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Edited Date/Time 3/21/2019 12:15am
Has there ever been a factory rider worse than covington in sx?
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3/16/2019 5:42pm
I dont even care anymore....sit out and get ready for moto where he will actually be good at
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3/16/2019 5:43pm Edited Date/Time 3/16/2019 6:11pm
If he's racing without an ACL and his knee is bugging him, this just needs to stop. Get it fixed. It won't get any better continuing to ride, he's not doing anything to progress in SX, and it certainly isn't going to go great in the outdoors with a bad knee and the deep ruts.
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3/16/2019 5:53pm
I sure hope hes a different rider come outdoors
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3/16/2019 6:52pm
I watched him exclusively in the LCQ. I literally doubt he would win the B class at a Supercross Futures race. It was really pathetic. He sure better dominate this summer.
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3/16/2019 7:07pm
I wouldn’t read too much into it, he has proven he can win, winners figure out how to win
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3/16/2019 7:07pm
Let’s see your fussy butts spin some laps
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3/16/2019 7:10pm Edited Date/Time 3/16/2019 7:12pm
You guys have them Twitter fingers moving. The guys was racing gps racing for years. Damn give him some time. Where’s hunter lawerence at?
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3/16/2019 7:11pm
bca wrote:
Has there ever been a factory rider worse than covington in sx?
No there hasn’t been. It sounds harsh, not a judgment of the man or his character but he is with out a doubt the worst factory SX rider I have ever seen.
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3/16/2019 9:03pm
Like a poster above said, it’s time to bag this season, and start outdoor testing. this is embarrassing. And I really wanted to see him succeed.
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3/16/2019 9:38pm Edited Date/Time 3/16/2019 9:38pm
I just don't understand his decisions while racing. He loves to dive inside on someone before SX triples then proceed to roll each jump and lose 4-5 spots in the process. At this point just sit out SX if you aren't even putting the bike in the main and get ready for nationals.
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3/16/2019 10:02pm
Here’s my 2 cents...

Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker...

Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving to Europe, he had virtually no supercross experience.. monster cup is not SX .. it’s very easy for the 85 riders. + no whoops.

He raced In Europe for five years, becoming very very good and winning races here and there. Now he has transitioned back to the US and it’s not as easy as people think it is to just move back to where you’re from after making friends and a home etc in Europe.

Yes, he rides for Rockstar Husqvarna here, just like he did there... but come on, if you think the bikes are the same, you’re crazy... tires, chassis, suspension, etc is all different as you guys have seen how much are done to those GP bikes!

You also have to remember how soft euros run their chassis ... even I struggle with it everytime I go over there, but it’s better on their tracks. He has probably never even had a SX set of suspension until he came back here.

Give him time, he just needs to be comfortable with whoops and big rhythms and riding in 2nd gear and not being in 3-4th gear leaning back wide open for 30 min!

He will be a threat outdoors.

He is simply just learning supercross and getting his feet wet! He will be fine in 2020.
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Here’s my 2 cents... Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker... Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving...
Here’s my 2 cents...

Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker...

Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving to Europe, he had virtually no supercross experience.. monster cup is not SX .. it’s very easy for the 85 riders. + no whoops.

He raced In Europe for five years, becoming very very good and winning races here and there. Now he has transitioned back to the US and it’s not as easy as people think it is to just move back to where you’re from after making friends and a home etc in Europe.

Yes, he rides for Rockstar Husqvarna here, just like he did there... but come on, if you think the bikes are the same, you’re crazy... tires, chassis, suspension, etc is all different as you guys have seen how much are done to those GP bikes!

You also have to remember how soft euros run their chassis ... even I struggle with it everytime I go over there, but it’s better on their tracks. He has probably never even had a SX set of suspension until he came back here.

Give him time, he just needs to be comfortable with whoops and big rhythms and riding in 2nd gear and not being in 3-4th gear leaning back wide open for 30 min!

He will be a threat outdoors.

He is simply just learning supercross and getting his feet wet! He will be fine in 2020.
I hope you stick around here Justin. You can't buy this kind of "post ending" insight. Keep twisting it kid.
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Here’s my 2 cents... Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker... Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving...
Here’s my 2 cents...

Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker...

Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving to Europe, he had virtually no supercross experience.. monster cup is not SX .. it’s very easy for the 85 riders. + no whoops.

He raced In Europe for five years, becoming very very good and winning races here and there. Now he has transitioned back to the US and it’s not as easy as people think it is to just move back to where you’re from after making friends and a home etc in Europe.

