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I’ve been with units that were engaged in theater…starting back when the Shield (1990) became the Storm in ‘91. There were plenty of us civilians around fulfilling rolls from keeping ac turning to operating as FAC in new ac variants that weren’t actually “in service” yet, but got their feet wet during the Storm…trial by fire for newly configured pseudo-test ac that would soon become standardized variants of the Hornet…& later…the Rhino (Super Hornet E/F). Anyways, you get a different perception…a different appreciation of all these things we’re talking about when you witness people going into war and coming out…and sometimes not…which is where I’m coming from in here.
We touched on this previously when I believe you told me I was “adjacent” to it all…if you recall? I smiled when I read that response.
Anyways, that was the beginning of these experiences for me…and then we, America, went back to the Gulf for…Gulf II. Hence, the Bush-Obama Forever War variant of what I was referring to earlier with TM. I think of it as the mood-swing-on-again-off-again war. Complete Shit Show.
My ME experiences…over such a wide period of time gives me the basis for the responses you see in here…like…
If the major ME states are so worried about things, they can put “their boots” on that sandy ground.
You know, I get the glaringly obvious feeling that you don’t believe me and, to that end, it doesn’t matter (I got this from the infamous Dave, too). As I’d told you, before, I had a great gig working for an amazing dude that ran a really cool program. I started out with him when he was the Sr. Program Officer (Officer, as in the Naval Officer/Capt. that was responsible for said program) at a really good company I worked at…and ended up rejoining him as he took a command (COM) position where he recruited me and a few others from the previous program. I’m quite sure you don’t believe that either. That’s ok. You don’t know me…and…more importantly…it doesn’t matter. Besides, it was a lot of amazing experience & accomplishment…that’s more than enough for me and I get to share it with others that were there.
So…there you go, I think that should answer the questions that I think you’re really asking.
They’ll have talks Friday, and President will say they went well. They’ll have more talks after that. Eventually, they’ll come to a deal with the terrorist regime. They’ll get to stay and power and all the thousands killed will be forgotten. They’ll keep funding terror groups and the problem will persist.
So you have 3 options,
1 do nothing
2 make deal
3 military intervention
I'd say #2 is the best case scenario. And it's not just make a deal, it's what's in the deal
About #2
I don’t see the Mullahs letting go of their Nuclear Desires. I’m wondering what becomes of that?
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That’s basically what I meant by 'adjacent' earlier. Civilian program work alongside units and platforms involved in combat, not being the one wearing the boots or taking the shots. That distinction matters for perspective, including when discussing or teaching deployment topics.
Oh…and…
“Bless their hearts.”
Funny thing…we had to follow the uniform and grooming stds when we were on the ground with the unit during ops. Some of the others around here that have been tech-reps in an active zone know how hilarious that was…”Who’s the guy with no unit I.D.? What’s he do?”.
Some folks that had admin responsibilities never had to go farther than the green zone. That must’ve been nice. Operating with fwd air was a bit scarier than that. Pulling FAC duty was a lot scarier. Seeing the vast majority of ops/sorties being successful, for our unit, was very rewarding…yet, sometimes made ya feel bad…feel outright terrible…for other units/platforms that were much more…vulnerable.
The brave men & women that climb that ladder, give the thumbs up, close the canopy…and roll out to another mission into absolute shit…like the Hog community, for example…dude, that bravery is inexplicable.
We’ve got some amazing people serving their country. In every branch.
Pretty sure they know Trump's position on that. You can voluntarily do it my way or we can make you do it my way. JMHO
TM
Make a deal with a regime that killed tens of thousands of its own people, had a nuclear deal they didn’t abide by, and find terrorism globally. Trump will make a deal, and any deal, is terrible with them. They will not abide by it.
Plus, Trump didn’t keep his promise to the protestors. Help never showed up.
And why do you feel that way? Because dumb corrupt people made bad deals in the past? Because dumb corrupt people were afraid to force compliance of said bad deal? Or that it wouldn't matter because the deal was soo bad? Do you think we also shouldn't make deals with China or Russia? Should Trump have snapped his fingers and transported all those ships like David Copperfield does? Or are you just venting what the talking points of the week?
TM
Just to keep terminology clear (I'm a neophyte when it comes to military speak), when you mention going beyond the Green Zone, operating with forward air, and 'pulling FAC duty', are you describing your own civilian support proximity to those operations, or direct operational responsibility?
No, what he should have done was not promise the protestors help was urgently on the way, as anyone would assume, when seeing the situation on the ground. He could see the videos, just like anyone else. Any deal with this regime will not be kept. They’re radical Islamists. Once he puts his attention on something else, they’ll be right back to trying to build a bomb. It’ll be a few months, but Syria will go back to what it was doing too.
He forgets he said, if the regime hurts any protestors he was locked and loaded. We are about 50,000-60,000 later and nothing has been done. He talks about stopping a few hundred hangings, which is doubtful, while thousands more are killed.
The lastest Iranian weather forecast:
Widespread showers of heavy exploding precipitation are expected over Tehran.
Good Christian man right here
It’s what Jesus what have wanted bro
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Israel took out a missile command team today for iran.. we are going to be at war with Iran within the week unfortunately.
Possibly the craziest part of this whole deal is how wildly unpopular a war of aggression against Iran is with voters, and yet the administration just goes right along with it anyways. Zero consent from Congress, no real attempt to get a buy in from the American people, basically just “oh you don’t like this, well fuck you we’re doing it anyways, what are you gonna do about it?”.
Just like they used Iraq War 1 to break the public from their “Vietnam Syndrome” and convince them that a war could be quick and effective (never mind the horrific civilian deaths because those don’t really matter, right?), they’ve used the Venezuela deal to convince a percentage of dumb asses that a renewed war in the Middle East will be no big deal, just like they did the last time we invaded Iraq, killed 1 million people and spent 8-10 trillion dollars we didn’t have.
They don’t give a fuck what voters think. Israel is the boss.
I hate the Iranian government, and aggression would be a direct slap in the face to Russia. I still think war with Iran is not US responsibility, we’ve paid enough in Afghanistan and Iraq. That said I’ll pray for quick ending to this and safety of our troops.
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Might not be our responsibility, but it’s in the best interest of USA and the entire world to take down that regime.
Not in our best interest at all.
If it is in the rest of the world's best interest then let them do it. I'm tire of spending lives and treasure on that giant fucking catbox called the middle east. If Trump goes to war there, he will not finish out his term.
If we don’t deal with them now our children or grandchildren will have to. Same as immigration. The #1 name for newborn boys England is Muhammad. They’re probably already F’d. Trouble in the Middle East sound familiar ?
BS. This is not our problem.
The immigrants in England were invited and they were not from Iran. England did this to themselves and it wasn't because they failed to start a war in the middle east.
Israel is running a literal black mail ring in our government and bleeding us dry with there stupid wars but yes let’s go do another. Fuck me man. When will people like you ever learn cable news is not news it’s propaganda. Do some research. Learn some history.
Ok
So starting another major war and creating yet another refugee crisis is the answer for this? In what world does that make any sense?
Let’s pretend for a minute that the US is successful (whatever that may be) in removing this regime, what happens then? It’s pretty clear that they don’t have anyone lined up to take over, so now we’ve essentially thrown the country into civil war as various factions try to take power and fill the vacuum, does that seem like a good way to solve a refugee crisis?
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