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2/18/2019 12:07 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/18/2019 12:08 AM

I don't really mind this segment, sometimes I actually quite enjoy it.

But I don't get why they don't cover the girl stars of our support like Hannah Hodges, Let's see what Ashley is up too, let's talk about Patterson's career, Vikki Golden, etc.

I feel like there is so much content from really talented women in our sport and they aren't tapping into it.

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2/18/2019 12:21 AM

Ashley is getting married.

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2/18/2019 3:08 AM

I love chicks that ride hard

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2/18/2019 5:30 AM

Hannah was featured when the series first started airing.
Ashley was at my store a few months back and I saw her the other day, she has been doing MX schools and just hanging around.

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2/18/2019 7:07 AM

I think it's stupid. Would much rather they show the KTM jr's race. Or have a segment on the standout youngsters to watch for. Get fans interested in certain riders early in their career.

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2/18/2019 11:15 AM

feelit2morrow wrote:

I think it's stupid. Would much rather they show the KTM jr's race. Or have a segment on the standout youngsters to watch for. Get fans interested in certain riders early in their career.

I never really thought about before but now that you say it why wouldn't they show the Junior race or as much of it as possible it seems that would do a lot to get young kids interested imo

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2/18/2019 11:23 AM
Edited Date/Time: 2/18/2019 11:23 AM

Make up to Mud is a Toyota segment and part of their campaign in the sport. Toyota is a sponsor, so I guess they get their time slot. KTM race is a KTM/Feld thing.

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2/18/2019 11:35 AM

It’s a Toyota sponsored segment that is trying to connect to 50% of the population to let them know that women of all levels can be involved in motorcycle riding and that Motorcycles aren’t scary.

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2/18/2019 11:38 AM

KirkChandler wrote:

It’s a Toyota sponsored segment that is trying to connect to 50% of the population to let them know that women of all levels can be involved in motorcycle riding and that Motorcycles aren’t scary.

Close
Its a corny Toyota segment to try to sell more toyotas. They dont give a fuck about motorcycles.

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2/18/2019 11:42 AM

akmx17 wrote:

I don't really mind this segment, sometimes I actually quite enjoy it.

But I don't get why they don't cover the girl stars of our support like Hannah Hodges, Let's see what Ashley is up too, let's talk about Patterson's career, Vikki Golden, etc.

I feel like there is so much content from really talented women in our sport and they aren't tapping into it.

Agreed half these girls ride foo foo bikes and do the real riders a disservice

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2/18/2019 11:47 AM

Toyota has a purpose in this that hopefully benefits the moto industry as well as truck sales. More people that get interested in riding buy bikes and gear. Then may need a vehicle to haul their bike. Some may buy trucks, some my choose Toyota trucks. There's Toyotas winning purpose.

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2/18/2019 11:48 AM

I like it. I like hearing the stories.

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2/18/2019 12:09 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/18/2019 12:11 PM

akmx17 wrote:

I don't really mind this segment, sometimes I actually quite enjoy it.

But I don't get why they don't cover the girl stars of our support like Hannah Hodges, Let's see what Ashley is up too, let's talk about Patterson's career, Vikki Golden, etc.

I feel like there is so much content from really talented women in our sport and they aren't tapping into it.

mxer15 wrote:

Agreed half these girls ride foo foo bikes and do the real riders a disservice

We need a TON more people in the sport like this and less "racers"

If you want to watch segments on good riders, i don't know, maybe watch the FUCKING PRO RACE ON TV that your already watching and ignore the 2 minutes of air time the m2m segment is over the 3 hour broadcast???

Toyota markets to our segment because our segment NEEDS a truckto GO riding. If more people rode - more people would want a truck - win win.

This whole subject has been heavily debated many times on this forum. Sucks to re visit it each time. But if 10 percent of the woman who watched sx decided to go buy motorcyles form this makeup to mud segment - we'd have a MASSIVE increase in bike sales. The male involvement to riding is already maxed out.

