Transgender DQ'd at LL Qualifier

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6/23/2014 1:11pm
Well Terry, I'm glad you could find the time to grace us with your presence. I can only assume you've finally shovelled your way BACK to the house, from the far end of the driveway. I'm guessing in about a half an hour, once your fingers have thawed out, you'll go back out and start over again. What is it, about mid July when the big thaw hits, you have about 3 weeks of relentless mosquitos, then the snow starts flying again? I'll look for more of your wisdom in 3 weeks, thanks for stopping by.
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6/23/2014 1:28pm
Read it? I quoted it and asked for an explanation/clarification and I was polite and sincere in my request. I'll take it as "it's what I say it is" since you haven't offered up an explanation, just blew me off with a dismissive reply.

I wasn't born on the date I finally signed up - I'm sure I've been reading this forum before you ever showed up as a Mod (going back to its inception in its former life) so I'm quite familiar with the "vibe" of the place, m-kay?

My apologies for trying to be semi-intelligent. I realize that isn't the prevailing "vibe" around here. My mistake.

Thanks for clearing it up.Dry
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6/23/2014 1:33pm
RMT wrote:
Nobody says that because we would fight and die for your right to have your opinion. Could you say the same?
I respect everones opinions. People with opinions like mine get investigated by the irs and called bigots by the media and the liberal "compassion" stormtroopers. The...
I respect everones opinions. People with opinions like mine get investigated by the irs and called bigots by the media and the liberal "compassion" stormtroopers. The mere fact that some here are debating the nebulous "inner gender" of a born male pretending to be a woman shows how liberalism has fucked up the mores and social dialogue. If the guy said he was really a penguin inside you all would laugh and say hes mentally ill; how is this different? Hes a man, with man parts and man genes. Why am I called a bigot for having the temerity of saying hes a man and should race against men? Lol. This country is doomed from utter stupidity masquerading as "tolerance".
I always wondered how Canadians as a rule are such nice forward thinking people when they have a nation of backwards medieval assholes as neighbours.
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6/23/2014 1:50pm
Got a friend who has a male dog that was raised entirely around bitches.

It squats to pee (like a bitch), never hikes its leg.


Coincidence?


So, does this make it a bitch and therefore should be tossed in with a male to breed?


If so, I have a feeling the customer would be real disappointed with the "offspring".


And how would they decide which is the pick of the litter?

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6/23/2014 1:57pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 1:58pm
Mr Bean wrote:
Read it? I quoted it and asked for an explanation/clarification and I was polite and sincere in my request. I'll take it as "it's what I...
Read it? I quoted it and asked for an explanation/clarification and I was polite and sincere in my request. I'll take it as "it's what I say it is" since you haven't offered up an explanation, just blew me off with a dismissive reply.

I wasn't born on the date I finally signed up - I'm sure I've been reading this forum before you ever showed up as a Mod (going back to its inception in its former life) so I'm quite familiar with the "vibe" of the place, m-kay?

My apologies for trying to be semi-intelligent. I realize that isn't the prevailing "vibe" around here. My mistake.

Thanks for clearing it up.Dry
I find that "vibe" is the prevailing vibe on here by most of the moderators. No wonder that is the "vibe" from most of the posters on the board also.



Edited for spelling
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6/23/2014 2:23pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 2:24pm
RMT wrote:
Nobody says that because we would fight and die for your right to have your opinion. Could you say the same?
I respect everones opinions. People with opinions like mine get investigated by the irs and called bigots by the media and the liberal "compassion" stormtroopers. The...
I respect everones opinions. People with opinions like mine get investigated by the irs and called bigots by the media and the liberal "compassion" stormtroopers. The mere fact that some here are debating the nebulous "inner gender" of a born male pretending to be a woman shows how liberalism has fucked up the mores and social dialogue. If the guy said he was really a penguin inside you all would laugh and say hes mentally ill; how is this different? Hes a man, with man parts and man genes. Why am I called a bigot for having the temerity of saying hes a man and should race against men? Lol. This country is doomed from utter stupidity masquerading as "tolerance".
Barrett57 wrote:
I always wondered how Canadians as a rule are such nice forward thinking people when they have a nation of backwards medieval assholes as neighbours.
LOL !

