If YZ450F goes electric start will anyone follow?

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yz414 5/14/2014 7:50pm
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this would be plenty strong for a starter and it weighs only 1lb

i have the next size up for my motorcycle and its got tons of juice even for a 4cyl
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gsxr6 5/14/2014 8:10pm
5/14/2014 8:10pm Edited Date/Time 5/14/2014 8:11pm
My 14 yz450 is easiest starting bike ever. Hot cold tipped stalled whatever.2 or 3 easy fake baby kicks starts every time. My 80 lb 12 yr old son starts it no prob. Says its easier than his cr105 supermini and yz85. No he does not ride it lol
motoarmageddon 5/14/2014 9:37pm
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YES electric start is going to be the next thing to come from the Japanese manufacturers. I have heard that Kawasaki may have an electric start on the 2015. Its a big reason people buy KTMs and the Japanese are aware of that. but damn 450s are heavy enough do you want to add 5 pounds? check out 450 race quads the fast guys choose kickstart over electric
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Katoomey 5/14/2014 10:29pm
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DTHA70 wrote:
some guy with a new ktm with a rekluse had his battery die at the track the other day, cant bump start with rekluse, no kickstarter=...
some guy with a new ktm with a rekluse had his battery die at the track the other day, cant bump start with rekluse, no kickstarter= end of your day. i love the way the new KTMs are built but removing all provisions for a kicker is a shot in the foot. dungey learned that the hard way when his battery died as well and he was left crying as all of the normal bikes rolled on by.

all of my bikes will ALWAYS have a kicker on them. not to mention life is easy when your bike starts within 2 kicks no matter what. i dont mind one bit.
TooOldToPlay wrote:
Well you may have just answered a question I had regarding the Rekluse system....I thought with more pro teams running he Rekluse, or some variation thereof...
Well you may have just answered a question I had regarding the Rekluse system....I thought with more pro teams running he Rekluse, or some variation thereof, that some of the crashes didn't result in having to restart the bike, as the system disengaged. It did seem a lot of riders who fell were able to just get the bike upright and got rolling right away. Maybe I am all wrong. It happened once before.Laughing
newer rekluse auto's have provisions for bump starting....

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lostboy819 5/14/2014 10:44pm
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DTHA70 wrote:
some guy with a new ktm with a rekluse had his battery die at the track the other day, cant bump start with rekluse, no kickstarter=...
some guy with a new ktm with a rekluse had his battery die at the track the other day, cant bump start with rekluse, no kickstarter= end of your day. i love the way the new KTMs are built but removing all provisions for a kicker is a shot in the foot. dungey learned that the hard way when his battery died as well and he was left crying as all of the normal bikes rolled on by.

all of my bikes will ALWAYS have a kicker on them. not to mention life is easy when your bike starts within 2 kicks no matter what. i dont mind one bit.
CarlinoJoeVideo wrote:
There are ways to bump start with a Rekluse. If you have a EXP it's actually pretty easy. Why didn't he jump use jumper cables from...
There are ways to bump start with a Rekluse. If you have a EXP it's actually pretty easy.

Why didn't he jump use jumper cables from his truck battery?
probably because its a bullshit story that he made up. Pinch
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coastie44 5/14/2014 10:51pm
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I had a 13 KTM with the button. Now I have a 13 KX450F and it starts easier than the KTM did. I don't see what the big deal is. I actually prefer the bike without the e start.
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coastie44 wrote:
I had a 13 KTM with the button. Now I have a 13 KX450F and it starts easier than the KTM did. I don't see what...
I had a 13 KTM with the button. Now I have a 13 KX450F and it starts easier than the KTM did. I don't see what the big deal is. I actually prefer the bike without the e start.
You must have something wrong with your mind.
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coastie44 5/14/2014 11:34pm
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coastie44 wrote:
I had a 13 KTM with the button. Now I have a 13 KX450F and it starts easier than the KTM did. I don't see what...
I had a 13 KTM with the button. Now I have a 13 KX450F and it starts easier than the KTM did. I don't see what the big deal is. I actually prefer the bike without the e start.
BobPA wrote:
You must have something wrong with your mind.
I'm 48 and ride MX every weekend. That should tell you already there is something wrong. Smile
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GuyB 5/15/2014 9:22am
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Here's what the batteries in the Red Bull KTMs looked like...a couple years ago. It was more akin to an RC car battery than a big, bulky hard case battery.

darren7878 5/15/2014 1:03pm
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I believe Van Horbeck specifically requested E start when he signed for Yamaha. And they made it happen for him.
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Any possible news about the 2016 yamahas having e-start or possibly a yz400f?
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GouldRacing25 2/23/2015 8:55pm
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The Rock wrote:
We've seen prototype electric start being utilized in MXGP this year. Have to believe Yamaha being the technology leader they are will be the first to...
We've seen prototype electric start being utilized in MXGP this year. Have to believe Yamaha being the technology leader they are will be the first to put electric start into production. When this happens do you think any of their Japanese compatriots will follow suit? Who do you think would be first?

