I'm staying neutral on this thing.....who's with me?

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6/19/2014 10:23pm
I hate (totally) that there is 10 threads on this.. GuyB, please nuke a few.

I guess sitting here and thinking about it now and never really taking a side to this, you guys can't tell me the past two races haven't been fawking awesome.... Imagine the battles the past two races without Stewart there... They would suck. It has been nice seeing Canard up there and I hope he builds on it, but having Stewart up there has been awesome. Anybody who actually wants him not racing is an idiot, like him or not. Racing is a show... It is for entertainment. Why would you want less baffles me. Nobody (here) knows what is really going on and where this will go, but I am thinking big picture here.
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6/19/2014 10:30pm
Until everyone of you guys never go into another GNC or never order from Bodybuilding.com you are all then hypocritical A holes that know nothing about anything. Who doesn't take a "pre workout" this or "creatine" that before doing a mediocre work out at the local Golds Gym and those aren't PEDs?? Now everyone gets all holier than thou over this....really? Until you make 10 millionish a year as a PROFESSIONAL athlete just shut your traps and mellow out!!!

Last time I checked we all loved motorcycle racing and the men and women that do it better than anyone! if you think aderal or epo or test or tren or hgh makes you faster on a motorcycle then to be honest you are so far out of touch with reality you are self authenticating your own failure to understand sports nutrition and what these compounds can and can't do for the human body.

Anywho... Let's just relax and see what comes out of this before jumping to conclusions and lynching bubba like some of you seem to want to do

6/19/2014 10:33pm
Definitely need to wait until we get more of the story but I would never blame a racer, PED use is a systemic problem.
6/19/2014 11:18pm
I don’t like cheating, but I’m offended by it only if it’s unethical, and in my eyes it’s only unethical if he cheated specifically to gain an advantage over his competitors. Simply hiding his usage and getting caught is bad, but not bad bad. Like pot: Your friend gets busted at school, say, with pot. You probably wouldn’t say Bro, I can’t be your friend anymore. You’d say, Have any more?

Which is basically how I felt about his ’11 arrest. Stupid? Yes. Wrong? Eh.

Since I don’t know what his intentions were, I’ll withhold judgment, or at least try. I’ll see how I feel watching him in TN in a week. Who knows, I could find myself subconsciously rooting for Trey to beat him instead of the other way around.

(For the record, I’ve said exactly zero words in the past as far as even suggesting PED usage on the part of Ryan Villopoto, thank ya very much.)

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6/19/2014 11:19pm
From what we know of this thing so far, it sounds about as serious as the talk of RV getting an IV before Toronto, but with much, much more noise surrounding it.
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6/19/2014 11:54pm
I think neutrality is the best option here. If in fact it was adderal or something similar, seems like the biggest problem is the lack of pre-approval. I would hate to see PED testing put anyone in a position of having to choose between appropriate medical care and engaging in their sport of choice. This approach runs afoul of a strong philosophy of accommodating medical conditions that we as a country have adopted. As an aside, and bearing in mind that I strongly support the idea of testing, something needs to be done to clarify what is and is not an approved substance. The little reading of the substances that I did, leads me to conclude one virtually needs a medical or biochemistry degree to make sense of the list.
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6/20/2014 12:22am Edited Date/Time 6/20/2014 12:26am
Jarid332 wrote:
Man it's not like it was blow or something. I'm with ya Jeffro. Doesn't change the way I see Stewart. Dude's still a bad ass on...
Man it's not like it was blow or something. I'm with ya Jeffro. Doesn't change the way I see Stewart. Dude's still a bad ass on the bike.
How do you know it wasn't blow? (I guess you're taking him at his word... though most PED users have lies stacked on top of lies)

and why is blow worse than known PEDs like amphetamines (adderall)?
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6/20/2014 1:42am
I'll wait for the full story before I start judging people.... All these vitard speculations are just silly. People using those to bash Stewart beforehand are just dicks. As usual.
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Lamecake wrote:
I'll wait for the full story before I start judging people.... All these vitard speculations are just silly. People using those to bash Stewart beforehand are...
I'll wait for the full story before I start judging people.... All these vitard speculations are just silly. People using those to bash Stewart beforehand are just dicks. As usual.
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I am/was a huge Stewart fan but, assuming the drug was Adderalll prescribed for ADD, I cannot comprehend how it was not declared to WADA.

