Should Lappers be black flagged?

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1/24/2021 6:40am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2021 7:08am
No, lappers are part of every motorsport. Stop crying
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TBOLTUSA
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1/24/2021 6:53am
The leader should learn how to pull away from 2nd place and how to go around slower riders
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KR94 is in the points chase

It's the final race of the season, and Roczen goes down!

Roczen is limping around the track, trying to salvage a few points to secure the championship.

He only has to pass a couple of riders.

Oops, Webb just lapped him

Game over

Webb wins the championship by lapping Roczen

Too bad
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Maybe they shouldn't be racing arenacross tracks which creates so many lappers......
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A 125 class needs to be added to the program and reduce the mains to a 15 manned event. 3 main events 125, 250 and 450. Also with all the tech available the logistics could be updated rather than pit boards, flags, communication etc.
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I'm sorry but no privateers should even be considered for the 450 class. That should be the premier class and reserved for the best riders in the world.
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Shoot them, shoot them all
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EngIceDave
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peltier626 wrote:
I'm sorry but no privateers should even be considered for the 450 class. That should be the premier class and reserved for the best riders in...
I'm sorry but no privateers should even be considered for the 450 class. That should be the premier class and reserved for the best riders in the world.
This will make you popular
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First offense = warning
Second offense = Fine
Third offense = You don’t get heat races. You have to qualify from the LCQ.
Fourth offense = 2 race suspension
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Racer_336 wrote:
First offense = warning Second offense = Fine Third offense = You don’t get heat races. You have to qualify from the LCQ. Fourth offense =...
First offense = warning
Second offense = Fine
Third offense = You don’t get heat races. You have to qualify from the LCQ.
Fourth offense = 2 race suspension
What are the offenses though?? Lappers are racing too. Dudes out there kill themselves for a 12th place finish or anywhere top 15. Apparently you guys have all forgotten this is motocross and lappers are part of the game. Typical shit nowadays though, things get difficult and someone’s favorite can’t win, might as well minus everyone in his way. Fuckin incredible what some of you post on here.
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1/24/2021 8:53am
How about if we just beat the lappers with a rubber hose.
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The answer is really simple, riders should have communication instead of the archaic pit boards like every other motor sport. That way it would be an easy “leaders coming mover over” instead of the silly blue flags. The reason we don’t have it now was Honda blocked the REACT radio system in the late 80’s as they thought it would help the other teams catch up to their dominance and the ama wilted to the pressure. Time to come out of the stone ages.
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1/24/2021 9:03am
The offense is disregarding a race flag. If you disregard a red cross flag there are serious consequences, same should be true for blue flags.

If you get pulled over for running a red light you could tell the cop I didn’t see it, doesn’t usually work though.
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1/24/2021 9:05am
They should hold their line and let the faster rider find a way by. Assuming the lead rider isn’t fading, they should have no problem finding a way around a guy they just put a whole lap on.
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1/24/2021 9:06am
Lappers are part of the sport, like them or hate them, they are here to stay. Ferrandis finished 2nd last week, last night he got lapped. There are too many variants that come into play on any given night. Roczen himself got lapped last year.

Take a page from MotoGP or even better, read Valentino's Biography, he explains lappers and how to deal with them.

By thinking ahead and anticipating the scenario one may find themselves in towards the end of the race one may enter the last two laps better prepared. Roczen had choices that he never even thought of. He could have moved Dean out of the way sooner, it's risky but it was an option. Roczen could have let Webb by (sooner) and followed him into the lappers, Webb would have had to deal with Ferrandis and Wilson and all Roczen would then need to worry about is making the last minute pass for the win.

It's racing, its exciting and in my opinion, last night Webb was coming on strong and even without lappers I'd say Webb would have Picked Roczen's pocket.

Ken's mature enough to move on and focus on Rnd 4.
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Every lapper gets a helmet slap from DV
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So Kenny gets docked 4 points, for a single infraction, with a rider down out of his sight, and poorly placed flags, but Deano gets to ride a lap ignoring blues and fuck all happens.