I venture to say the 2016 Yamahas will be electric start but it will be two years after that before Honda uncorks one. Crystal ball is too cloudy for Suzuki and Kawasaki predictions.
is this the ROCK i think it is?
The Source 2/23/2015 9:06pm
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PalerBlue wrote:
You do of course mean, if Yamaha are the first to follow KTM. No?
Bam!!
neverwasfastenuf 2/23/2015 9:18pm
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DTHA70 wrote:
some guy with a new ktm with a rekluse had his battery die at the track the other day, cant bump start with rekluse, no kickstarter=...
some guy with a new ktm with a rekluse had his battery die at the track the other day, cant bump start with rekluse, no kickstarter= end of your day. i love the way the new KTMs are built but removing all provisions for a kicker is a shot in the foot. dungey learned that the hard way when his battery died as well and he was left crying as all of the normal bikes rolled on by.

all of my bikes will ALWAYS have a kicker on them. not to mention life is easy when your bike starts within 2 kicks no matter what. i dont mind one bit.
That little bit of extra weight doesn't mean sh!t to a old, slow, fat guy like me.

I agree with the mandatory kickstart lever and love the magic button combo on my 300 XC.

The chance that a pro needs both for SX and MX is minimal and not necessary but in the rough and gnarly life of racing in the trees the top guys might want both especially if running a Recluse.

For me having both options is the hot ticket.

The Japanese brands (or at least the majority of them) will probably have the button in the near future.
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stillwelding 2/23/2015 10:04pm
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PalerBlue wrote:
Just to sure, how many cars/trucks still come equipped with a starting(crank) handle? When was the last time you used the choke when starting your car...
Just to sure, how many cars/trucks still come equipped with a starting(crank) handle?
When was the last time you used the choke when starting your car?

You just can't fight progress (and win!)......
scott_nz wrote:
most open wheel race cars still dont have starter motors,
Open wheel race car drivers don't kick start their cars either.
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CR250Rider 2/23/2015 10:31pm
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the 60 hp 450 FE weighs in at 226 dry. can the yamaha 400 elec start come close?
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PalerBlue wrote:
Just to sure, how many cars/trucks still come equipped with a starting(crank) handle? When was the last time you used the choke when starting your car...
Just to sure, how many cars/trucks still come equipped with a starting(crank) handle?
When was the last time you used the choke when starting your car?

You just can't fight progress (and win!)......
scott_nz wrote:
most open wheel race cars still dont have starter motors,
stillwelding wrote:
Open wheel race car drivers don't kick start their cars either.
Bump starts in Ventura...
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craaigo 2/23/2015 11:25pm
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tek14 wrote:
who wants it anyway.. i prefer 200lbs bike over 300lbs with starter..
Ktm factory edition is 222 pounds I think. Lightest on class.

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inthebadboycorner 2/23/2015 11:56pm
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GuyB wrote:
Yes. Because starters and batteries weigh 100 pounds.
downard254 wrote:
Maybe he meant kilo's.

No, wait, that can't be right either.
Mikkis wrote:
100kg is almost 200 poundsSilly Silly
200 pounds, isn't that nearly 350 Dollars?
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Jim Lahey 2/24/2015 12:54am
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Ehhh... with a fuel injected bike I havnt had to kick my bike over more than 4 or 5 times to start it, even when hot. So I dont care. Rather not have it actually because thats more stuff to break/have to maintain
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mayzo 2/24/2015 1:51am
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I will never ever buy another new bike Mx or Enduro without E start. When I ride from my place out into the bush we have some nasty bastard rutted rocky hills, steep goat trail hills. Trying to kick a bike over off balance, on tippy toe, middle of summer, 98% humidity you'd understand.
My KTM350 weighs less than my son's WR250 anyway. That's ADR compliance for Australian road rego ready.

Though I did recently buy an old RM250 to race twin shock class, starts first kick.
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Radical wrote:
No, those are all belong. I'm serious.
Olson wrote:
Who the hell are you to decide what goes on and not? BTW how's the past going for you?
Radical wrote:
Chill out dude! It's simply my opinion, and one shared by others in this thread. Sometimes you have to go "back to the future"! When racers...
Chill out dude! It's simply my opinion, and one shared by others in this thread.
Sometimes you have to go "back to the future"!

When racers are riding around with suspension so cushy that they don't really feel the bumps, electric start, automatic clutch, with the bike changing suspension settings on the fly autonomously as the terrain changes, and the bike calculating how far to turn the throttle to land a quad perfectly every time, and the nationals are no longer gnarly because the bikes are like Cadillac's out there, remember this post.