Assuming it was Adderall, for it not to be declared, Stewart would have to be either (a) completely oblivious to any banned substances list or (b) he intentionally took the drug full well knowing it would improve his performance and chose to hide it.

I was diagnosed with narcolepsy about two years ago and did some research on the use of PEDS/nootopics in sport. There was an article I believe by Charles Dao that indicated nootropic's would actually have somewhat of a negative impact during racing as they essentially stop you from making knee jerk decisions. This year Stewarts riding, especially in the outdoors seems super controlled and methodical rather than how he used to ride back in the Kawasaki days which makes me believe Adderall/Modafinil could be the drug he tested positive for.

6/20/2014 3:19am
If it was EPO or HGH, then that's an issue. Adderall? Who cares? How is that a competitive advantage, except to the extent that it allows him to get to the gate in the first place.
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689 wrote:
I am/was a huge Stewart fan but, assuming the drug was Adderalll prescribed for ADD, I cannot comprehend how it was not declared to WADA. Assuming...
I am/was a huge Stewart fan but, assuming the drug was Adderalll prescribed for ADD, I cannot comprehend how it was not declared to WADA.

Assuming it was Adderall, for it not to be declared, Stewart would have to be either (a) completely oblivious to any banned substances list or (b) he intentionally took the drug full well knowing it would improve his performance and chose to hide it.

I was diagnosed with narcolepsy about two years ago and did some research on the use of PEDS/nootopics in sport. There was an article I believe by Charles Dao that indicated nootropic's would actually have somewhat of a negative impact during racing as they essentially stop you from making knee jerk decisions. This year Stewarts riding, especially in the outdoors seems super controlled and methodical rather than how he used to ride back in the Kawasaki days which makes me believe Adderall/Modafinil could be the drug he tested positive for.

I think you should add a (c): someone in his camp dropped the notification ball, or everyone in his camp assumed someone else in his camp was doing it.

JS isn't a one-man operation.

I'm with you Jeffro.

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Jarid332 wrote:
Man it's not like it was blow or something. I'm with ya Jeffro. Doesn't change the way I see Stewart. Dude's still a bad ass on...
Man it's not like it was blow or something. I'm with ya Jeffro. Doesn't change the way I see Stewart. Dude's still a bad ass on the bike.
oldAFI wrote:
How do you know it wasn't blow? (I guess you're taking him at his word... though most PED users have lies stacked on top of lies)...
How do you know it wasn't blow? (I guess you're taking him at his word... though most PED users have lies stacked on top of lies)

and why is blow worse than known PEDs like amphetamines (adderall)?
Can you get a scrip for blow?
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I want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Smile

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FastEddy wrote:
I want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Smile

The Internet truth? Laughing
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6/20/2014 5:38am Edited Date/Time 6/20/2014 5:38am
FastEddy wrote:
I want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Smile

Lamecake wrote:
The Internet truth? Laughing
A video confession,preferably with no sweating - dates,places times,amounts,when,why & where. Smile
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6/20/2014 5:58am
689 wrote:
I am/was a huge Stewart fan but, assuming the drug was Adderalll prescribed for ADD, I cannot comprehend how it was not declared to WADA. Assuming...
I am/was a huge Stewart fan but, assuming the drug was Adderalll prescribed for ADD, I cannot comprehend how it was not declared to WADA.

Assuming it was Adderall, for it not to be declared, Stewart would have to be either (a) completely oblivious to any banned substances list or (b) he intentionally took the drug full well knowing it would improve his performance and chose to hide it.