One changes the the course of the race , and the other doesnt.

Explain please.
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xrmark wrote:
What are the offenses though?? Lappers are racing too. Dudes out there kill themselves for a 12th place finish or anywhere top 15. Apparently you guys...
What are the offenses though?? Lappers are racing too. Dudes out there kill themselves for a 12th place finish or anywhere top 15. Apparently you guys have all forgotten this is motocross and lappers are part of the game. Typical shit nowadays though, things get difficult and someone’s favorite can’t win, might as well minus everyone in his way. Fuckin incredible what some of you post on here.
If you're not a winner, you're a loser
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1/24/2021 9:29am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2021 9:33am
Racer_336 wrote:
First offense = warning Second offense = Fine Third offense = You don’t get heat races. You have to qualify from the LCQ. Fourth offense =...
First offense = warning
Second offense = Fine
Third offense = You don’t get heat races. You have to qualify from the LCQ.
Fourth offense = 2 race suspension
xrmark wrote:
What are the offenses though?? Lappers are racing too. Dudes out there kill themselves for a 12th place finish or anywhere top 15. Apparently you guys...
What are the offenses though?? Lappers are racing too. Dudes out there kill themselves for a 12th place finish or anywhere top 15. Apparently you guys have all forgotten this is motocross and lappers are part of the game. Typical shit nowadays though, things get difficult and someone’s favorite can’t win, might as well minus everyone in his way. Fuckin incredible what some of you post on here.
Same offense for not yielding to a Red Cross Flagg. You don’t move over like the blue flag states, you’ve violated a flag. A violation is a violation. Not sure what part of that confuses you. They are racing for position on Red Cross flags as well. Your argument holds no merit.

Im pulling for Tomac, Brayton and Mookie. Roczen is not my guy. I just call bullshit when I see it. The AMA docked him 6 positions. This was no different than Reeds bullshit in 2016 on Dungey. I was never a Dungey fan either, but that was BS as well.
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1/24/2021 9:47am
philG wrote:
So Kenny gets docked 4 points, for a single infraction, with a rider down out of his sight, and poorly placed flags, but Deano gets to...
So Kenny gets docked 4 points, for a single infraction, with a rider down out of his sight, and poorly placed flags, but Deano gets to ride a lap ignoring blues and fuck all happens.

One changes the the course of the race , and the other doesnt.

Explain please.
I can't explain all of it but leave out the poorly placed red cross flag from previous race because the aerial photo showed the red cross flag directly in line with Ken's line of vision. Did he see it maybe not but it was clearly there and Ferrandis was not blocking it.
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1/24/2021 9:50am Edited Date/Time 1/24/2021 9:52am
Kick em off....so there are 2-6 riders on the track, sounds very entertaining, spaced up to 30 seconds back on a 48sec lap track (lastnight 6th 30sec back from leader at the finish)
Lights on the bar pad or bike would work till someone showed the wrong rider the light....then what happens???
Can’t ride the “race line” so now if 1-2 are battling they get to play follow the leader in the “race line” ok but that could be the sections where 2 is faster then 1 so you just f*cked 2nd outta the possibility of passing (like a lapper does) essentially causing the same issue just with the rule book.
How about the mechanics write “1st/2nd 2seconds back” on the pit board? Or some variation....watch the blue flags? Something like that. It boils down to communication, that’s where the issue lies. Coms in the helmets could work too for this. But some way to get the point across (stay in your race, but move for the leaders they’re coming quick)
I don’t think there’s too many riders.....put a 15 rider cap on the main gate, then there is the dungey air shock fiasco happens in your heat. now your in the lcq and you get the b-main cause well, we only take 15 riders. So you’re giving up 18+ points to whoever wins.....hope the championship doesn’t come down to 18 or less......
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Lappers make the racing interesting and less unpredictable
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1/24/2021 9:58am
TXDirt wrote:
Serious question. If you get lapped then get off the track. I think this would allow for better racing towards the end of the race. If...
Serious question. If you get lapped then get off the track. I think this would allow for better racing towards the end of the race. If you end the race with only 7-10 people on the main lap then that’s for the best.