Yes, he rides for Rockstar Husqvarna here, just like he did there... but come on, if you think the bikes are the same, you’re crazy... tires, chassis, suspension, etc is all different as you guys have seen how much are done to those GP bikes!

You also have to remember how soft euros run their chassis ... even I struggle with it everytime I go over there, but it’s better on their tracks. He has probably never even had a SX set of suspension until he came back here.

Give him time, he just needs to be comfortable with whoops and big rhythms and riding in 2nd gear and not being in 3-4th gear leaning back wide open for 30 min!

He will be a threat outdoors.

He is simply just learning supercross and getting his feet wet! He will be fine in 2020.
Hey whats this guy know about dirt bike riding anyways? TongueSilly
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Here’s my 2 cents... Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker... Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving...
Here’s my 2 cents...

Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker...

Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving to Europe, he had virtually no supercross experience.. monster cup is not SX .. it’s very easy for the 85 riders. + no whoops.

He raced In Europe for five years, becoming very very good and winning races here and there. Now he has transitioned back to the US and it’s not as easy as people think it is to just move back to where you’re from after making friends and a home etc in Europe.

Yes, he rides for Rockstar Husqvarna here, just like he did there... but come on, if you think the bikes are the same, you’re crazy... tires, chassis, suspension, etc is all different as you guys have seen how much are done to those GP bikes!

You also have to remember how soft euros run their chassis ... even I struggle with it everytime I go over there, but it’s better on their tracks. He has probably never even had a SX set of suspension until he came back here.

Give him time, he just needs to be comfortable with whoops and big rhythms and riding in 2nd gear and not being in 3-4th gear leaning back wide open for 30 min!

He will be a threat outdoors.

He is simply just learning supercross and getting his feet wet! He will be fine in 2020.
Justin, as someone who has had first hand experience, please can you elaborate a little on the differences between US tracks and Euro tracks. Are their settings varstly different from the US teams?

I know they have a different set of rules regarding chassis etc...how much different and are their bikes "that" much better than US spec?

Thank you.
3/17/2019 1:14am
I sure hope we haven't reached the point in this sport at which skills are specialized enough that one cannot be a champion in multiple formats. Other sports have reached that point of specialization of roles, and certainly, after enough iterations, specialists will dominate any discipline, but I am not ready for that yet.
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3/17/2019 1:40am Edited Date/Time 3/17/2019 2:57am
I sure hope we haven't reached the point in this sport at which skills are specialized enough that one cannot be a champion in multiple formats...
I sure hope we haven't reached the point in this sport at which skills are specialized enough that one cannot be a champion in multiple formats. Other sports have reached that point of specialization of roles, and certainly, after enough iterations, specialists will dominate any discipline, but I am not ready for that yet.
I don't think so because this is only one example. Look at Weltin. He rode GPs and the EMX series for years and he has been decent. It would've been interesting to see Lawrence race SX this year.

But that could sadly be the future. Especially if nothing changes regarding the US "amateur" scene and how they develop compared to the EMX system. US kids are getting more and more customed to short races and SX style tracks while the Euro based kids are racing 25 min + 2 lap races on the same tracks as the GP riders.

But now to Covington. This was one of the easiest layouts that i have seen for a long time. A guy with his talent should do so much better than this. His knee has to be the reason for this. I have still faith in him!
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3/17/2019 3:02am Edited Date/Time 3/17/2019 3:03am
I sure hope we haven't reached the point in this sport at which skills are specialized enough that one cannot be a champion in multiple formats...
I sure hope we haven't reached the point in this sport at which skills are specialized enough that one cannot be a champion in multiple formats. Other sports have reached that point of specialization of roles, and certainly, after enough iterations, specialists will dominate any discipline, but I am not ready for that yet.
I think we have reached that point, a while ago.

The GP guys are MX specialists, the US guys are forced to be SX specialists that can also rip around a motocross track, and that shows when the two face off at a race like the MXoN. Look at the MXGP schedule and look at the US schedule, which is 17 rounds of SX, 12 rounds of MX.

Like it or not, the US market puts more stock in SX and it is vastly different than MX. That’s why you never see a GP rider come over and find instant success in SX. It takes time to figure out and the time spent learning SX takes time away from your MX skills.
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3/17/2019 3:29am
Here’s my 2 cents... Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker... Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving...
Here’s my 2 cents...

Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker...

Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving to Europe, he had virtually no supercross experience.. monster cup is not SX .. it’s very easy for the 85 riders. + no whoops.

