.
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Dude... the world revolves around REM...
Do you even REM, Bro?
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ML512 2/2/2016 9:10am
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Do you even REM, Bro?
Been there, done that... Laughing
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
The only thing I really pay attention to from MXA is their shootouts because of the fact that they will call a manufacture out on its...
The only thing I really pay attention to from MXA is their shootouts because of the fact that they will call a manufacture out on its issues unlike most other mags. They seem to be the only ones that don't dance around and sugar coat the fact that the Hondas chassis is crap along with other problems with the other bikes. When I see or read a shootout I want to see the truth about the bikes not just what they all do well. I also like the fact that they test them over a couple months at different tracks for the shootout, not just one day at one track. Anyone remember RacerX's shootout for 2015? A short video from milestone that said the Honda won the shootout, yet not one other magazine had it in the top 3 that I saw. As for Jody, definitely arrogant but I don't pay much attention to him. Ping on the other hand, I read his Mail article every Friday!
That's funny. Your last sentence is me, but in the opposite order. I know I'm getting older when the first thing I look for in MXA is Jody's Box. Enjoy reading Ping's stuff too. There's 2 mags that frequent my mailbox. MXA and RacerX. That usually gets me through the month of "pit stops" if you know what I mean.

As far as this 50ft. BMW test rant mentioned elsewhere. I can only compare it to trying to listen to Howard Stern. I made it 15 minutes...then click.
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gt80rider 2/2/2016 9:28am
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Reefer Sutherland wrote:
I tried to stay unbiased. Then I read an article he wrote about the BMW 450 that he was supposed to race. He apparently rode it...
I tried to stay unbiased. Then I read an article he wrote about the BMW 450 that he was supposed to race. He apparently rode it 50 feet in the parking lot, turned around, tossed it on the stand and refused to ride it anymore.

He then went on a lengthy diatribe about how he has been riding bikes forever, and is so keen at determining what constitutes a good bike from a bad bike, that he only needed 50 feet from the truck to the trail head to determine it was junk.

He also added that the bikes he favors in shootouts are the ones that "listen MXA's suggestions" in the previous shootouts for the following year's bike. The fucker thinks he is the defacto R&D department for all 6 major manufacturers...

That is not arrogant. Arrogant doesnt even cover that. That's delusional. Extremely delusional. The OEMs don't give a fuck about an opinionated, arrogant old man. and if you think you can completely toss a bike to the wolves after 50 feet across a parking lot, you're higher than a kite. someone has to know what article im talking about.
I can tell you first hand that in the industry I am in (not moto) that they absolutely do listen, and really care, what the media thinks of their product... First off, the manufacturers typically know the media types from years of face to face meetings, secondly, when those media types have been right in the past the manufacturers really start to listen... If you are Joe blow you might have a legit beef with a product, but the manufacturers don't know or trust you, therefore they would never listen to you.. But when certain media types pipe up they listen to them like E.F. Hutton
Lawrence929 2/2/2016 9:28am
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video won't embed lol nevermind...
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Reefer Sutherland wrote:
I tried to stay unbiased. Then I read an article he wrote about the BMW 450 that he was supposed to race. He apparently rode it...
I tried to stay unbiased. Then I read an article he wrote about the BMW 450 that he was supposed to race. He apparently rode it 50 feet in the parking lot, turned around, tossed it on the stand and refused to ride it anymore.

He then went on a lengthy diatribe about how he has been riding bikes forever, and is so keen at determining what constitutes a good bike from a bad bike, that he only needed 50 feet from the truck to the trail head to determine it was junk.

He also added that the bikes he favors in shootouts are the ones that "listen MXA's suggestions" in the previous shootouts for the following year's bike. The fucker thinks he is the defacto R&D department for all 6 major manufacturers...

That is not arrogant. Arrogant doesnt even cover that. That's delusional. Extremely delusional. The OEMs don't give a fuck about an opinionated, arrogant old man. and if you think you can completely toss a bike to the wolves after 50 feet across a parking lot, you're higher than a kite. someone has to know what article im talking about.
I think it was "the life of an MXA test rider" I may be wrong tho I do remember reading that article
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Forty 2/2/2016 9:48am
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newmann wrote:
The typical internet aficionado doesn't have the attention span or reading comprehension to make it all the way through a MXA bike test or shootout. And...
The typical internet aficionado doesn't have the attention span or reading comprehension to make it all the way through a MXA bike test or shootout. And just how much does Jody have to do with the mag these days? Seems there is more input from others than ever before. Other than Jody's claim to fame factory Hodaka ride, MXA has had serious factory level talent testing bikes over the decades. But I get it, Transworlds one paragraph race test is where it's at these days. As long as the seat doesn't make some bikini clad chics ass look fat it's a winner.

