Cooper's bike malfunction

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TMV 2/1/2016 9:56am
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I thought I read that the practice mechanic put the standard tank on instead of the factory one that holds more and it just simply ran...
I thought I read that the practice mechanic put the standard tank on instead of the factory one that holds more and it just simply ran out of fuel.. I'm probably wrong though haha
You're not, that's what Metcalfe said in an interview after he was freed from his contract.
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IceMan446 2/1/2016 10:50am
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It is laughable that you guys believe it was just an electrical issue. Blue smoke=oil smoke=sad engine parts. Just because they got it bump started and...
It is laughable that you guys believe it was just an electrical issue. Blue smoke=oil smoke=sad engine parts. Just because they got it bump started and he idled around does not rule out an engine failure. My guess, which was already mentioned here, would be a faulty injector causing it to run lean...causing detonation, which causes great sadness to the combustion chamber.

I was at the race and didn't see one puff of smoke before it shut off and after he got it fired back up.

Nor did I see any when he shut it off for the interview and fired it back up.

The motor was fine.



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Joe Camel 2/1/2016 10:59am
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Skuzzy29 wrote:
[img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2016/01/31/122143/s1200_Cooper_Webb.jpg[/img]


In another thread I mentioned teams always blame electrical or spark plug.

I also posted that while a pinched hose could cause a fuel starvation problem it is highly unlikely with EFI.

I also posted vapor lock doesnt cause smoke on Any engine.


I was told I was wrong. Lolz.
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dcg141 2/1/2016 11:01am
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Looked like blue smoke, thats oil plain and simple. Only path of oil to the cumbustion chamber is via rings, head gasket or crankcase vent. Since MX bikes vent to atmosphere that leaves rings or head gasket. I say they broke an oil ring or ran hot and blew a head gasket. Both would allow the bike to refire and run a short time.

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MOTODAD422 2/1/2016 11:13am
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PRM31 wrote:
Taking the cap off to release a vacuum is not vapor lock. Vapor lock is heating a section of fuel to the point of boiling, hence...
Taking the cap off to release a vacuum is not vapor lock. Vapor lock is heating a section of fuel to the point of boiling, hence the term vapor.

Whatever happened, I'll bet that engine is not in the bike at the next race.
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So is it vacuum lock?
We call it airbound,when fuel is being consumed by gravity,and air cannot enter to replace it.
sgrimmxdad 2/1/2016 11:20am
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In one of the threads it was posted the team was riding the bike in the pits trying to duplicate the problem. If that was the case it doesn't sound mechanical to me....
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dcg141 2/1/2016 11:48am
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In one of the threads it was posted the team was riding the bike in the pits trying to duplicate the problem. If that was the...
In one of the threads it was posted the team was riding the bike in the pits trying to duplicate the problem. If that was the case it doesn't sound mechanical to me....
They really won't know till tear down. You could have a problem that you would have to get the engine under race conditions to replicate. But blue smoke is oil and it had to come from somewhere.
JamesOliver 2/1/2016 2:56pm
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Yep. Practice when Suzuki never checked in on him. What a POS move that was.
Metcalfe himself said that the bike ran out of fuel which caused that crash. The Southwick incident on the Honda was because he ran out of fuel too.
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stackman17 2/1/2016 5:40pm
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Brent wrote:
See that's what I thought. Maybe JC probably got fed up with that whole "I can't thank..." speech from Cooper... ...either that, or Savatgy probably threw...
See that's what I thought.

Maybe JC probably got fed up with that whole "I can't thank..." speech from Cooper...


...either that, or Savatgy probably threw in a few more prayers than Webb during the week.

We need a professional Evangicical to do the analysis I think...
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Move along. Nothing to see here.
Mucktub wrote:
Absolutely, so why Cooper keeps mentioning it I don't know. It's time he took responsibility for his awesome ability to ride a motocross bike, its all...
Absolutely, so why Cooper keeps mentioning it I don't know. It's time he took responsibility for his awesome ability to ride a motocross bike, its all him and no higher power I'm sure.

With regards to the bike, I'm pretty sure it will turn out to be an ignition/fuel mixture/temperature sensor problem, we have to deal with problematic engines all the time and when they are over fueling we get smoke similar to the Yamaha.
Mucktub is backwards for butkcum kinda like your posts.
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IceMan446 2/1/2016 5:42pm
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Joe Camel wrote:
In another thread I mentioned teams always blame electrical or spark plug. I also posted that while a pinched hose could cause a fuel starvation problem...
In another thread I mentioned teams always blame electrical or spark plug.

I also posted that while a pinched hose could cause a fuel starvation problem it is highly unlikely with EFI.

I also posted vapor lock doesnt cause smoke on Any engine.