Oozing forward thinking tolerance ... Not hurtful name calling in any way ...
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6/23/2014 2:58pm
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I feel sorry for those people in the situation where they are confused about their sexuality. It would really suck to feel exactly like I do...
I feel sorry for those people in the situation where they are confused about their sexuality. It would really suck to feel exactly like I do right now (like I want to bone every monster girl) but to peer in the mirror and see a woman staring back at me. I can not imagine the hurt and confusion.

That said, if someone born as a man has their penis removed, well then they are pretty much just a chick with an adam's apple at that point and imo should be allowed to race w/ the girls. If they don't lop it off, I have to assume that there is a part of them that has doubts and so will we. And I think the same basic standard should be used to determine if they can use the male or female restroom.

If a women wants to race with the men, I see no issue w/ that given the significant physical disadvantage they will be at so we don't need a standard for that situation.

Hopefully we won't get to a point where local Intermediate MXers get a boob job and start competing for female factory contracts in the Pro ranks.

I wish Danielle the best, but you know, life isn't fair. That's just life. I too wasn't born born w/ the the physical or mental attributes that would allow me to become a top dog MXer, but that that's just life.
seriously dude... seriously? He still has all the physical traits as a dude. More muscle mass, endurance, coordination. But yet because he has his wang sliced off somehow he is now a woman? Please. There are more differences between men and women than genitals and you would have to be an idiot or a retarded liberal not to know that.

Maybe Ill just say Im a chick on the inside and go clean up at the local womens 14+ races. A trophy is a trophy, right?
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6/23/2014 3:20pm
Mr Bean wrote:
Read it? I quoted it and asked for an explanation/clarification and I was polite and sincere in my request. I'll take it as "it's what I...
Read it? I quoted it and asked for an explanation/clarification and I was polite and sincere in my request. I'll take it as "it's what I say it is" since you haven't offered up an explanation, just blew me off with a dismissive reply.

I wasn't born on the date I finally signed up - I'm sure I've been reading this forum before you ever showed up as a Mod (going back to its inception in its former life) so I'm quite familiar with the "vibe" of the place, m-kay?

My apologies for trying to be semi-intelligent. I realize that isn't the prevailing "vibe" around here. My mistake.

Thanks for clearing it up.Dry
lol. Yeah...ok. I was hear looong before you my misinformed friend.

If you would have read my original post, you would have seen that I distinctly said I do not approve of personal attacks. I did not say there were none in the thread, nor did I say there was not an abundance of posters with issues. I merely stated I do not approve of personal attacks. How you derived all the other crap from those few words is beyond me. As for explaining myself to you, I do not feel the need, or have the desire to. Good enough?

PS: if this place bothers you that much, why did you bother to sign up? (don't bother answering, it's a rhetorical question.)

Thanks for coming out.
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6/23/2014 3:25pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 3:27pm
I respect everones opinions. People with opinions like mine get investigated by the irs and called bigots by the media and the liberal "compassion" stormtroopers. The...
I respect everones opinions. People with opinions like mine get investigated by the irs and called bigots by the media and the liberal "compassion" stormtroopers. The mere fact that some here are debating the nebulous "inner gender" of a born male pretending to be a woman shows how liberalism has fucked up the mores and social dialogue. If the guy said he was really a penguin inside you all would laugh and say hes mentally ill; how is this different? Hes a man, with man parts and man genes. Why am I called a bigot for having the temerity of saying hes a man and should race against men? Lol. This country is doomed from utter stupidity masquerading as "tolerance".
Barrett57 wrote:
I always wondered how Canadians as a rule are such nice forward thinking people when they have a nation of backwards medieval assholes as neighbours.
RbR wrote:
LOL !

