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Reading a lot of customer's real order info and Stark contacting for confirmation, only to be left hanging for X months instead of weeks and no return contact from Stark. This has me even more concerned about how Stark does business. Seems even more shady than I thought.

Preorderded mine the day they were announced. Got an email about 2 months ago asking me to confirm my spec. I confirmed spec and then was told I would be sent a payment link as soon as the bike was ready to be shipped. Still waiting on that payment link.

So they're asking for money up front before they even manufacture your bike that doesn't sound like a company that's going to be around for a long time

"Not like it's a bargain or anything." I don't know, man. Isn't an all expenses paid trip to Spain to try it out part of the deal? Seems like it is for some people.

Did he pre order it or did he just walk in a buy it?

"For a company that started out so open and in the public eye, they seem to be less open and upfront ." This is what I have saying for months now. Glad somebody else is acknowledging it.

seems kind of strange to send 14K into the unknown for something from a new start-up company on another continent. esp when they are already 2 years behind. not this boy. would be different to walk into a store as usual, pay and walk out with the product in hand.

The people who paid for a product that isn't sitting in their garage yet are the dummies. They are using your money to fund operations and kick the can down the road. Sounds pyramid'ish.

I was wondering about that too. I was thinking that it was not a good look to be trying to sell more when They still have not delivered most of the ones that were pre ordered. And somebody who puts a $100 down today will be waiting a year and a half or so for their bike. Then I started to think that maybe they were doing it to keep the people who put the $100 down still interested in buying the bike. I have a hand full of customers who have told me they have money on one. Of...

Yes, I think that is the situation. I do not think many private owner bikes have been delivered at all. Only bikes that they feel give them press. The only thing that sucks about that is most of these dealers did not sign on until late. Stark is clearly more worried about selling more bikes in the future then delivering the ones they sold already.

I actually thought about this a few days ago. I saw a video of a demo ride with a few different Stark's. Seems like they have put a huge effort into getting "press" bikes out to drum up interest while people wait for theirs they ordered a long ass time ago lmao. Seems to me the best way to drum more interest is get the actual bikes into peoples hands and out on the track. Nothing gets more interest then going to your local track and seeing the thing in the flesh out there in the hands of an actual...

I agree that they should have been aware, but were they? I certainly don’t know, but I do find it a little concerning that customers wired payments to Europe 3 months ago on the promise that their bikes were ready to ship and they haven’t shipped. The guy that I was originally replying to stated that the interest rates are not higher than normal. In the time that Stark Varg has existed as a company, interest rates in the EU are dramatically higher now than they have ever been.

You’re going back 40 years here (prior to the formation of the EU, and way before Stark Varg was even an idea). The interest rates that US businesses and consumers are complaining about now pale in comparison to what was being paid in the 80s. During the time that Stark has existed as a company, interest rates in Spain and the rest of the EU have increased significantly and have made it far more expensive for a start-up company to continue to burn cash. For this reason, I’m sure Stark Varg appreciates the interest free money being deposited in their...

While not nearly as high as the US, a simple Google search took me to this chart. I’ll just leave this here to demonstrate that you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re welcome.

Ummm....totally wrong. Here's Spain, a moment on Google will show a similar picture in Sweden and all other European countries.

Yes, and I got the brush off. Just saying there are delays of course. No other details. Just wondering if others have gone through the same issues. To be clear yes, I paid in full because they contacted me in June telling me my bike is ready and that I needed to pay to get it delivered.

You gave up your only leverage!!!

My deposit was 12/25/2021... still waiting.

Kind of a full on piss off, they have them on dealer floors now. But meanwhile, some of us put deposits down and have been waiting for like 2 years. Seems like they should fill the orders first!

Starting to understand why they named the company Stark Future.