Well done.
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WhipMeister 2/2/2016 10:05am
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Enthusiast magazines exist to sell stuff to enthusiasts.One of the ways they do that is to highlight how to improve vehicles with aftermarket equipment produced by the mag's advertisers.Advertisers get really pumped when they see their products showcased that way.That's all it is. Personally, I'm okay with it because I don't go run out and buy the latest thing just because a magazine said it was fantastic.I do like hearing about new stuff that I may not have known about.
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motomike137 2/2/2016 10:17am
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gt80rider wrote:
I can tell you first hand that in the industry I am in (not moto) that they absolutely do listen, and really care, what the media...
I can tell you first hand that in the industry I am in (not moto) that they absolutely do listen, and really care, what the media thinks of their product... First off, the manufacturers typically know the media types from years of face to face meetings, secondly, when those media types have been right in the past the manufacturers really start to listen... If you are Joe blow you might have a legit beef with a product, but the manufacturers don't know or trust you, therefore they would never listen to you.. But when certain media types pipe up they listen to them like E.F. Hutton
Jody and the MXA gang must hold a little sway, look at all the factory bikes they get entrusted to ride. Ping is a funny guy with a ton more experience than me but I still listen to E.F. Weisel when he has something to say based on how many times he and the magazine have been spot on about something whether it be a bike test or a political issue within the sport.
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Cancerman 2/2/2016 11:15am
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I have been reading MXA since the first issue with Miller. They are the go to for the tech stuff. Racer X and Trans are good for reporting the people and social stuff in the sport. Dirt bike was great under Rick Sieman's editorial. Jody likes to write and be witty and entertaining. It's his style. Some get it, some don't. Why make it personal? Ping writes so entertaining stuff, and sometimes comes off as an arrogant prick. Doesn't mean I hate the guy. Some say the same about JT$. I still read his stuff each week. I thankful that they're there for the consumer.
Mr. Robinson 2/2/2016 11:22am
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MXA is full of shit. Jody thinks he's the God of Motocross. He told a friend of mine no one had more influence over the MX industry than him. Not even Roger DeCoster.

They wrote this about the YZ250X:

(5) Clutch. It should be noted that we run stiffer clutch springs on our YZ250 two-strokes, so we are pretty sure that we will need stiffer springs on the softer YZ250X clutch. The difference between an YZ250 clutch and X clutch are as follows: 1. The clutch basket is not changed. 2. The number of springs is still five, but the X springs are 10% softer. 3. The inner hub is different, but only to the extent that the holes have been eliminated to reflow the oil. 4.The friction plates have a different pad material on them. 5. The clutch actuation arm’s cam profile is changed to make the clutch pull easier. This, along with the softer springs and a slight change in the clutch lever ratio, produces a clutch that is 20% easier to pull.


First off there are 6 six springs in the clutch. Always has. The inner hub has the same part numbers as the YZ. The friction plates are the same part number as they've been for about 25 years. The clutch arm has the same part number as it's had for 16 years. The only differences are the springs, which are the same as the 2000-01 YZ, and the lower preload washer / bolt set up.

Look it up on the parts diagram if don't believe me.

BTW- Jody boys, don't try and cover for daddy saying they're typos. It's just plain bullshit and lies.
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kiwifan 2/2/2016 11:23am
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mattyhamz2 wrote:
The only thing I really pay attention to from MXA is their shootouts because of the fact that they will call a manufacture out on its...
The only thing I really pay attention to from MXA is their shootouts because of the fact that they will call a manufacture out on its issues unlike most other mags. They seem to be the only ones that don't dance around and sugar coat the fact that the Hondas chassis is crap along with other problems with the other bikes. When I see or read a shootout I want to see the truth about the bikes not just what they all do well. I also like the fact that they test them over a couple months at different tracks for the shootout, not just one day at one track. Anyone remember RacerX's shootout for 2015? A short video from milestone that said the Honda won the shootout, yet not one other magazine had it in the top 3 that I saw. As for Jody, definitely arrogant but I don't pay much attention to him. Ping on the other hand, I read his Mail article every Friday!
You do know that everyone has their own opinion don't you...just like you clearly don't like Hondas other testers might, does MXA focus way too much on a bikes negatives...feck yes

Personally I find shootouts interesting but they don't form my final decision, I ride them myself and make up my own opinion. Most people out there might not have that luxury and base their whole decision on their favourite magazine and that's their call.

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kiwifan 2/2/2016 11:26am
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Mr. Robinson wrote:
MXA is full of shit. Jody thinks he's the God of Motocross. He told a friend of mine no one had more influence over the MX...
MXA is full of shit. Jody thinks he's the God of Motocross. He told a friend of mine no one had more influence over the MX industry than him. Not even Roger DeCoster.

They wrote this about the YZ250X:

(5) Clutch. It should be noted that we run stiffer clutch springs on our YZ250 two-strokes, so we are pretty sure that we will need stiffer springs on the softer YZ250X clutch. The difference between an YZ250 clutch and X clutch are as follows: 1. The clutch basket is not changed. 2. The number of springs is still five, but the X springs are 10% softer. 3. The inner hub is different, but only to the extent that the holes have been eliminated to reflow the oil. 4.The friction plates have a different pad material on them. 5. The clutch actuation arm’s cam profile is changed to make the clutch pull easier. This, along with the softer springs and a slight change in the clutch lever ratio, produces a clutch that is 20% easier to pull.


