That was embarrassing

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10/8/2023 6:50pm
Hcallz5 wrote:

Surprising that KTM group basically got waxed outside of Prado. That bike used to be hard pack king.

Sully wrote:

Vialle absolutely killed it. The guy finished second overall against 450s in race 2.

Shred wrote:

I’m sort of wondering if Vialle regrets coming to the USA.  From what I saw he could have likely won another MXGP2 title.

There may have been some "what if-ing" during the year, but overall, he had a great season in the states. And with a year under his belt, he'll be even better next year.

10/8/2023 6:55pm

A6ACF070-E427-46AA-8921-942F947DCB89.jpeg?VersionId=EptG3ZtWTt7aWeaTcqfzaYTfsYpe18What’s embarrassing is AP, RJ and CC were doing this while deegan… and many others were sitting on the couch 

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10/8/2023 7:08pm Edited Date/Time 10/8/2023 7:09pm
cwel11 wrote:
This thread is embarrassing. They wanted to go and I’m sure they tried their best. That’s the way it goes. But this shit happens every year...

This thread is embarrassing. They wanted to go and I’m sure they tried their best. That’s the way it goes. But this shit happens every year. Beat the guys up that gave up their precious short off season to give it a go. 

I'm glad this post got so many likes, anyone complaining and the person that started the thread needs to pull their heads out of their ass.

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10/8/2023 7:17pm
not embarrassing at all.....im super proud of team AUSSIE   our best result.....   and pumped for dean ferris showing our national series is respectable..........oi oi oi...

not embarrassing at all.....im super proud of team AUSSIE   our best result.....Woohoo

 

and pumped for dean ferris showing our national series is respectable..........oi oi oi...

Dean did exactly as expected, and delivered a 10th that we needed.

I can only assume it was a privateer style effort, no entourage?

Well done Dean.

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10/8/2023 7:23pm
not embarrassing at all.....im super proud of team AUSSIE   our best result.....   and pumped for dean ferris showing our national series is respectable..........oi oi oi...

not embarrassing at all.....im super proud of team AUSSIE   our best result.....Woohoo

 

and pumped for dean ferris showing our national series is respectable..........oi oi oi...

Dean did exactly as expected, and delivered a 10th that we needed. I can only assume it was a privateer style effort, no entourage? Well done...

Dean did exactly as expected, and delivered a 10th that we needed.

I can only assume it was a privateer style effort, no entourage?

Well done Dean.

Was hard to find details but I believe he took suspension and maybe an engine with him?  

On an unrelated note, and a minor issue really, but it didn't look great with the Aussies on the podium with totally different colour scheme gear.

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10/8/2023 7:43pm
ando wrote:
Was hard to find details but I believe he took suspension and maybe an engine with him?   On an unrelated note, and a minor issue really...

Was hard to find details but I believe he took suspension and maybe an engine with him?  

On an unrelated note, and a minor issue really, but it didn't look great with the Aussies on the podium with totally different colour scheme gear.

Said to my brother Dean was east to find, fucked if I could see Jett or Hunter easily. Green and gold Alpinestars!

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10/8/2023 8:02pm
The Moth wrote:
AP, Craig, and Hampshire stood up when no one else would, and deserve respect for that, but our team was lapped.  5-18, 16-20 and 16-10 scores...

AP, Craig, and Hampshire stood up when no one else would, and deserve respect for that, but our team was lapped.  5-18, 16-20 and 16-10 scores were not what was I think most expected.  Dean Ferris,  who retired, beat AP who is a factory racer.  He also beat Craig, who granted hasn't raced in a year but still clearly something is amiss with Team USA's efforts at the MXdN.

Mit12 wrote:

What is embarrassing is people like you that sit on a keyboard and make statements like you did. 

What's embarrassing about my statements?  That they deserve respect for showing up and stepping up to the plate?  That they finished 5-18, 16-20, and 16-10?  That Dean Ferris beat AP and Craig?

Hampshire admitted that they got their "asses kicked". Craig admitted that his results were poor.  I do not agree with Lewis's softball lobs in his interviews that things did not go their way as opposed to them not riding well. Craig affirmed that he didn't ride well.  They got embarrassed. When the Denver Broncos lost 70-20, they got embarrassed.  That doesn't mean that the athletes themselves aren't talented, didn't try, and don't deserve respect. As Craig himself said, "Sometimes you're the hammer, and sometimes you're the nail."

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10/8/2023 8:21pm
The Moth wrote:
AP, Craig, and Hampshire stood up when no one else would, and deserve respect for that, but our team was lapped.  5-18, 16-20 and 16-10 scores...

AP, Craig, and Hampshire stood up when no one else would, and deserve respect for that, but our team was lapped.  5-18, 16-20 and 16-10 scores were not what was I think most expected.  Dean Ferris,  who retired, beat AP who is a factory racer.  He also beat Craig, who granted hasn't raced in a year but still clearly something is amiss with Team USA's efforts at the MXdN.

Mit12 wrote:

What is embarrassing is people like you that sit on a keyboard and make statements like you did. 

The Moth wrote:
What's embarrassing about my statements?  That they deserve respect for showing up and stepping up to the plate?  That they finished 5-18, 16-20, and 16-10?  That...

What's embarrassing about my statements?  That they deserve respect for showing up and stepping up to the plate?  That they finished 5-18, 16-20, and 16-10?  That Dean Ferris beat AP and Craig?