I was told I was wrong. Lolz.
Did you see any smoke before the bike died? What about after he got it re-fired?
Temor a la Mancha 2/2/2016 8:09am
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A vapor-locked bike does not spew smoke out of the exhaust when it's kicked over like that (and you would have to be a retard to think that's gas vapor misting out of the exhaust). No healthy [four stroke] bike spews smoke out of the exhaust like that under any conditions, unless oil was dumped into the cylinder. That can really only mean a few things: cracked piston, toasted ring or valve. Something allowed oil to burn. That something was not vapor-lock.
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BobPA 2/2/2016 8:19am
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IceMan446 wrote:
I was at the race and didn't see one puff of smoke before it shut off and after he got it fired back up. Nor did...
I was at the race and didn't see one puff of smoke before it shut off and after he got it fired back up.

Nor did I see any when he shut it off for the interview and fired it back up.

The motor was fine.



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I watched it on tv and they were not following him, so no I did not see any while he was racing. But I sure saw a fuck load of blue smoke when he was kicking it...but I guess you missed that.
Reefer Sutherland 2/2/2016 8:22am
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These teams hack their harnesses up to make them lighter. The bike runs fine during the heat race but they start hitting it with the pressure washer (or the ol Windex/air compressor) and it gets moisture inside the loom. Ask Cianciarulo and Wilson.
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IceMan446 2/2/2016 8:23am
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I watched it on tv and they were not following him, so no I did not see any while he was racing. But I sure saw...
I watched it on tv and they were not following him, so no I did not see any while he was racing. But I sure saw a fuck load of blue smoke when he was kicking it...but I guess you missed that.
I was there, so no, I didn't miss the blue smoke.

But I did not see one puff of smoke before or after.

If a motor is letting go, it usually gives signs before it happens. And if it was completely thrashed, it wouldn't have fired back up, twice.
4thGearPinned 2/2/2016 8:24am
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Just read the article on RacerX. It's not a good look for teams to be so dishonest. is it that big of a deal to explain the real problem on a race bike? No one things these problems are going to happen on their stock bike........... We understand it's a race engine, in a race scenario, being pushed as hard as it can be and things happen. it's a much better look for the team, the rider, the bike / brand to be honest and open than putting out 3 different b.s. versions of a story trying to cover.

It's pretty sad.

This is one of the few sports where this goes on like this, bike malfunctions, injuries... etc. It's hilarious.

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mx295 2/2/2016 8:27am
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There was smoke coming out of the muffler.. So that makes it very obvious some one forgot to grease the muffler bearing and it dried out..
4thGearPinned 2/2/2016 8:29am
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BobPA wrote:
I watched it on tv and they were not following him, so no I did not see any while he was racing. But I sure saw...
I watched it on tv and they were not following him, so no I did not see any while he was racing. But I sure saw a fuck load of blue smoke when he was kicking it...but I guess you missed that.
IceMan446 wrote:
I was there, so no, I didn't miss the blue smoke. But I did not see one puff of smoke before or after. If a motor...
I was there, so no, I didn't miss the blue smoke.

But I did not see one puff of smoke before or after.

If a motor is letting go, it usually gives signs before it happens. And if it was completely thrashed, it wouldn't have fired back up, twice.
No one said the bike " let go. "

it has been said that it overheated from running too lean though, which would have caused exactly what we saw.

Not every instance of smoke in the exhaust means the engine grenaded.
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4thGearPinned wrote:
Just read the article on RacerX. It's not a good look for teams to be so dishonest. is it that big of a deal to explain...
Just read the article on RacerX. It's not a good look for teams to be so dishonest. is it that big of a deal to explain the real problem on a race bike? No one things these problems are going to happen on their stock bike........... We understand it's a race engine, in a race scenario, being pushed as hard as it can be and things happen. it's a much better look for the team, the rider, the bike / brand to be honest and open than putting out 3 different b.s. versions of a story trying to cover.

It's pretty sad.

This is one of the few sports where this goes on like this, bike malfunctions, injuries... etc. It's hilarious.

Go back to playing with your Ken barbie you whining sum bitch. It is now Tuesday and it is possible that they have yet to figure out the issue. RacerX merely copied and pasted comments from Saturday and put it together for a little snidbit of information. The team doesn't owe you shit, they don't owe you anything other than what they produce on the track, you are not entitled to all of the information. #pinkjeepsrule #playhouse