He raced In Europe for five years, becoming very very good and winning races here and there. Now he has transitioned back to the US and it’s not as easy as people think it is to just move back to where you’re from after making friends and a home etc in Europe.

Yes, he rides for Rockstar Husqvarna here, just like he did there... but come on, if you think the bikes are the same, you’re crazy... tires, chassis, suspension, etc is all different as you guys have seen how much are done to those GP bikes!

You also have to remember how soft euros run their chassis ... even I struggle with it everytime I go over there, but it’s better on their tracks. He has probably never even had a SX set of suspension until he came back here.

Give him time, he just needs to be comfortable with whoops and big rhythms and riding in 2nd gear and not being in 3-4th gear leaning back wide open for 30 min!

He will be a threat outdoors.

He is simply just learning supercross and getting his feet wet! He will be fine in 2020.
I don’t know what’s going on.
Rookies seem to be able to jump in and get going ok for the most part.
Is coming back from Europe more of a disadvantage than a first year pro in the class?
He’s had a lot of time to test on factory equipment.
Hopefully he figures it out.
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I sure hope we haven't reached the point in this sport at which skills are specialized enough that one cannot be a champion in multiple formats...
I sure hope we haven't reached the point in this sport at which skills are specialized enough that one cannot be a champion in multiple formats. Other sports have reached that point of specialization of roles, and certainly, after enough iterations, specialists will dominate any discipline, but I am not ready for that yet.
aeffertz wrote:
I think we have reached that point, a while ago. The GP guys are MX specialists, the US guys are forced to be SX specialists that...
I think we have reached that point, a while ago.

The GP guys are MX specialists, the US guys are forced to be SX specialists that can also rip around a motocross track, and that shows when the two face off at a race like the MXoN. Look at the MXGP schedule and look at the US schedule, which is 17 rounds of SX, 12 rounds of MX.

Like it or not, the US market puts more stock in SX and it is vastly different than MX. That’s why you never see a GP rider come over and find instant success in SX. It takes time to figure out and the time spent learning SX takes time away from your MX skills.
It’s all about talent. Stewart skipped nationals for nearly 3 years hopped on a new bike and went out winning right away against a guy like Dungey. Windham was off for over a year thinking about retiring and comes back better then ever nearly wins his first race back.
Roczen from the second half of SX 16 through his injury in 17 would have been a favorite at any track indoors or out sans Sand. Without his injury there is your guy, again talent. Tomac won the big three in a one year in 16 after coming off a massive injury the year before. Musquin would be a top contender on certain GP tracks look at the last time he want to Ernee after being out of Europe for years. RV won his second GP race after being out of Moto for well over a year and going somewhere new, talent.
Forkner and the Baby Jesus look to be coming on real strong, if they carry it over to the outdoors which I think they will who is to say they can’t do it all?
It’s all about talent and always has been.
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3/17/2019 4:07am
how did he do in his very first SX race ? that shows he can do better , has been injured and might still be injured

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3/17/2019 4:22am Edited Date/Time 3/17/2019 4:32am
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It’s all about talent. Stewart skipped nationals for nearly 3 years hopped on a new bike and went out winning right away against a guy like...
It’s all about talent. Stewart skipped nationals for nearly 3 years hopped on a new bike and went out winning right away against a guy like Dungey. Windham was off for over a year thinking about retiring and comes back better then ever nearly wins his first race back.
Roczen from the second half of SX 16 through his injury in 17 would have been a favorite at any track indoors or out sans Sand. Without his injury there is your guy, again talent. Tomac won the big three in a one year in 16 after coming off a massive injury the year before. Musquin would be a top contender on certain GP tracks look at the last time he want to Ernee after being out of Europe for years. RV won his second GP race after being out of Moto for well over a year and going somewhere new, talent.
Forkner and the Baby Jesus look to be coming on real strong, if they carry it over to the outdoors which I think they will who is to say they can’t do it all?
It’s all about talent and always has been.
I never argued talent. Haven’t the phrases ”better SX guy” or “better outdoor guy” been in place for a while? Meaning the two talents aren’t mutually exclusive.

Is it impossible? Absolutely not. There are a handful of guys with both SX and MX titles. Just seems like there’s a divide in SX talent and MX talent, especially in recent years.