Oozing forward thinking tolerance ... Not hurtful name calling in any way ...
I'm not Canadian, I can't change my location. I'm sure his bleeding little heart will be all right.
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lol. Yeah...ok. I was hear looong before you my misinformed friend. If you would have read my original post, you would have seen that I distinctly...
lol. Yeah...ok. I was hear looong before you my misinformed friend.

If you would have read my original post, you would have seen that I distinctly said I do not approve of personal attacks. I did not say there were none in the thread, nor did I say there was not an abundance of posters with issues. I merely stated I do not approve of personal attacks. How you derived all the other crap from those few words is beyond me. As for explaining myself to you, I do not feel the need, or have the desire to. Good enough?

PS: if this place bothers you that much, why did you bother to sign up? (don't bother answering, it's a rhetorical question.)

Thanks for coming out.
Forget it, I see the pattern here.


Ing - I think you pretty much nailed it.
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6/23/2014 3:53pm
Mr Bean wrote:
Read it? I quoted it and asked for an explanation/clarification and I was polite and sincere in my request. I'll take it as "it's what I...
Read it? I quoted it and asked for an explanation/clarification and I was polite and sincere in my request. I'll take it as "it's what I say it is" since you haven't offered up an explanation, just blew me off with a dismissive reply.

I wasn't born on the date I finally signed up - I'm sure I've been reading this forum before you ever showed up as a Mod (going back to its inception in its former life) so I'm quite familiar with the "vibe" of the place, m-kay?

My apologies for trying to be semi-intelligent. I realize that isn't the prevailing "vibe" around here. My mistake.

Thanks for clearing it up.Dry
TerryK wrote:
lol. Yeah...ok. I was hear looong before you my misinformed friend. If you would have read my original post, you would have seen that I distinctly...
lol. Yeah...ok. I was hear looong before you my misinformed friend.

If you would have read my original post, you would have seen that I distinctly said I do not approve of personal attacks. I did not say there were none in the thread, nor did I say there was not an abundance of posters with issues. I merely stated I do not approve of personal attacks. How you derived all the other crap from those few words is beyond me. As for explaining myself to you, I do not feel the need, or have the desire to. Good enough?

PS: if this place bothers you that much, why did you bother to sign up? (don't bother answering, it's a rhetorical question.)

Thanks for coming out.
He just asked a question to start with. You are a mod, right? No need to respond so bitterly or claim your time here somehow makes a difference. I don't think this place bothers him just the inconsistency of moderating the material.
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6/23/2014 3:55pm
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Forget it, I see the pattern here.


Ing - I think you pretty much nailed it.
The only pattern here is me having to explain my original words to you, over and over again. You are right about at least one thing; best to forget it. Wouldn't want you to look silly. Tongue
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6/23/2014 3:56pm
Are the mods going to remove this thread? I hope the person being discussed hasn´t read this medieval redneck filth Sick
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If you were born a man you are a natural man. If you are born a woman then you are a natural woman. Feelings have nothing to do with this. Unfortunately society has made feelings truth. Pick your version.
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The only pattern here is me having to explain my original words to you, over and over again. You are right about at least one thing...
The only pattern here is me having to explain my original words to you, over and over again. You are right about at least one thing; best to forget it. Wouldn't want you to look silly. Tongue
This is like watching Groundhog Day...

I tried being polite and sincere and even dissected your original comment so there was no confusion as to what I was asking. The pattern is you not answering direct, simple questions and engaging in the same sort of exchanges -like accusing the other person of being the ignorant one - as a number of other board members. That's where Ing nailed it.

You already said you don't want to answer my questions (and that's your prerogative) so I'm going to assume you're either too lazy to engage in an honest discussion or you realize there is no consistency in your remarks and your position is indefensible.
Either way, nothing will be accomplished here other than you trying to have the last smart comment.

I'd break this whole conversation down so it could be analyzed piece by piece but you've already told me you "don't feel like it". Or I could construct your "logic" mathematically and demonstrate the inconsistencies, but based on your previous replies we both know how that would end, don't we?