I was diagnosed with narcolepsy about two years ago and did some research on the use of PEDS/nootopics in sport. There was an article I believe by Charles Dao that indicated nootropic's would actually have somewhat of a negative impact during racing as they essentially stop you from making knee jerk decisions. This year Stewarts riding, especially in the outdoors seems super controlled and methodical rather than how he used to ride back in the Kawasaki days which makes me believe Adderall/Modafinil could be the drug he tested positive for.

Tell me more about having Narcolepsy!

I've only ever heard or seen shitty movie jokes about it! What's your best story?
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6/20/2014 6:42am
FastEddy wrote:
I want the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Smile

Lamecake wrote:
The Internet truth? Laughing
Ah but then there's tge Vitard truth Wink
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6/20/2014 6:53am Edited Date/Time 6/20/2014 6:53am
peelout wrote:
As we saw with cycling, every great rider from here out will forever be questioned. Bravo motorcross
JM485 wrote:
Ass clowns on here have already been dragging RC through the mud all day, what a fricken joke! To be honest, sometimes it seems like mx...
Ass clowns on here have already been dragging RC through the mud all day, what a fricken joke! To be honest, sometimes it seems like mx fans are the stupidest of any sport. If someone wins, they must be cheating because that's the only way they could beat everyone else. If someone isn't winning, they should quit and get a job because they don't have a useful skill, and must not be smart because they didn't go to college. Where does the idiotic, paradoxical hate end? No matter what "fans" won't ever be satisfied, and it is pretty sad.
It's true about the fans in any sport. Go to any soccer story about Messi, who's about the least objectionable personality in sport, and read what the anti-Messi or anti-Barcelona people write about his childhood HGH therapy.

What is true is that this board unfortunately has expanded its population with a lot of the malicious people whose joy is in puffing themselves up at someone else's expense. It's too often a contest of trying to be clever and snarky rather than actually have something to say worth thinking about whether the reader agrees or disagrees. The quality of the discussion about any topic here reflects the quality of the participants. As someone who enjoys a good argument offered with thought and respect, this place is losing its shine.

Maybe that's the evolution of a board; it has the right critical mass of good posters, and then it becomes more popular and others with less to offer find it. But I find it harder and harder to enjoy talking moto here.
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ns503 wrote:
I think you should add a (c): someone in his camp dropped the notification ball, or everyone in his camp assumed someone else in his camp...
I think you should add a (c): someone in his camp dropped the notification ball, or everyone in his camp assumed someone else in his camp was doing it.

JS isn't a one-man operation.

I'm with you Jeffro.

This. Dropping the ball is a lot more common than bad intentions. It happens every day in every organization, even quality ones.

But there still are consequences.
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6/20/2014 7:02am
Bad deal all the way around.

I have actually refrained from commenting in that other long ass thread aside form posting stupid pictures.

My thoughts would lean more towards it being something that should have been declared for a TUE and wasn't which really sucks because now we have all this shit.
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ns503 wrote:
I think you should add a (c): someone in his camp dropped the notification ball, or everyone in his camp assumed someone else in his camp...
I think you should add a (c): someone in his camp dropped the notification ball, or everyone in his camp assumed someone else in his camp was doing it.

JS isn't a one-man operation.

I'm with you Jeffro.

This. Dropping the ball is a lot more common than bad intentions. It happens every day in every organization, even quality ones. But there still are...
This. Dropping the ball is a lot more common than bad intentions. It happens every day in every organization, even quality ones.

But there still are consequences.
Yes there are, indeed.