First off there are 6 six springs in the clutch. Always has. The inner hub has the same part numbers as the YZ. The friction plates are the same part number as they've been for about 25 years. The clutch arm has the same part number as it's had for 16 years. The only differences are the springs, which are the same as the 2000-01 YZ, and the lower preload washer / bolt set up.

Look it up on the parts diagram if don't believe me.

BTW- Jody boys, don't try and cover for daddy saying they're typos. It's just plain bullshit and lies.
I thought they went to softer clutch springs because a offroader (i.e. not pure MX focussed bike) doesn't require harder clutch springs as you (theoretically) use it less

If so, then strange that MXA should criticise Yamaha for that....unless they wanted to run a YZ250X on a motocross track....not Yamaha's fault they are doing that.

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Crisp BRAAAP! wrote:
Put a tooth on the rear sprocket, bro.
What the Fuck are you talking about??? At least MXA does Bike Tests...; I don't give a Fuck about what Ryan Dungey
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Cancerman wrote:
I have been reading MXA since the first issue with Miller. They are the go to for the tech stuff. Racer X and Trans are good...
I have been reading MXA since the first issue with Miller. They are the go to for the tech stuff. Racer X and Trans are good for reporting the people and social stuff in the sport. Dirt bike was great under Rick Sieman's editorial. Jody likes to write and be witty and entertaining. It's his style. Some get it, some don't. Why make it personal? Ping writes so entertaining stuff, and sometimes comes off as an arrogant prick. Doesn't mean I hate the guy. Some say the same about JT$. I still read his stuff each week. I thankful that they're there for the consumer.
Thank You... Some of these Douche Bags skipped Jr. High today...
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h&m_cycle wrote:
Thank You... Some of these Douche Bags skipped Jr. High today...
Huh Dry
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You guys crack me up. If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Or maybe that's just how I roll.
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I used to respect MXA but not anymore. I have been to a couple of REM races in the last few years and Jody walks around like the next coming. He has a huge ego and thinks he can play God on what bikes and even riders make it. . He has a huge issue with Honda clearly. I would be willing to bet his laptimes on a CRF 250 and a KTM 450 FE wouldn't change a bit. After watching him ride I was shocked. We all get slower as we get older, but he rides like a rank novice. For someone who is all-knowing about Moto- he should hire a riding coach. How can a guy like that tell what bike is good for the average guy? A couple of weeks ago he was running A Kit suspension -- an overly slow 65 year old guy may not be the target audience for that suspension ......It has become a joke.
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bvm111 2/2/2016 12:11pm
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I love Ping and his articles and I think the videos they do are great for recommending settings for the stock bikes! I know he was taking a dig at Jody in generality, However, from the MXA 2016 KX450 race test that is ironically on their main page today....

5) Gearing. We ran the stock gearing for almost every situation.

Just saying! Wink
Underground 2/2/2016 12:15pm
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I stopped reading MXA when I got to ride all types of current model bikes on a test track daily and found them to be completely different to how MXA said they were. Up till that time I bought the mag religiously and read every test and technical article i could and learnt about moto. Got to thank them for that. I also rode a BMW for about 200 yards and thought it was junk, and told the owner (my boss) it was junk. Guess we had the same opinion there but it didn't go down to well with the owner who bought it thinking it would appreciate in value based on it being a BMW and the limited number sold.

p.s. with air forks, do MXA recommend going up a pound or 2 to help the front end and fix the "stinkbug"?
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Ill stick to Keefer and Ping's recommendations.

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1 tooth in the front is equal to 3 in the rear.
Enlarge all the sprockets!!!!!!!
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I have had many experiences with Jody some good and some not so good. But I do not get why people are blaming Jody for the bike test, change suggestions etc. The team of test riders they have come up with those comments and recommendations not Jody. Jody had me race a couple of bikes back in the 80's and asked me for my feedback. He was never critical of what I said and he wrote down exactly what I said.

The one thing that I will give Jody props to is that he tells it like it is and he does not care who you are. To me that represents what reporting or editing is about.
Mr. Robinson 2/2/2016 3:03pm
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I thought they went to softer clutch springs because a offroader (i.e. not pure MX focussed bike) doesn't require harder clutch springs as you (theoretically) use...
I thought they went to softer clutch springs because a offroader (i.e. not pure MX focussed bike) doesn't require harder clutch springs as you (theoretically) use it less

If so, then strange that MXA should criticise Yamaha for that....unless they wanted to run a YZ250X on a motocross track....not Yamaha's fault they are doing that.
Offroad you need a lighter pull because you have to work the clutch a lot in the tight sections and you typically ride longer periods. It can get by with softer springs because the power is designed to hit much softer and smoother. The clutch can hold the smoother power easier than the hard hitting standard YZ power.
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Mini Elsinore 2/2/2016 3:29pm
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Some people truly do not care what others think of them. This can be misconstrued as arrogance. I have never found Jody to be arrogant, per se, but he damn sure doesn't care what any one else thinks of him. Hell, those fucked up Heckel boots were early proof.... Seems to me like he is living a '70's Texas kid's dream.

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