Why can't we get the same tires as the pros?

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Edited Date/Time 8/12/2015 6:17pm
Just wondering why that is.
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RPM68 8/10/2015 11:23am
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smh...


treads are the same different compound.
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montesagold 8/10/2015 11:26am
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How close are the new Dunlop's to what they are running now? I know everything i read stated that those same tires were developed over the previous few seasons. I am just curious if they are already working on somthing else. I love my mx32's in almost all conditions.
In regards to your question, I would say a big part of it would have to do with the r&d process just like with any other product. They make very limited runs of tires they are experimenting with at the time. I always enjoyed watching road racing on days they were qualifying especially at Daytona. Its crazy all the stacks of tires they go through, some engineering just good for 3 laps. One to warm up, hot lap, and to cool down.
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mxtech1 8/10/2015 11:50am
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3D wrote:
Just wondering why that is.
Just wondering why you think you need the same tire performance as the pros?
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spacecat 8/10/2015 11:52am
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I'm not sure I would want factory tires. I rate my tire wear in weeks not laps. For national level riders, I'm sure there is an advantage. For the average recreational rider, not worth it.

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Charper732 8/10/2015 11:53am
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who the hell DOESN'T need same tire performance as the pros...that's the question. Everyone can benefit from more traction.

I mean I'd be good with some tires that hooked up like a dunlop slick on a road course...just sayin.
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KTMShane699 8/10/2015 11:56am
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For the same reason we can't get "works" parts. The factories want to maintain their advantage.

Also a lot of the parts you see are for research and development.

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Roostermx58 8/10/2015 11:58am
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Probably the same reason why you can't get the same suspension and engines as the pros.
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Osaka627 8/10/2015 12:03pm
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Who says you can't? El Chupo had factory tires on his rail cart bike from what I've been hearing.

In all reality.. A little birdie told me a lot of the pro's wish they could still run their standard Bridgestone M403's.
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h&m_cycle 8/10/2015 12:06pm
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Because these guys are making millions & millions of $$$$ & it's a secret...
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MXD 8/10/2015 12:07pm
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My guess is that it would not be practical. They would probably be wore out in 1 or 2 rides as opposed to the tires the average consumer gets that last much longer.
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moto0852 8/10/2015 12:31pm
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You could or can...at least get close but it doesnt make sense.

Dunlop make the race replica tires for a while then stopped because they were not selling.
A) they were too expensive
B ) they were so soft they didn't last.

There is a company that make some incredibly soft tires that you can still get. They have amazing traction but they will only last for one race or two hard rides offroad. Can't remember the name right now but Slavens racing can order you one if you want.

mattyhamz2 8/10/2015 12:50pm
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I still say the best tire I have ridden with was the 756RR. I love the Bridgestone 403 and 404 but that 756RR was even better. I wish they still sold it. I'd pay the extra money for the traction I got with it.
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Grizz 8/10/2015 1:18pm
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Because you'll be paying more and then bitch that they don't last as long...
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Question 8/10/2015 1:35pm
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The compound can be so soft that you would get mad to change tires every motos. That is quite a budget.
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mx317 8/10/2015 1:41pm
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A friend of mine tests tires at the Huntsville Dunlop plant and told me they started testing the durability vs grip on the factory tires and changed compounds until they would last 25 laps on the SX test track. Not for your average consumer I would say.
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The Rock 8/10/2015 1:59pm
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Because the tire companies know hardly any of us lift bro
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3D 8/10/2015 2:09pm
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People, I understand how soft they are. I understand that for moto I wouldn't buy one at my pace and budget. I was just asking why. At least have the option. I switched to woods riding recently and after several tires I found an incredible tire that is very soft. It's also very heavy for the woods. The difference is incredible. I literally get traction on wet roots and rock with it. It just got me thinking how good a soft moto tire would have been and why we don't have the option.
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ML512 8/10/2015 2:22pm
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Would you want to change rear tires every time you rode? Maybe twice a day on hardpack... Laughing

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rideguy721 8/10/2015 2:29pm
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I'd most likely say 1. We don't get paid to ride a dirt bike 2. Everyone would bitch about tire wear and the biggest reason being most of us don't have the skill set to notice a difference. But where the tire companies could make a dollar is designing a tire for ideal use in 1st and 2nd gear.
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jj welks 8/10/2015 2:47pm
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One reason is because they make such limited amounts... There probabley expensive to make and it's hard to them to turn a profit idk
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downard254 8/10/2015 2:52pm
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Why can't we get chunked or bald Chen shin's. I hear those are the hot ticketTongue
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Phillip_Lamb 8/10/2015 3:41pm
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Dunlop used to sell them. They were the 756 R models. same tread pattern but it was softer.