I sorta think we have too many riders on a SX track. 15-20 place are not really contributing much to the program. Sorry if that is harsh. Maybe have a B main for them. That wound give the fans another gate drop. Maybe a 10 minute B main.

Limit the A main to 12-15 riders max. Go rewatch some races and you will see some guys literally quit after the start and just coast around the whole main. They are just happy to be in it and are not competitive at all.

Limit the A main to the top 15 max. Maybe even top 10.
While I don’t agree with this, even if it were put in place it wouldn’t have impacted the results last night. Wilson hadn’t been lapped yet so he wouldn’t have been pulled off the track. The root issue is making it easier to identify when you’re being lapped. They wave the blue flags when the leader is a lame behind. It should be reserved for when they’re right about to be there and if you don’t move, you’re fined.
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This year, since they are racing 40 second arenacross type tracks, once you are lapped, your race is over and should be forced to pull off.... those who refuse to pull over, should be black flagged and omitted from further competition that year..... letting lappers ruin a race is the LAST thing anybody wants....
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1/24/2021 10:06am
Quite a coincidence that the most notorious, horrible lapping incidents involve seasoned, talented veteran riders hogging up main racing lines, NOT bumbling clueless privateers.

Any rider smart enough to seriously hold up Dungey/Roczen knows EXACTLY what he is doing.
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1/24/2021 10:43am
TbonesPop wrote:
Its not fair to the leader of the race to have to figure a way to pass lappers, but the 2nd and 3rd (And so on)...
Its not fair to the leader of the race to have to figure a way to pass lappers, but the 2nd and 3rd (And so on) riders don't have to navigate the same back markers. That penalizes the leader (only the leader). The current rules and #s of riders in the main are fine. The AMA just needs to be more strict at enforcing rules or administering fines when riders don't follow the rules. If a lapper knows he's got a $5K or $10K (depending on severity) fine coming for not giving way to the leaders, I guarantee he'll get out of the way with little issue.
true, but it would tighten up the field and could make for better races.
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1/24/2021 10:48am
LAPPERS are a part of this. Some people that race with their mind use LAPPERS to their advantage.

All this BS aside Dean Wilson shouldn’t have been a LAPPER. He was doing what he does and the real race caught him. His speed and skill level are where this should never have happened.
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1/24/2021 10:52am
TXDirt wrote:
Serious question. If you get lapped then get off the track. I think this would allow for better racing towards the end of the race. If...
Serious question. If you get lapped then get off the track. I think this would allow for better racing towards the end of the race. If you end the race with only 7-10 people on the main lap then that’s for the best.

I sorta think we have too many riders on a SX track. 15-20 place are not really contributing much to the program. Sorry if that is harsh. Maybe have a B main for them. That wound give the fans another gate drop. Maybe a 10 minute B main.

Limit the A main to 12-15 riders max. Go rewatch some races and you will see some guys literally quit after the start and just coast around the whole main. They are just happy to be in it and are not competitive at all.

Limit the A main to the top 15 max. Maybe even top 10.
First of all.

What kind of helmet do you wear?
1/24/2021 10:55am
philG wrote:
So Kenny gets docked 4 points, for a single infraction, with a rider down out of his sight, and poorly placed flags, but Deano gets to...
So Kenny gets docked 4 points, for a single infraction, with a rider down out of his sight, and poorly placed flags, but Deano gets to ride a lap ignoring blues and fuck all happens.

One changes the the course of the race , and the other doesnt.

Explain please.
One flag has serious health consequences for downed rider and track crews attending to downed hurt rider.

The other flag is a please get out of the way for the faster riders coming up behind you.

#15 defiantly messed up holding up the front runners. #94 defiantly messed up jumping the red cross flag. Putting riders/track crew safety at risk should hold huge repercussions. Not getting out of the way for faster riders should have mild repercussions.
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