Wouldn't want you to look silly, would we? Tongue

No need to be a tool to someone when they were polite to you. All you had to say was "look man, I make this up as I go along and that's the way it is".

Would have been much simpler and shorter, not mention accurate.


Have a nice evening! Smile



6/23/2014 4:29pm
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One of the true tenets of conservatism is to let people do whatever the hell they want, so long as they aren't hurting anyone. There was...
One of the true tenets of conservatism is to let people do whatever the hell they want, so long as they aren't hurting anyone.

There was a guy in Germany in the '40s that didn't much like anyone who deviated against what he judged to be normal. Maybe you would have been more comfortable then.

No one should call you a bigot for suggesting she should race against men. The rest of your comments are the basis for that.
Cant form a cogent argument, so you may as well call me hitler. Get out of here with that stupid shit.
6/23/2014 4:36pm
Sunhouse wrote:
Are the mods going to remove this thread? I hope the person being discussed hasn´t read this medieval redneck filth Sick
If he/she cant handle talk of the realities of gender confusion, then im afraid life is going to be a big surprise to him as it unfolds. Lets all hide any discourse about the nature of why his choice is what it is, and just roundly applaud him as a hero. Nobody here is attacking him except for his bullshit choice to race women when he is, in fact, a man. A lot of you have your knees jerking to call us bigots, when all we are doing is pointing out reality. Its a man! Where is the fucking "grey area" that you guys are operating in?
6/23/2014 4:42pm
Barrett57 wrote:
I always wondered how Canadians as a rule are such nice forward thinking people when they have a nation of backwards medieval assholes as neighbours.
RbR wrote:
LOL !

Oozing forward thinking tolerance ... Not hurtful name calling in any way ...
Barrett57 wrote:
I'm not Canadian, I can't change my location. I'm sure his bleeding little heart will be all right.
Sorry barett. Around these backward parts, a male adult is considered a man physically. We havent progressed to the point that our genetics ignored just because somebody wants to cherry pick a womens class. Maybe u can give us pointers on how to ignore reality and live in a fantasy world where chamginh gender is as simple as how you feel in the morning.
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6/23/2014 4:46pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 5:41pm
Not sure how people can judge this one without any supporting evidence. There's 3 sentences on motoplayground about it and a picture that may or may...
Not sure how people can judge this one without any supporting evidence. There's 3 sentences on motoplayground about it and a picture that may or may not show some masculinity in muscle tone..........

Anyone seen Tarah Geiger? Peely help me out with the photos here........looks like a man (muscularly), is a woman....no disrespect.
I just saw Tarah this weekend,chatted with her as she changed into street clothes, she is very cut but trust me in no way does she look like a man.Sorry no pics to illustrate the point.
6/23/2014 4:47pm
"Truth sounds like "hate" to those who hate the truth". I dont know who said it, but it describes a lot of posters on this site.
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6/23/2014 4:50pm
Sunhouse wrote:
Are the mods going to remove this thread? I hope the person being discussed hasn´t read this medieval redneck filth Sick
Welcome to the real world.
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6/23/2014 5:15pm
Sunhouse wrote:
Are the mods going to remove this thread? I hope the person being discussed hasn´t read this medieval redneck filth Sick
Maybe the person being discussed should have thought about how people would react to a grown ass man trying to race against girls. Sure would have saved themselves a lot of trouble if they would have checked with race officials first instead of just signing up. Did they honestly think that would fly?
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6/23/2014 5:54pm
Ok... just joining in here, haven't read pages 2-6. I've been seeing on facebook the person in question was racing A class a couple years ago as a man named David... so to me, that seals the deal. No womens class. But, has anyone ruled out the possibility of Disney making a more risque modern version of Motocrossed?
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6/23/2014 6:04pm
I think it all depends on how far along her gender reassignment has progressed.

The International Olympic Committee allows transgender athletes to compete.
The policy has three main requirements for both MTF and FTM trans athletes:

-They must have had gender reassignment surgery
-They must have legal recognition of their assigned gender
-They must have at least two years of hormone therapy

(The NCAA instituted somewhat less stringent guidelines in 2011. They do not require surgery, and they require only one year on testosterone suppression for male-to-female transgender athletes.)