a lot of pros use an aggressive intermediate tire but the softer compounds allow for use on harder dirt. the problem is these wear out in only a few rides.

they are good for one race maybe two. not for your average joe who needs a tire for a few months of riding
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kkawboy14 8/10/2015 4:55pm
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Because they get their tires for free and we pay for them!
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moto0852 8/10/2015 5:28pm
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Found it!!! Veerubberusa.com
These tires are amazing. Better than the 756RR 's Soft, great grip and....they will last you one race.
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JM485 8/10/2015 5:32pm
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3D wrote:
People, I understand how soft they are. I understand that for moto I wouldn't buy one at my pace and budget. I was just asking why...
People, I understand how soft they are. I understand that for moto I wouldn't buy one at my pace and budget. I was just asking why. At least have the option. I switched to woods riding recently and after several tires I found an incredible tire that is very soft. It's also very heavy for the woods. The difference is incredible. I literally get traction on wet roots and rock with it. It just got me thinking how good a soft moto tire would have been and why we don't have the option.
Are you taking about the Vee Rubber GNCC Tackee tire? I bought a rear one for endurocross a few years ago and after the race I decided to keep it on a bit longer and see how it would be on a track (plus I'm cheap and didn't want to only use it for one race). At first it seemed very unstable and when I went to whip out it would roll over on jump faces, not a very reassuring feeling. However, I tried putting more air in it and that seemed to help, but I don't really remember it being any better than a regular tire after that. I guess my point is I really didn't feel much benefit, if that helps answer your question.

Also, Dunlop has released their factory Endurocross tire this year to the public, I'm thinking about getting one for the Sacramento race but I'm having trouble justifying the price, which I think would be the problem for any works tire sold to the public. Supposedly you have to buy these directly from Dunlop as well, since the lifespan of the rubber is so short it can't sit on shelves very long. Really I think the reason they are not available generally is because of the short lifespan and high price, for most riders it just doesn't make a lot of sense I guess.
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TeamGreen 8/10/2015 5:49pm
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ML512 wrote:
Would you want to change rear tires every time you rode? Maybe twice a day on hardpack... Laughing
Ever notice that these guys only know about 1 or 2 brands of tire?

I'm running Pirelli, Michelin and Dunlop.
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BAMX 8/10/2015 9:42pm
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3D wrote:
People, I understand how soft they are. I understand that for moto I wouldn't buy one at my pace and budget. I was just asking why...
People, I understand how soft they are. I understand that for moto I wouldn't buy one at my pace and budget. I was just asking why. At least have the option. I switched to woods riding recently and after several tires I found an incredible tire that is very soft. It's also very heavy for the woods. The difference is incredible. I literally get traction on wet roots and rock with it. It just got me thinking how good a soft moto tire would have been and why we don't have the option.
JM485 wrote:
Are you taking about the Vee Rubber GNCC Tackee tire? I bought a rear one for endurocross a few years ago and after the race I...
Are you taking about the Vee Rubber GNCC Tackee tire? I bought a rear one for endurocross a few years ago and after the race I decided to keep it on a bit longer and see how it would be on a track (plus I'm cheap and didn't want to only use it for one race). At first it seemed very unstable and when I went to whip out it would roll over on jump faces, not a very reassuring feeling. However, I tried putting more air in it and that seemed to help, but I don't really remember it being any better than a regular tire after that. I guess my point is I really didn't feel much benefit, if that helps answer your question.

Also, Dunlop has released their factory Endurocross tire this year to the public, I'm thinking about getting one for the Sacramento race but I'm having trouble justifying the price, which I think would be the problem for any works tire sold to the public. Supposedly you have to buy these directly from Dunlop as well, since the lifespan of the rubber is so short it can't sit on shelves very long. Really I think the reason they are not available generally is because of the short lifespan and high price, for most riders it just doesn't make a lot of sense I guess.
There is a good review on that d756 ex tire here Essentially, it rules in rocks and slow endurocross type stuff and doesn't at moto and other higher speed stuff.
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mx510 8/10/2015 10:37pm
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I have zero desire to have a works tire, more important to me is longevity out of a tire, and I suspect works tires won't last very long.
tomcarroll31 8/11/2015 12:05am
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moto0852 wrote:
Found it!!! Veerubberusa.com
These tires are amazing. Better than the 756RR 's Soft, great grip and....they will last you one race.
Which ones in the veerubber range are the very soft ones with such good grip?!
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Jrewing 8/11/2015 2:49am
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Funny there's no love for Bridgestone. Made in Japan where the good tyres are made

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