There are so many competing yet intertwined interests between the two series that this has the potential to be a cluster#$%^ of the most epic proportions. If there were ever a situation for due process, this is it.
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6/20/2014 7:35am
slipdog wrote:
Dude, most if not all are cheating in some way or another... James if just the first to get caught.
mag23 wrote:
I'm with you, Slip... I couldn't give a shit about somebody using Adderall. You'll never convince me that most of the tops guys aren't doping. But...
I'm with you, Slip... I couldn't give a shit about somebody using Adderall. You'll never convince me that most of the tops guys aren't doping. But, again, I don't care what they do, it's none of my business....
Indeed......You dont think the guys who have injuries and surgeries that take at least 6-8 months to heal but are back on the bike/track in 4 months are taking any banned substances during their recovery ..... your crazy if you dont.....They may not be taking them when it counts or they may not get caught or even tested....but you can bet they use something to help SPEED the process along.....

i dont think what is happening with James is right after all rules are rules.......but I also dont think that hes a blood doping cheater.....if it was HGH, Steroids or any of that blood doping stuff, then you have a problem......
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6/20/2014 7:37am
I'm neutral as well because if you guys are that naive to think he is the only doing it or taking something. Also well Said Jeffro! Unfortunately in this day in age in any sport I don't think there are many guys left that do it the right way.
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I'm just sad man, it was getting good. Motocross used to be so simple, 250 raced 250's, 125's raced 125's, 500's raced 500's. Riders partied in hotel pools and grabbed girls asses on the podium, they fought and it was cool. I'm all like WTF?
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6/20/2014 7:58am
jeffro503 wrote:
I'm one of the first ones to jump down the throats of the " Luvva's " when the shit talk gets brewin......but on this subject and...
I'm one of the first ones to jump down the throats of the " Luvva's " when the shit talk gets brewin......but on this subject and this time , I'll be damned if I'm jumping on the train of dudes here that want to slam James personally.

I'm staying neutral because I know what he took was wrong.......but I also believe that if it's a drug that helped him get across the finish line in one piece.......then I'm glad he took it!

I may be hard on the hardcore Stewie fans from time to time.....but I try and leave it there. When it comes to James himself......I appreciate every aspect that dude has given to this sport! The dude is an incredible athlete and an ambassador in this sport!

Weather you like him or hate him.....it doesn't matter , because you would be a fool to think he doesn't matter in this sport.

You guys that are bashing him......just remember this : MX is a small sport and we need our hero's. When one of them screws up , don't slam him ,and let him learn from the mistakes. We need our hero's in this sport......all of them , and not one less.

Think how you would be feeling if it was " Your " favorite rider that got busted.

I believe that drug testing is a joke if it's RANDOM, because it's never random...

I would like to know who else was tested. can we get a list?

and why in Washington and Colorado...hmmm what do they have in common?
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JM485 wrote:
Ass clowns on here have already been dragging RC through the mud all day, what a fricken joke! To be honest, sometimes it seems like mx...
Ass clowns on here have already been dragging RC through the mud all day, what a fricken joke! To be honest, sometimes it seems like mx fans are the stupidest of any sport. If someone wins, they must be cheating because that's the only way they could beat everyone else. If someone isn't winning, they should quit and get a job because they don't have a useful skill, and must not be smart because they didn't go to college. Where does the idiotic, paradoxical hate end? No matter what "fans" won't ever be satisfied, and it is pretty sad.
Dragging someones name through the mud for something that actually happened?

Matthes laid it out in another thread. Go read his response if you arent happy with mine.

Stop fucking crying about it. RC got preferential treatment and thats well known. Not exactly sure how thats dragging someones name through the mud.

And if thats dragging RCs name through the mud, JS7 must be buried 6 feet deep from the shit he gets from the clowns on this board.
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Easy enough for me, Jeffro, because I don't give a shit one way or another. You know how I know that? Flew home Wednesday, went to a concert in Toronto last night, got home at 230 this morning. Not one. Fucking. Thing. Has changed in my life since all this nonsense broke a couple of days ago, and it won't. I enough of my own issues to deal with, let alone worrying about some Pro MXer getting caught with something in his whiz, that he shouldn't have. It's his cross to bear, not mine. As far as intent is involved, same shit. If he honestly believed it was okay to have, or got some bad advice, I've no idea, and don't care. Whatever comes of this, it will blow over. There will be plenty of stuff going on behind the scenes we'll never know about, to get the outcome steered in the direction a select few will be happy with, and that's a fact as well. I'd say we all have enough in our own lives to worry about, far more important than some guy riding a dirt sickle in retarded circles, with jumps and them moguls thrown in.