Shit, I might’ve lost my train of thought and changed the discussion a bit because I agree. Grinning

The sport isn’t at a point where a rider can’t be a champion in both. But I think spending half the year training for SX takes away from your outdoor talent a bit. A Tomac that has been practicing MX for a year is going to beat a Tomac that has been practicing SX for 6 Months and MX for 6 months in an outdoor race.
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3/17/2019 4:42am Edited Date/Time 3/17/2019 4:43am
I still think that something is wrong with him (knee). If you have the talent to win GPs you have the talent to qualify on a basic SX track.

It would be crazy if he actually is that good on a MX track and this bad on a SX track.
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3/17/2019 4:48am Edited Date/Time 3/17/2019 4:53am
Here’s my 2 cents... Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker... Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving...
Here’s my 2 cents...

Genuinely like the dude, great person and hard worker...

Now, he lived in Belgium for 5 years.. riding Lommel etc. before moving to Europe, he had virtually no supercross experience.. monster cup is not SX .. it’s very easy for the 85 riders. + no whoops.

He raced In Europe for five years, becoming very very good and winning races here and there. Now he has transitioned back to the US and it’s not as easy as people think it is to just move back to where you’re from after making friends and a home etc in Europe.

Yes, he rides for Rockstar Husqvarna here, just like he did there... but come on, if you think the bikes are the same, you’re crazy... tires, chassis, suspension, etc is all different as you guys have seen how much are done to those GP bikes!

You also have to remember how soft euros run their chassis ... even I struggle with it everytime I go over there, but it’s better on their tracks. He has probably never even had a SX set of suspension until he came back here.

Give him time, he just needs to be comfortable with whoops and big rhythms and riding in 2nd gear and not being in 3-4th gear leaning back wide open for 30 min!

He will be a threat outdoors.

He is simply just learning supercross and getting his feet wet! He will be fine in 2020.
I don’t know what’s going on. Rookies seem to be able to jump in and get going ok for the most part. Is coming back from...
I don’t know what’s going on.
Rookies seem to be able to jump in and get going ok for the most part.
Is coming back from Europe more of a disadvantage than a first year pro in the class?
He’s had a lot of time to test on factory equipment.
Hopefully he figures it out.
Exactly, rookies for the most part jump in and get going ok!

This isn't a coming home from Europe or GP racer thing, it's a Thomas Covington thing!

Zacho had a 4-5 year SX sabbatical and came over (as a GP rider) to qualify 3rd and finish inside the top ten. The following year he came back full-time and look where his career went!

Pourcel came over (as a GP rider), qualified 3rd and finished 2nd in his first ever SX. The following weekend he qualified 1st and finished 1st, laying wood to the likes of RV. Two years later he came over full-time and won consecutive regional titles.

Roczen qualified 1st in his first ever SX.

Tonus qualified 2nd in his first ever SX.

Rattray finished on the podium in his first ever SX.

Musquin finished 4th in his first ever SX.

Anstie qualified 2nd in his first ever SX.

Both Searle and Ferrandis qualified and finished inside the top ten in their first ever SX.

Granted, these names didn't all reach their potential or succeed, but they showed speed from the off as 'MX specialists', just like most rookies who come into the class do! Therefore Thomas Covington's scenario isn't normal, he's clearly struggling to adapt like few before him but the alleged knee injury can't be helping.
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3/17/2019 4:53am
I sure hope we haven't reached the point in this sport at which skills are specialized enough that one cannot be a champion in multiple formats...
I sure hope we haven't reached the point in this sport at which skills are specialized enough that one cannot be a champion in multiple formats. Other sports have reached that point of specialization of roles, and certainly, after enough iterations, specialists will dominate any discipline, but I am not ready for that yet.
aeffertz wrote:
I think we have reached that point, a while ago. The GP guys are MX specialists, the US guys are forced to be SX specialists that...
I think we have reached that point, a while ago.

The GP guys are MX specialists, the US guys are forced to be SX specialists that can also rip around a motocross track, and that shows when the two face off at a race like the MXoN. Look at the MXGP schedule and look at the US schedule, which is 17 rounds of SX, 12 rounds of MX.

Like it or not, the US market puts more stock in SX and it is vastly different than MX. That’s why you never see a GP rider come over and find instant success in SX. It takes time to figure out and the time spent learning SX takes time away from your MX skills.
In a perfect world the usa teams would have sx only riders and seperate mx only riders. Let each focus on 1 form of motorsport. Would allow for expanded us national series, no injury carryover, etc.

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3/17/2019 4:55am
He may ride the ropes in supercross this season but hes going to come out swinging like a heavyweight when they take this fight outdoors.

Huge fan of his and Im excited hes back in the states.

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