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Had one on my 2003 RM125. It was the system to have back then.
Brandon is hands down one of the worst people I've ever dealt with in the motocross industry. Entitled, arrogant, confrontational...and honestly didn't know shit about professional racing. I don't know that he really understood anything about engine performance.
I dealt with him in 2016, I'd be shocked if he was still around.
It was on a dyno, so it was tuned properly lol. The FMF shorty can and stinger outlet for the 150s is the same as the one from my 2002 rm125 lol, it looses power on the 150.
I've weighed the fmf 450 slip on vs stock and there isn't as much weight difference vs taking a dump before your next moto. Stock fit and ran loads better.
Quit making excuses for them.
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Took me about a year and a half of back & forth Instagram DM's, but he finally built me a Carbon Fiber Silencer for my 1994 CR125 D.Henry #1 replica build. Well worth the wait! Just keep after him in Instagram DM's hahah Best of Luck!
Just buy a Scalvini instead?
BUDs makes a cool carbon fiber silencer for the 2 strokes and a damn good pipe.
Is Bill still there or is Jeff running the place?
That sounds terrible haha.
This thread cracks me up. I can't believe how much work some of you will go through to give your money to a business that doesn't even want your business.
Why would you support a business like that?
Sometimes you can only get something from one business, so you have to be persistent & patient when dealing with them, and it's worth the wait & effort.
Also, some of these people are great fabricators, but poor business people.
Sometimes you get lucky, they are good fabricators + good business people.
Sometimes you get really unlucky - they are bad fabricators & bad business people, yet somehow they still keep going.
Bill buys his vape juice from Varner
I said muffler so you are comparing apples to oranges, lol it is Vital. On a KX450 I assure you the weight saving is substantial. Anybody that knows anything about making HP on a 2 stroke knows you don't gain anything from a silencer. The length will move the power around but that's IT.
I find it hard to believe his pipe is that much better...
When building a “replica” bike you tend to want parts that are from the correct era. So for me, I needed a Bills carbon fiber silencer with a “stinger” style tip as that is what was on Doug’s #1 ‘94 CR125…like I said before, well worth the wait if it’s what you need!
It is honestly. Especially 2 strokes. Plus just being able to get a stinger still is worth the aggravation to me.
apparently, no one is running the place.
I suppose I get the period piece and the privilege of waiting for it, but for anything new... when you have real cone pipes like JSV, etc. None of that fake shit like Bill's. I don't get the pursuit of a product like these guys. Whatever floats your boat I guess.
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Yea, dude. That thing is badass, I would have hounded the shit out of him, too!
As of last year (11-8-2022) Brandon was still doing things at bills. I ordered a pipe and silencer off them and had them port my cylinder. Worst experience of my life. Started off good then went to shit. I have a ton of emails, phone calls and instagram messages. I would never suggest anyone buy anything off them until they get their shit together. They charged my card then stopped answering me for over a month. If I wasn't on the other side of the country I would have stopped into the shop.
With that said, everything fits perfect and is great. So take that as you will.
I'm shocked no one mentioned the irony of the offending employee's name.
If I was his boss, I'd suggest he step it up, possibly encourage him by saying "Let's go Brandon!"
No website. Only email. Doesn’t respond. Doesn’t answer the phone. Tons of complaints on the forums. Has a Brandon.
Thats a no go for me. Don’t complain when you don’t get what you paid for if you read this thread first.
Look at every factory USA team Suzuki from 1998-2003 they ran bills for a reason and i know they ran pc a bit but the bills was just better for the late 90s and early 2000s. And HRC didn’t even use pc or in house HRC pipe on their 1996-1998 125 Lamson bike they ran bills. Pipes must of been really good for HRC to choose them over the HRC factory pipe and the pc pipe and same with Suzuki factory team . When Lamson smoked every one at Mxdn on a HRC 125 against factory 500s also it was it bills pipe he had on
Idk, Brandon hand delivered my YZ125 pipe and silencer to my house...... and i voted for Trump
not sure about the website, but they have been great at messaging back... at least for me.
They defiantly build a quality product.
I tried to tell you guys... 3 years ago....
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/Bills-Pipes-whats-their-…
Sounds like they are a super small business that make great stuff, but lack in communication. If you want the product, you will have to work for it, but it may be worth it to you. Look at it like an artist that locks themselves in a basement for weeks.
Not everything is Amazon and just shows up right after ordering and some things are the complete other end of the spectrum.
Weird how this is getting a bunch of thumbs down. Buds make some really nice stuff and it is much easier on the wallet than the big names. I cannot recall the guy's name at Buds, but he is very informative and helps you out in any way he can.
Is the original owner Bill Cervera still running the company?
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