THAT is the whole point. motorcycles right now are somewhere along 95-98 percent male. and about 50 percent of them ride worse than those woman on TV. For all the hotshots on this forum who act like they can ride - then get whooped at local tracks by the caliber girls that made up make2mud last year...

Most people on here if video'd for their own segment - would look like shit. The top pro's being the comparison basis makes decent riders look like total shit.

Hell a 40th place outdoor pro - smokes everyone on here (maybe 1 percent that's not true?) and looks pathetically slow vs the 1st place outdoor pro.
So a mid pack local c rider or even a loretta's C rider (who everyone bitches about) - looks terribly slow.

Anyways - we COULD focus on top amateurs for a TV segment - and get what out of it? Press for the kid who already has sponsors and a factory ride?
No increase in viewership?
No possibility of expanding market?

Our do we focus on the non factory 5-10 place amateurs? This would piss of the factory kids and sponsors who rightfully deserve the coverage for THEIR sponsors....

I think more personality pieces on our pro's would be good - but they have been reluctant to do the segments (feld has asked)




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2/18/2019 12:14 PM

level wrote:

I like it. I like hearing the stories.

I like everything dirt bike related and i like the Makeup2mud segments personally, but as far as growing to sport i think there are things that could be more beneficial, but i wasnt thinking specifically about selling Toyotas, if i was just trying to sell Toyota trucks i would do a segment every week where i haul a couple bikes in the back of a Toyota Pickup and go to a local track in the state we are in each week and show the truck pulling in and out of the track
And have it in the background everytime they are talking etc etc.

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2/18/2019 12:18 PM

I don’t mind it. I don’t understand what the issue is with the segment. It’s like a minute or two long and gives something the wives/girlfriends/ daughters to be interested in.

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2/18/2019 12:28 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/18/2019 12:32 PM

akmx17 wrote:

I don't really mind this segment, sometimes I actually quite enjoy it.

But I don't get why they don't cover the girl stars of our support like Hannah Hodges, Let's see what Ashley is up too, let's talk about Patterson's career, Vikki Golden, etc.

I feel like there is so much content from really talented women in our sport and they aren't tapping into it.

mxer15 wrote:

Agreed half these girls ride foo foo bikes and do the real riders a disservice

Derek Harris wrote:

We need a TON more people in the sport like this and less "racers"

If you want to watch segments on good riders, i don't know, maybe watch the FUCKING PRO RACE ON TV that your already watching and ignore the 2 minutes of air time the m2m segment is over the 3 hour broadcast???

Toyota markets to our segment because our segment NEEDS a truckto GO riding. If more people rode - more people would want a truck - win win.

This whole subject has been heavily debated many times on this forum. Sucks to re visit it each time. But if 10 percent of the woman who watched sx decided to go buy motorcyles form this makeup to mud segment - we'd have a MASSIVE increase in bike sales. The male involvement to riding is already maxed out.

THAT is the whole point. motorcycles right now are somewhere along 95-98 percent male. and about 50 percent of them ride worse than those woman on TV. For all the hotshots on this forum who act like they can ride - then get whooped at local tracks by the caliber girls that made up make2mud last year...

Most people on here if video'd for their own segment - would look like shit. The top pro's being the comparison basis makes decent riders look like total shit.

Hell a 40th place outdoor pro - smokes everyone on here (maybe 1 percent that's not true?) and looks pathetically slow vs the 1st place outdoor pro.
So a mid pack local c rider or even a loretta's C rider (who everyone bitches about) - looks terribly slow.

Anyways - we COULD focus on top amateurs for a TV segment - and get what out of it? Press for the kid who already has sponsors and a factory ride?
No increase in viewership?
No possibility of expanding market?

Our do we focus on the non factory 5-10 place amateurs? This would piss of the factory kids and sponsors who rightfully deserve the coverage for THEIR sponsors....