Hampshire admitted that they got their "asses kicked". Craig admitted that his results were poor.  I do not agree with Lewis's softball lobs in his interviews that things did not go their way as opposed to them not riding well. Craig affirmed that he didn't ride well.  They got embarrassed. When the Denver Broncos lost 70-20, they got embarrassed.  That doesn't mean that the athletes themselves aren't talented, didn't try, and don't deserve respect. As Craig himself said, "Sometimes you're the hammer, and sometimes you're the nail."

What were your expectations this year that would make these results so “embarrassing”?  and I prefer the analogy, some days you are the dog, some days you are the hydrant. No disrespect but we had no chance of being the dog today. Thanks to  all three guys for representing and giving it a go and my hopes are that we get a little more prepared next year and not another last minute throw together effort. 

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10/8/2023 8:54pm

I’m not even mad, I’m glad they went. Hot damn was that track hammered on.

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10/8/2023 9:26pm

Perplexing this ended up in here..........it is a legit thread that should be in the "moto" section. 

 

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10/9/2023 12:12am
It's not embarrassing it's disappointing, I'm not clued on in why the top guys don't want to or can't go the only thing I can think...

It's not embarrassing it's disappointing, I'm not clued on in why the top guys don't want to or can't go the only thing I can think of is because the US rider schedule is brutal, that said in my eyes this is the biggest and most fun race of the year if I was a top tier rider it would be my dream and goal to represent my country and myself at the MXdN, Again I don't know the reasons and I'm quite shocked that Deegan didn't/couldn't go it would have been a great great experience for him and progression for his career.

If I was a US fan I'd be quite annoyed as they can field a team that most likely would win/podium at the very least.

ando wrote:
Getting beaten by some unknown overseas riders isn't good for the brand or the income stream. Having Chase on the team would most likely have moved...

Getting beaten by some unknown overseas riders isn't good for the brand or the income stream.

Having Chase on the team would most likely have moved you up the rankings but still probably battling for the third podium position at best.  I don't think anyone could say for certain that Deegan would have done better than RJ, and AP is still your next best guy (assuming that Tomac isn't available).

No one was beating France this weekend.  They could have substituted Ferrandis for one of their 450 guys and still got a similar result.

I'm Aussie, I agree with what you said.

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10/9/2023 1:06am Edited Date/Time 10/9/2023 1:07am
Crush wrote:
Disagree completely. For a start, they went. It's more embarrassing the other riders didn't. Craig coming off the couch and RJ racing with a Hernia are more...

Disagree completely. For a start, they went. It's more embarrassing the other riders didn't.

Craig coming off the couch and RJ racing with a Hernia are more difficult situations to deal with than I am changing teams and I don't want to lose a week of testing or I don't want to go unless we have a great shot to win etc. They stepped up and so did the Austrian manufacturers. 

They rode fine, just shit happens in racing. They should have been or at least had a great shot at a top 5... just like we should have been within 10 points of France, but when you get taken down, tip over, or bad starts on a tight as shit hilly track it's pretty fuckin hard to move up.

IMO, no country is going to dominate this event anymore unless they truly have multiple top tier picks in each class. Accounting for injuries, testing, team changes and sandy vaginas is too hard.

 

I think this is a fair point.  

Unless my memory is failing me (very possible), sure I heard on Pulp that Honda offered Sexton support for the race. 

Still find it a bit ironic Deegan was flying the US flag in the US Nationals but opted not to ride this event to really represent his country.  Seems like a big missed opportunity for a self confessed patriot.   

Massive respect to the guys that did step up though.  Craigs arm injury looked ugly on his Youtube channel.  Also think it takes some balls and integrity to enter this even knowing you're not the 'A team', but still having the balls to sack up and give it your best. 

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10/9/2023 4:25am
Shred wrote:

Uhh…maybe you missed last year…..

Spoonguy wrote:
Lot of Kawasakis on last years team? Good grief, let's just all kneel at the altar or live and die at the house of Decoster. It...

Lot of Kawasakis on last years team? Good grief, let's just all kneel at the altar or live and die at the house of Decoster. It was all him this year again, his riders, his way, his bikes. Same as it has been the past few decades most times ( not all), might be time for a change, maybe? Maybe not, let's keep him team manager until he is 95. Maybe if he lives long enough 105.

Shred wrote:
No…no Kawasaki rider was a top 3 choice last year. …but you said Star also….and 2 of the 3 bikes were Star. Also of note….zero KTM...

No…no Kawasaki rider was a top 3 choice last year. …but you said Star also….and 2 of the 3 bikes were Star. Also of note….zero KTM group bikes on our team last year.  …Also, Tomac rode green in 2018.  …but…imo it is time for Roger to move on.  It’s just not quite as conspiratorial as you make it sound.  

 

I will go further with the Decoster bashing. Each of these riders trains at a facility he specifies, on his bikes, he chose them for his teams. Chase(until next year), Eli, the Lawrences, Roczen, have nothing to do with him, his methods do not produce top riders in this country anymore. Nobody can deny Craig took a step back with the move to his team, and I would not be surprised Chase does.

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10/9/2023 5:32am

Well done Frenchies! Every time they showed Febvre, I thought … The Dogger! Roczen still has it👍. Another reason to not rip & overwater every USA National track…Jet is human…. Thank-you Team USA for representing…..Euros are no joke outdoors! crème brûlée for all…

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10/9/2023 7:59pm
Roczoff wrote:
Enjoy MXoN for what it is: a totally unimportant, bonus race. It means absolutely nothing. There was zip, zero, nada at stake. A win wouldn't have...

Enjoy MXoN for what it is: a totally unimportant, bonus race. It means absolutely nothing. There was zip, zero, nada at stake.

A win wouldn't have improved your status in life. A loss shouldn't bring you down.

 

What are you... some type of communist! Laughing

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