Tomac Clutch Problem?

Kennyfreemoney
Edited Date/Time 10/6/2020 4:02pm
Did I miss what happened? Haven’t heard a thing. Ran a 2:11 , 2:16 messing with the clutch lever, then a 2:11 again??
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Langhammx 10/4/2020 4:21pm
10/4/2020 4:21pm
Nothing new here... he’s hard on the clutch
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Kennyfreemoney 10/4/2020 4:23pm
10/4/2020 4:23pm
Langhammx wrote:
Nothing new here... he’s hard on the clutch
Obviously. But if the clutch was failing, he wouldn’t have jumped back up to 2:11 lap times. Clutches don’t go bad for 1 lap
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ZOBITO 10/4/2020 4:26pm
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He said something went wrong with his clutch and then got back to normal.
Glassworker 10/4/2020 4:27pm
10/4/2020 4:27pm
Question, if indeed it is a clutch issue,

Is a full "Hinson" clutch similarly reliable in all the different makes, or do their inherent engine designs create reliability? issues?

yes, probably it is just be down to ET3 being hard on clutches compared to AC9.
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OLDMOTO 10/4/2020 4:30pm
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I saw him messing with the clutch lever. WTF was he doing, there's no adjuster.
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ti473 10/4/2020 4:39pm
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I think he was just waiting on AC, but once he saw AC still couldn’t pass him he just said Eff it, see ya.
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str8line 10/4/2020 4:57pm
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ti473 wrote:
I think he was just waiting on AC, but once he saw AC still couldn’t pass him he just said Eff it, see ya.
Interesting. Wouldn't surprise me. Tomac is that type of dude.
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Brad460 10/4/2020 5:11pm
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Wouldn’t have clutch problems if he ran Tusk plates...
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Lukass59 10/4/2020 5:33pm
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I’d bet he had an air bubble in his line
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dkurtd 10/4/2020 6:16pm
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All I'll say is Tomac has always been hard on clutches but I don't remember him having any DNF's prior to the juice clutch. May be time to throw it away and put a cable back on it and go get some of those heavy duty Pro Circuit clutch springs as he may not realize how much he's riding the clutch with such an easy pull.

Also it would allow for him to adjust it if needed as the moto went on.
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cwel11 10/4/2020 6:18pm
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Really don’t understand how Kawi can’t get him a better setup with a clutch. I really don’t remember him frying clutches on his Honda. Unless his riding style has changed that much since he’s on green.
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tonyd811 10/4/2020 7:16pm
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I really think with the amount of times ET was looking back and the "unique" hand movements trying to fix a clutch that is basically unfixable up top (reservoir/lever/perch) that he was trying to help out the team. 100%. I swear dude was doing a wind-out motion at one point as if it was a cable clutch. I commend him on his effort.
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Leeham 10/4/2020 7:18pm
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They managed to put the oil cooler back on this bike. I remember some media outlet awhile back was talking about the black box on the left side of the cylinder being an oil cooler. I noticed its back on the bike. Increased oil capacity and cooling is obviously needed for him so he can fry his bike. Im sure having a easier clutch pull attracts his finger to work it. AC doesnt have the cooler either
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BikePilot 10/4/2020 7:45pm
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He was definitely messing with the lever. It did look for a second like he was spinning a quick adjust cable clutch, but I think he was tapping the lever a bunch. Maybe it lost its bleed a bit and then pumped back up or had a rock or some dirt keeping it from moving all the way.
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He should have used a tusk clutch...ask anyone on this board...they are the best Silly Silly Silly
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BikePilot wrote:
He was definitely messing with the lever. It did look for a second like he was spinning a quick adjust cable clutch, but I think he...
He was definitely messing with the lever. It did look for a second like he was spinning a quick adjust cable clutch, but I think he was tapping the lever a bunch. Maybe it lost its bleed a bit and then pumped back up or had a rock or some dirt keeping it from moving all the way.
Correct answer
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NoonMoon 10/4/2020 8:12pm
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Kennyfreemoney wrote:
Obviously. But if the clutch was failing, he wouldn’t have jumped back up to 2:11 lap times. Clutches don’t go bad for 1 lap
He had a rock caught in the pivot. He said as much
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Langhammx wrote:
Nothing new here... he’s hard on the clutch
Kennyfreemoney wrote:
Obviously. But if the clutch was failing, he wouldn’t have jumped back up to 2:11 lap times. Clutches don’t go bad for 1 lap
Yes they do if a rock gets caught. He had just passed Enticknapp.

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jorgechavez 10/4/2020 8:19pm
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Leeham wrote:
They managed to put the oil cooler back on this bike. I remember some media outlet awhile back was talking about the black box on the...
They managed to put the oil cooler back on this bike. I remember some media outlet awhile back was talking about the black box on the left side of the cylinder being an oil cooler. I noticed its back on the bike. Increased oil capacity and cooling is obviously needed for him so he can fry his bike. Im sure having a easier clutch pull attracts his finger to work it. AC doesnt have the cooler either
AC does have the oil cooler, you can see it quite clearly in this picture taken at Red Bud (black thing on the side of the engine).
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Leeham 10/4/2020 11:02pm
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Welp I didnt see it, I stand corrected. Either way, but maybe im wrong again but it seems Kawi is the only bike running an oil cooler. Bike appears to need more oil but im a shitty c class rider so it would never be a problem for me lol
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bigk218 10/4/2020 11:40pm
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Bunching technique. (Just kidding). I really think he wanted to play a little cat and mouse with ac to re establish dominance under the green awning. I think we can all agree that Tomac would rather see anyone but ac win the title.
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Hrzk75 10/5/2020 12:07am
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Leeham wrote:
Welp I didnt see it, I stand corrected. Either way, but maybe im wrong again but it seems Kawi is the only bike running an oil...
Welp I didnt see it, I stand corrected. Either way, but maybe im wrong again but it seems Kawi is the only bike running an oil cooler. Bike appears to need more oil but im a shitty c class rider so it would never be a problem for me lol
Jgr suzuki aswell, small one behind the radiator
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ctbale 10/5/2020 1:03am
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It looked like he was slapping the lever from the top to adjust it down. Then I was thinkin pumping it to get px back. But in the interview he said it "fixed itself".
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wwoberg 10/5/2020 2:44am
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I'm actually in agreement with the teammate theory. Once he saw Osborne was right on AC he said forget it.
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soggy 10/5/2020 5:35am
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You guys and your tinfoil hats
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Leeham wrote:
They managed to put the oil cooler back on this bike. I remember some media outlet awhile back was talking about the black box on the...
They managed to put the oil cooler back on this bike. I remember some media outlet awhile back was talking about the black box on the left side of the cylinder being an oil cooler. I noticed its back on the bike. Increased oil capacity and cooling is obviously needed for him so he can fry his bike. Im sure having a easier clutch pull attracts his finger to work it. AC doesnt have the cooler either

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amard 10/5/2020 6:05am
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Langhammx wrote:
Nothing new here... he’s hard on the clutch
Yeah only problem is he doesn’t know how to stay off it!
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gregyou 10/5/2020 6:10am
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The amount of times he looked back sure made it look like he was waiting.
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PRM31 10/5/2020 6:27am
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It sure looked like he was considering helping AC get a few points, then decided it wasn’t going to happen and left.
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Jeremy Macbeth 10/5/2020 8:24am
10/5/2020 8:24am Edited Date/Time 10/5/2020 8:27am
I'm going with the theory Eli was faking a fading clutch to let his teammate catch up. The theatrical mid-air clutch lever flinging business makes more sense now.
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