I think more personality pieces on our pro's would be good - but they have been reluctant to do the segments (feld has asked)




Very well put and i agree with all of your points except for 1
And that is that the its maxed out for males
I really dont think thats true, i think this is a wierd time for the sport of mx because i think there is a huge portion of the population that knows absolutely nothing about it, as a core fan i have a hard time even finding anyone to talk to that has ever tried riding a dirtbike, imo in the 1970's and 1980's i would estimate that probably 60%+ people at least males berween 5 and 30 years old had tried riding some kind of off road dirt bike at least once
Even if they didnt have one , at least tried one a freinds or cousins or kid down the street or whatever, now thats not the case at all at least not in Minnesota
I can rarely find a person to have a conversation with about
Motocross that knows who the riders are or anything about MX/SX
I work in sales and talk to the public daily.
So imo i really dont think its maxed out for males or females.

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2/18/2019 1:13 PM
Edited Date/Time: 2/18/2019 1:14 PM

I don't really mind it. It's a break from the constant Monster Cancer Drink adverts. But then its just the same old "bro girls". Yeah yeah....you wear a beanie, ride dirt bikes and snowboard, yea yeah.....just like the chick last week and all the weeks before that.

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2/18/2019 1:17 PM

Texas Built wrote:

I don't really mind it. It's a break from the constant Monster Cancer Drink adverts. But then its just the same old "bro girls". Yeah yeah....you wear a beanie, ride dirt bikes and snowboard, yea yeah.....just like the chick last week and all the weeks before that.

The Baja trail chick was kinda cool.

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2/18/2019 1:29 PM

This whole subject has been heavily debated many times on this forum. Sucks to re visit it each time. But if 10 percent of the woman who watched sx decided to go buy motorcyles form this makeup to mud segment - we'd have a MASSIVE increase in bike sales. The male involvement to riding is already maxed out.

I can tell you this is just wishful thinking of todays marketing practices. The only women watching SX are doing it because someone in their circle is a fan. The amount of women who just randomly decided to watch the SX race on their own and actually saw the makeup2mud segment and will actually do anything because of it doesnt even show up mathematically.

Any female who saw Makeup2Mud is already aware of dirt bikes because their partner or kid rides one. They have plenty of influence to ride a bike or an atv already, that segment is not going to make a difference at all. They should show Makeup2Mud during Greys Anatomy or The Bachelor if they want to attract new women tot he sport.

There is at least a dozen better things to do during that segment for helping the sport grow. I dont really mind it so much, its dead time between races so I am not missing anything, but I would want more rider segments, or Science of Supercross, maybe some history of SX. I think I would rather watch a Monster chick with a flamethrower and Axel jumping something big and stupid. My wife and daughter watched Makeup2Mud a few times, they really didnt get the urge to ride. They did say most of them looked gay and I couldnt argue that point.
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2/18/2019 2:27 PM

I've been thinking of sending my daughters info in, but all the vitards would just bag on her, and like has been said, she could probably beat half of them Photo

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2/18/2019 2:32 PM

I like the segments and find them interesting. Hat's off to all the ladies that ride. Welcome to the sport.

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2/18/2019 2:50 PM

its cool to showcase and feature the ladies who are involved in the sport and aren't the typical flat billing 951 bro hoes that are traditionally the majority of females into the sport.

It helps encourage everyones sisters, mothers, aunt's to be involved in the sport beyond being stuck in the pits or making sandwiches for the kids.

That said, there is a disparity in social media with the females in our sport. It amazes me that some of these females who just got into the sport recently can have 50-100-150k followers on IG/twitter and basically do track days and race occasionally. (sports bra's leaning over a bike staring into the sunset poses seem to be a common theme)

Then some of the guys who race 30-40-50 times a year, have been racing their entire life and their whole family is dedicated to the sport struggles to get up past 1,000 followers. Why does it matter? Sponsors look at that stuff now a lot more than people think. Unfair? sure such is life but its something that I think may turn into an issue moving forward.

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2/18/2019 2:58 PM

Please stop with the mud on the face.

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2/18/2019 3:13 PM

ktm300hater wrote:

I've been thinking of sending my daughters info in, but all the vitards would just bag on her, and like has been said, she could probably beat half of them Photo

Do it. 99% of viewers would enjoy it. It’s only a few Debbie downers here.