Remember when Lechien got into trouble years ago? Emig? Carmicheal? Same shit, different day. Money will be the final deciding factor in this, and again, while I could care less, I find that more disgusting than the fact James may or may not be guilty of something. Tomorrow morning, the sun will rise, and another day will start, the drudgery of my life will resume. I can assure you of that. The same may not be said for James. What he has accomplished, as the first African American in this current time period, may forever be tarnished, simply because of his race. That's even sadder, simply because there are some people out there who will think that way. I used to loathe James, but I find myself rooting for him now, as the elder statesman, in the tail end of his career. All these years into it, and still capable of winning, when it comes together for him. Add a dose of humble, and it makes him a lot more likeable, at least for me.

Now, having said all that, who wants me to resume my role of resident asshole, and fuckin' Grammar Nazi, for Jeff Alessi? SURELY, that's got to be better than 19 threads about PEDGate, and the incessant bickering over some stupid shit.
WHO'S WITH ME? Evil Laughing
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JM485 wrote:
Ass clowns on here have already been dragging RC through the mud all day, what a fricken joke! To be honest, sometimes it seems like mx...
Ass clowns on here have already been dragging RC through the mud all day, what a fricken joke! To be honest, sometimes it seems like mx fans are the stupidest of any sport. If someone wins, they must be cheating because that's the only way they could beat everyone else. If someone isn't winning, they should quit and get a job because they don't have a useful skill, and must not be smart because they didn't go to college. Where does the idiotic, paradoxical hate end? No matter what "fans" won't ever be satisfied, and it is pretty sad.
IceMan446 wrote:
Dragging someones name through the mud for something that actually happened? Matthes laid it out in another thread. Go read his response if you arent happy...
Dragging someones name through the mud for something that actually happened?

Matthes laid it out in another thread. Go read his response if you arent happy with mine.

Stop fucking crying about it. RC got preferential treatment and thats well known. Not exactly sure how thats dragging someones name through the mud.

And if thats dragging RCs name through the mud, JS7 must be buried 6 feet deep from the shit he gets from the clowns on this board.
Listen dude, that argument can stay in the other thread. I already said you can have you oppinion on fuel gate, my post said nothing about that. What I'm not alright with is people hinting at RC using peds and doing things unethically, without putting any proof out there. If you have something to back you insinuations up, please post them, but if not don't hint at something you can't prove. And it's not just you, there have been many others.

I wasn't cool with people accusing RV of cheating without proof either, regardless of the rider, it's not right to accuse someone without any evidence to back it up. There isn't any reason to have an argument about this, it's not that hard for people to show some respect to the top riders of the sport.
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There are some really good responses i this thread. Glad to see a lot of you have chosen to drive right down the middle of the road until the full facts come out.

Stewie and I have a love / hate relationship. Sometimes he pisses me off ( as a fan ) watching him make dumb mistakes.....leaving me thinking..." What....the....Hell!!??!! " But MOST of the time.....watching that dude ride / race.....puts a big huge smile on my face because the dude just has sooo much damn talent on a friggin' bike! He makes a lot of these races really interesting.

Hard to explain......but Moto is my sport. James is one of the top dogs in " My sport ".......and he along with all the other top dogs deserve the benefit of doubt until proven otherwise in my eyes. It's almost as if I feel like the outside world dipped into " My sport "......and single handedly singled out a certain rider.......and I for some reason..... pissed me off! James is one of OUR dudes......I don't like seeing the outside world pick on OUR dudes.

The outside world which doesn't understand "our sport " already criticizes it enough. We don't need to be put through the ringer on this stuff.

Hope that makes sense.

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