I realize that this race is not governed by the International Olympic Committee but in my opinion, they know a little bit more about athletes than the average person. If the decision was mine to make, I would let her compete if she met these three IOC requirements. If not met, I would disqualify her.
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6/23/2014 6:07pm
Hey there it's James you're local transgender male motocross racer! Let's get some facts out the way here really quick, follow along now.

1) It has not been disclosed if Danielle has been undertaking hormone replacement therapy (HRT) or not. So if Danielle has been in HRT especially over a year, she has the muscle distribution of a cisgender (not transgender) woman. If Danielle has had bottom surgery and had her penis inverted and testicles removed (which none of anyones business) she has to work twice as hard as a cis woman to build muscle mass because she is no longer producing testosterone. Even cis women produce testosterone naturally.

2) This has been said above but just to reiterate there is a difference between sex (biological), gender (social construct), and sexuality (sexual interests).

3) Trans women do not use the womens bathroom to go all crazy and rape and pillage the poor women in there. They go to the womens bathroom to pee. But we all know they don't go there to poop, because women don't poo.

So now that we have that all out there, here is another thing to think about. You know that Ricky Carmichael character?? He's rather round now and not in his old racing shape at all. With all of that loss of muscle and addition of fat.... He's still fast as all hell because his skill not his fitness. Danielle is fast on a bike because of her skill on a bike. I cannot comment on her fitness aspect because I have no clue where she is at in that realm.
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6/23/2014 6:38pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 6:55pm
Thanks for schooling me Ace.

And all these years I would of sworn that Indiana was the redneck vortex of the world. I learn something new every day.

Glad to see your fighting the good fight down in the holler!

And I am so sorry your daddy made you play dress up when you were a young man. It looks as if it truly did scar you for life. You can't fake hate like yours. But's it's OK, we all know you are a real man.
6/23/2014 6:58pm
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Im just glad to see a thread that our more moderate brothers in Kentucky and Alabama can sink their teeth into.
Spades doesn't speak for the southeast. These types of closed minded "Morans" are everywhere.
Hurray for you, buddy. Just ignore genetics and chromosomes and cheer loudly! Im happy for you, mr. Open mindedness!im calling a man a man and youre on here distancing yourself from my radical, close-minded views lol. Are you hearing yourself as you think? Wow.
6/23/2014 7:02pm Edited Date/Time 6/23/2014 7:10pm
bigborefan wrote:
Thanks for schooling me Ace. And all these years I would of sworn that Indiana was the redneck vortex of the world. I learn something new...
Thanks for schooling me Ace.

And all these years I would of sworn that Indiana was the redneck vortex of the world. I learn something new every day.

Glad to see your fighting the good fight down in the holler!

And I am so sorry your daddy made you play dress up when you were a young man. It looks as if it truly did scar you for life. You can't fake hate like yours. But's it's OK, we all know you are a real man.
I dont even know what the hell youre talking about, but I bet you felt like a hero typing it out. Congratulations. Im happy if you guys want to pretend that a born man is a woman. Doesnt bother me down here in "the holler". Maybe u should ask yourself what kind of emotional trauma u endured to take such offense to my words? Where have I "hated" anybody? Until the american psychiatric council was invaded by liberals, transgendring was treated as a psychological issue. I feel it still is. You are happy to cheerlead while those people face huge issues that sometimes involve butchering themselves surgically. You are a fucking monster, and your smart aleck tolerance doesnt help those people.
6/23/2014 7:15pm
I wish the guy well, but the fact that he races women is the issue- and he/she is cherry picking. All the other stuff is secondary to the facts of a man racing women.
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6/23/2014 7:59pm
Thanks to JT$ for the comment of this off week. When talking about all this nonsense we get on being male riding in WMX. " it is probably a lot more performance enhancing than Adderal". When I finally started laughing, I realized that comment accurately summarizes the messes the sport finds itself in this week.

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