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2/18/2019 3:22 PM

level wrote:

I like it. I like hearing the stories.

Women that ride dirt bikes & some background on who they are and why they ride.

I love it.

This week’s segment was excellent.

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I ripped a start from Egypt and I was happy about that.

2/18/2019 3:42 PM

It doesn't matter if you like it or not, because that segment isn't for us (the core). Its marketing 101, when half the market is untouched, you try and touch it. We need new people in the sport on a grassroots level which makes it a family affair, and it seems you all are underestimating the power that the woman of the house has in regards to weekend plans. I think the segment is brilliant. In addition to the obvious "girls can ride too" message, it could convince a mom that "maybe racing isn't too dangerous for my kid after all" or something. I don't see a problem with it, moto needs any help it can get, and it's for sure a sausage fest at the moment.

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2/18/2019 4:35 PM

ktm300hater wrote:

I've been thinking of sending my daughters info in, but all the vitards would just bag on her, and like has been said, she could probably beat half of them Photo

agn5009 wrote:

Do it. 99% of viewers would enjoy it. It’s only a few Debbie downers here.

I hear that the Girls that have been chosen have gotten a lot other opportunities because of it, it opens a lot of doors for them so based on that i would definitely try to do it.

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2/18/2019 4:47 PM

Tarz483 wrote:

Very well put and i agree with all of your points except for 1
And that is that the its maxed out for males
I really dont think thats true, i think this is a wierd time for the sport of mx because i think there is a huge portion of the population that knows absolutely nothing about it, as a core fan i have a hard time even finding anyone to talk to that has ever tried riding a dirtbike, imo in the 1970's and 1980's i would estimate that probably 60%+ people at least males berween 5 and 30 years old had tried riding some kind of off road dirt bike at least once
Even if they didnt have one , at least tried one a freinds or cousins or kid down the street or whatever, now thats not the case at all at least not in Minnesota
I can rarely find a person to have a conversation with about
Motocross that knows who the riders are or anything about MX/SX
I work in sales and talk to the public daily.
So imo i really dont think its maxed out for males or females.

I agree entirely - I guess I mean of who watches SX - I think we'd be lucky to get any more male's watching to buy a bike.

We need to expand exposure to everyone - as you say. Get the world knowledgeable about our super stars and the sport in general; even if only for passing conversation like mentioning lebron.

Excellent point.

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2/18/2019 4:51 PM

2stroked wrote:

its cool to showcase and feature the ladies who are involved in the sport and aren't the typical flat billing 951 bro hoes that are traditionally the majority of females into the sport.

It helps encourage everyones sisters, mothers, aunt's to be involved in the sport beyond being stuck in the pits or making sandwiches for the kids.

That said, there is a disparity in social media with the females in our sport. It amazes me that some of these females who just got into the sport recently can have 50-100-150k followers on IG/twitter and basically do track days and race occasionally. (sports bra's leaning over a bike staring into the sunset poses seem to be a common theme)

Then some of the guys who race 30-40-50 times a year, have been racing their entire life and their whole family is dedicated to the sport struggles to get up past 1,000 followers. Why does it matter? Sponsors look at that stuff now a lot more than people think. Unfair? sure such is life but its something that I think may turn into an issue moving forward.

correct you are.

Sexism exists - often to benefit of women (blasphemy!)

But it's true of men too - there are some Instagram hero's with tons of followers who aren't special riders vs our stars or main event pros - they just possess that special social media quality or know how - which in today's age is valuable.

my GF was m2m last year - and only has like 2500 followers. She doesn't use sex to sell her account - (stupidly IMHO) and maybe got 200-300 more after the feature.

It's how you market and springboard the coverage to help improve your followership IMHO

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2/18/2019 4:54 PM

ktm300hater wrote:

I've been thinking of sending my daughters info in, but all the vitards would just bag on her, and like has been said, she could probably beat half of them Photo

Do you really care about what all the vitards would think and say? Don't be so silly! Send your daughter's info in. Stand proud!!

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