Progress is great, but there are some things that need to remain raw for the sake of the sport.
The things I mentioned are in the future. Many of the technologies are possible today, and all will be possible in a few years. We have to decide what we want in our sport.

I say let's keep the adrenaline.

And to your comment, the Past is gone. The future is bright.
What's an electric or kick star have to do with adrenaline?
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r.sal923 2/24/2015 6:10am
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Best part about my ktm was the red button. Worst part was , it was a ktm
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downard254 2/24/2015 6:22am
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downard254 wrote:
Maybe he meant kilo's.

No, wait, that can't be right either.
Mikkis wrote:
100kg is almost 200 poundsSilly Silly
inthebadboycorner wrote:
200 pounds, isn't that nearly 350 Dollars?
Damn, that made me lol.Laughing
JamesOliver 2/24/2015 6:29am
2/24/2015 6:29am
I've seen it happen quite a few times with Dungey and some of the GP KTM riders where they stall it in a corner and have fired the engine back up again and are away before they even stopped rolling. In fact I think I even remember VanHorebeek doing it with his e-start Yamaha. Even if your bike only takes 2 kicks every time, that's still going to be a significantly longer amount of time and energy wasted and potentially positions lost compared to just pressing a button.
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Jim Lahey wrote:
Ehhh... with a fuel injected bike I havnt had to kick my bike over more than 4 or 5 times to start it, even when hot...
Ehhh... with a fuel injected bike I havnt had to kick my bike over more than 4 or 5 times to start it, even when hot. So I dont care. Rather not have it actually because thats more stuff to break/have to maintain
Just curious, what kind of maintenance do you speak of with e start? Putting a battery tender on it after a weekend ride? Im starting to think that a 1960's Yamaha DT1 would be the perfect bike for many on this forum. Low tech, low weight, low price. Perfect. Woohoo
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Radical 2/24/2015 7:34pm
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Olson wrote:
Who the hell are you to decide what goes on and not? BTW how's the past going for you?
Radical wrote:
Chill out dude! It's simply my opinion, and one shared by others in this thread. Sometimes you have to go "back to the future"! When racers...
Chill out dude! It's simply my opinion, and one shared by others in this thread.
Sometimes you have to go "back to the future"!

When racers are riding around with suspension so cushy that they don't really feel the bumps, electric start, automatic clutch, with the bike changing suspension settings on the fly autonomously as the terrain changes, and the bike calculating how far to turn the throttle to land a quad perfectly every time, and the nationals are no longer gnarly because the bikes are like Cadillac's out there, remember this post.

Progress is great, but there are some things that need to remain raw for the sake of the sport.
The things I mentioned are in the future. Many of the technologies are possible today, and all will be possible in a few years. We have to decide what we want in our sport.

I say let's keep the adrenaline.

And to your comment, the Past is gone. The future is bright.
fanger wrote:
What's an electric or kick star have to do with adrenaline?
Nothing, Get one if you want.
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wreckitrandy 2/24/2015 8:16pm
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PalerBlue wrote:
You do of course mean, if Yamaha are the first to follow KTM. No?
The Source wrote:
Bam!!
I'm probably wrong but, Cannondale had the first E-start motocross bike. They also had the first reverse cylinder head on a mx bike. Fuel Injection as well. If Yamaha is following someone,,,, it's Cannondale.
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Katoomey 2/24/2015 8:28pm
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tek14 wrote:
who wants it anyway.. i prefer 200lbs bike over 300lbs with starter..
GuyB wrote:
Yes. Because starters and batteries weigh 100 pounds.
straight from this months MXA cover "lightest 450 ever at 226 pounds" - referring to the ELECTRIC START KTM 450 sx-f
breakingbumps 2/24/2015 8:31pm
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peelout wrote:
i honestly can't understand why bikes don't already come with them. weight on the fatass 450's shouldn't be an issue, they already weigh a fucking 1/8th...
i honestly can't understand why bikes don't already come with them. weight on the fatass 450's shouldn't be an issue, they already weigh a fucking 1/8th ton.

cost? nah... each new bike comes with something new each year that the consumer definitely doesn't need and is forced to deal with anyway, driving the price through the roof. air forks and air shocks? give me a fucking break.

as mentioned above, after having an electric start on my bike for a couple years now, i can not see myself ever owning another bike without it (maybe a 125)...

makes me laugh at the morons claiming it's the weight... hah! shed that fucking gut if you're worried about weight on the bike. 5-8 pounds on the bike isn't going to affect you at all.
Lmfaooooo. Peelout half the fun of readin vital is reading your reponses. You are one funny mother fucker

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