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Zycki11 wrote:
Go back to playing with your Ken barbie you whining sum bitch. It is now Tuesday and it is possible that they have yet to figure...
Go back to playing with your Ken barbie you whining sum bitch. It is now Tuesday and it is possible that they have yet to figure out the issue. RacerX merely copied and pasted comments from Saturday and put it together for a little snidbit of information. The team doesn't owe you shit, they don't owe you anything other than what they produce on the track, you are not entitled to all of the information. #pinkjeepsrule #playhouse
Bullshit they have not figured the issue out. I'll guarantee a team as professional and dedicated as Star had that baby torn down that night..
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This thread is really picking up speed now!
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Temor a la Mancha wrote:
A vapor-locked bike does not spew smoke out of the exhaust when it's kicked over like that (and you would have to be a retard to...
A vapor-locked bike does not spew smoke out of the exhaust when it's kicked over like that (and you would have to be a retard to think that's gas vapor misting out of the exhaust). No healthy [four stroke] bike spews smoke out of the exhaust like that under any conditions, unless oil was dumped into the cylinder. That can really only mean a few things: cracked piston, toasted ring or valve. Something allowed oil to burn. That something was not vapor-lock.
We have a winner. Most likely a ring/valve seal configuration that they designed to be right on the edge as is for less friction. Not like they expect a ton of time on these motors before replacement. Cracked piston would make sense too, but if they really were running it hard up and down the pits I'm not sure about that. I've seen bikes run with cracked pistons but that seems like a bit of a stretch
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Zycki11 wrote:
Go back to playing with your Ken barbie you whining sum bitch. It is now Tuesday and it is possible that they have yet to figure...
Go back to playing with your Ken barbie you whining sum bitch. It is now Tuesday and it is possible that they have yet to figure out the issue. RacerX merely copied and pasted comments from Saturday and put it together for a little snidbit of information. The team doesn't owe you shit, they don't owe you anything other than what they produce on the track, you are not entitled to all of the information. #pinkjeepsrule #playhouse
BobPA wrote:
Bullshit they have not figured the issue out. I'll guarantee a team as professional and dedicated as Star had that baby torn down that night..
So what? You still don't need the answer, only they do.
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Blown head gasket or cracked ring, either of which allowed combustion to pressurize the crankcase which then forced oil out the breather and into the intake tract (assuming they run stock routing).

Speaking of all these wiring harness problems and electrical gremlins, I'd like to point out that EFI is the most awesomest thing to ever happen to MX bikes.
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Brad460 2/2/2016 10:38am
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BobPA wrote:
Bullshit they have not figured the issue out. I'll guarantee a team as professional and dedicated as Star had that baby torn down that night..
Just because they tore down the bike "that" night, doesn't mean they know the root cause of the failure...finding the root cause can take time.

If, for example, (as mentioned above) the piston was cracked...WELL..why did it crack? A cast or forging defect? Scoring? Detonation? Pre-ignition?

Really though why is it so important to everyone?
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Just because they tore down the bike "that" night, doesn't mean they know the root cause of the failure...finding the root cause can take time. If...
Just because they tore down the bike "that" night, doesn't mean they know the root cause of the failure...finding the root cause can take time.

If, for example, (as mentioned above) the piston was cracked...WELL..why did it crack? A cast or forging defect? Scoring? Detonation? Pre-ignition?

Really though why is it so important to everyone?
Ask yourself the same question, you are the one taking time to conjur up different scenarios. You're kinda talking outta both sides of your mouth...

You Yamaha boys got your egos deflated a bit and it is really showing. Send me your addresses and I will gladly mail you a box of Kleenex.
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moto0852 2/2/2016 10:57am
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BobPA wrote:
Bullshit they have not figured the issue out. I'll guarantee a team as professional and dedicated as Star had that baby torn down that night..
Brad460 wrote:
Just because they tore down the bike "that" night, doesn't mean they know the root cause of the failure...finding the root cause can take time. If...
Just because they tore down the bike "that" night, doesn't mean they know the root cause of the failure...finding the root cause can take time.

If, for example, (as mentioned above) the piston was cracked...WELL..why did it crack? A cast or forging defect? Scoring? Detonation? Pre-ignition?

Really though why is it so important to everyone?
Why is it so important? The bike of the guy leading the Championship craps out and you wonder why we are interested?

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BobPA wrote:
Bullshit they have not figured the issue out. I'll guarantee a team as professional and dedicated as Star had that baby torn down that night..
Brad460 wrote:
Just because they tore down the bike "that" night, doesn't mean they know the root cause of the failure...finding the root cause can take time. If...
Just because they tore down the bike "that" night, doesn't mean they know the root cause of the failure...finding the root cause can take time.

If, for example, (as mentioned above) the piston was cracked...WELL..why did it crack? A cast or forging defect? Scoring? Detonation? Pre-ignition?

Really though why is it so important to everyone?
moto0852 wrote:
Why is it so important? The bike of the guy leading the Championship craps out and you wonder why we are interested?

It's important to me because I am a Yamaha guy, and also a huge motorcycle nerd, so I am indeed very curious to know what happened. Also yeah championship blah blah blah what he said, as well!
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Brad460 2/2/2016 11:16am
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BobPA wrote:
Ask yourself the same question, you are the one taking time to conjur up different scenarios. You're kinda talking outta both sides of your mouth... You...
Ask yourself the same question, you are the one taking time to conjur up different scenarios. You're kinda talking outta both sides of your mouth...

You Yamaha boys got your egos deflated a bit and it is really showing. Send me your addresses and I will gladly mail you a box of Kleenex.
You should go back and read my post..Did you miss the part where I said "As mentioned above"?

Oh..and more a Honda guy trying out a Yamaha this year.

Lastly, whatever failed on his bike is nothing like the "parts" we have on our bikes..
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Brad460 2/2/2016 11:22am
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It's important to me because I am a Yamaha guy, and also a huge motorcycle nerd, so I am indeed very curious to know what happened...
It's important to me because I am a Yamaha guy, and also a huge motorcycle nerd, so I am indeed very curious to know what happened. Also yeah championship blah blah blah what he said, as well!
I am sure it will really be life changing for you when you find out why it broke.. Dry
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