Health Insurance?

FCTRY
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Edited Date/Time 1/25/2012 4:20pm
All the IT77 ride day stuff got me wondering, and please don't read any snark into this, but does he have health insurance? Not that if he did it wouldn't make the ride day and raising money still a good cause, just wondering why there is such an outpouring of support on this one, when there are tons of injured/hospitalized riders at any given moment. Does he need the money for medical treatment or just for the expenses of being unable to work for the foreseeable future? Granted the head injury is a big one, and everyone seems to like Ian. Do teams like Rockstar/Suzuki have insurance for their riders or at least require that their riders have their own policies? Riding dirtbikes without health insurance is like skydiving without a parachute in my opinion, and I have a couple friends whose bills agree with me. As expensive as it can get, it's still the deal of the century for a moto rider, Ive given my insurance company a few grand over the last few years and cost them well over 100k.
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Insurance should be mandatory for any rider competing in the AMA Supercross or Motocross series.
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FCTRY wrote:
All the IT77 ride day stuff got me wondering, and please don't read any snark into this, but does he have health insurance? Not that if...
All the IT77 ride day stuff got me wondering, and please don't read any snark into this, but does he have health insurance? Not that if he did it wouldn't make the ride day and raising money still a good cause, just wondering why there is such an outpouring of support on this one, when there are tons of injured/hospitalized riders at any given moment. Does he need the money for medical treatment or just for the expenses of being unable to work for the foreseeable future? Granted the head injury is a big one, and everyone seems to like Ian. Do teams like Rockstar/Suzuki have insurance for their riders or at least require that their riders have their own policies? Riding dirtbikes without health insurance is like skydiving without a parachute in my opinion, and I have a couple friends whose bills agree with me. As expensive as it can get, it's still the deal of the century for a moto rider, Ive given my insurance company a few grand over the last few years and cost them well over 100k.
I would hope/imagine he has insurance, but maybe it's 20/80 and if you have to come up with 20% of a $100,000.00 that's a big chunk of change !
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4/26/2011 10:15am Edited Date/Time 4/26/2011 10:16am
HatersSuck wrote:
Insurance should be mandatory for any rider competing in the AMA Supercross or Motocross series.
Insurance should be provided by the government...

why is it the greatest country on earth (that's what they say anyway), is the only industrialized national who doesn't provide health insurance for its citizens? Other countries do it quite successfully even in democracy form of governments!

I know of some professionals in other action sports who can't even get covered for insurance due to their occupation. There was a fundraiser for one a few years ago who sustained a severe injury. The system is *$$*ed up!
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4/26/2011 10:17am
Get the insurance premium deducted from your paycheck , simple!

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4/26/2011 10:17am Edited Date/Time 4/26/2011 10:18am
HatersSuck wrote:
Insurance should be mandatory for any rider competing in the AMA Supercross or Motocross series.
Insurance should be provided by the government... why is it the greatest country on earth (that's what they say anyway), is the only industrialized national who...
Insurance should be provided by the government...

why is it the greatest country on earth (that's what they say anyway), is the only industrialized national who doesn't provide health insurance for its citizens? Other countries do it quite successfully even in democracy form of governments!

I know of some professionals in other action sports who can't even get covered for insurance due to their occupation. There was a fundraiser for one a few years ago who sustained a severe injury. The system is *$$*ed up!
Whole different argument, lots of that in non moto.
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4/26/2011 10:21am
The percentage share policies are not the best deal for someone at high risk of serious trauma. I had a hospital stay that didn't even include any surgeries during the stay and that was 130,000. Basically it was 15g a day just to get lots of drugs and x rays, lay there and recover. Two surgeries came later making that one incident total something like 150. I have a high deductible at 2,500, but once it's paid I am done. They'll tempt you with cheap premiums and deductibles on those 80/20 plans, but with the price of trauma care 20 percent is still an assload.
4/26/2011 10:22am
HatersSuck wrote:
Insurance should be mandatory for any rider competing in the AMA Supercross or Motocross series.
Insurance should be provided by the government... why is it the greatest country on earth (that's what they say anyway), is the only industrialized national who...
Insurance should be provided by the government...

why is it the greatest country on earth (that's what they say anyway), is the only industrialized national who doesn't provide health insurance for its citizens? Other countries do it quite successfully even in democracy form of governments!

I know of some professionals in other action sports who can't even get covered for insurance due to their occupation. There was a fundraiser for one a few years ago who sustained a severe injury. The system is *$$*ed up!
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People are cheap, they do not want to get insurance, then when something happens, they wish they had it! My buddy refused to get health and mx bike insurance and did nt want to spend money on the policy, later on he got hurt and his bike was stolen! Now he s in the hole about 100g s.
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4/26/2011 10:33am
Insurance should be provided by the government... why is it the greatest country on earth (that's what they say anyway), is the only industrialized national who...
Insurance should be provided by the government...

why is it the greatest country on earth (that's what they say anyway), is the only industrialized national who doesn't provide health insurance for its citizens? Other countries do it quite successfully even in democracy form of governments!

I know of some professionals in other action sports who can't even get covered for insurance due to their occupation. There was a fundraiser for one a few years ago who sustained a severe injury. The system is *$$*ed up!
A different can of worms indeed... Personally I hate the idea of insurance, the whole industry is based on people's fears and their profits are contingent upon providing a service that is worth less than it costs. However, for people like us it is an utter necessity., and frankly we are some of the few people who can come out on top in the system. Ironically, the insurance that doctors and hospitals need to protect themselves from litigious, money grubbing bottom feeders is the number one reason that healthcare is so expensive in the first place. You have to have insurance to pay the doctors for their insurance, and the track has to have insurance in case your insurance decides they dont feel like paying for it when you break yourself off. I think I may be in the wrong line of work...

I don't think the government paying for insurance makes sense, you might as well just cut out the middle man and have health care rolled into taxes, at least that way you don't have the insurance middle man making off with everyone's money. That being said, when I get hurt I I want the best possible medical attention, something a national healthcare system has a harder time offering.
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4/26/2011 10:35am
Does the AMA have any kind of coverage at all? If not, whats the reason for entry fees and membership? I get the reason behind the ride day, people just want to show support and there are lots of things insurance doesn't cover that cash from something like this will help. Best to IT77
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4/26/2011 11:39am
If your looking for a good insurance program, check out XSI. I wish I knew about these guys BEFORE I broke my femur. Heres the link http://blog.xsi-now.com/
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4/26/2011 11:53am
Years ago there was blanket coverage included from the AMA for every rider in Pro MX/SX. I wonder when this stopped?
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4/26/2011 12:15pm Edited Date/Time 4/26/2011 12:15pm
I assumed it was a percentage, I am 85/15 so when I had surgery to repair my collarbone I out of pocketed 500 for my deductible and then 15% of everything else which ended up costing around 1500 total.

So it's easy to assume even with good medical coverage his out of pocket bills could be very high.
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4/26/2011 12:26pm
How ironic that there was a health insurance advertisement to the right of this thread! Now it's a Leatt ad. Hmmmm...

The US already has the world's largest government-provided healthcare program: Medicare. Something along the lines of $400B annually, and steadily outpacing GDP. It's a systemic problem that requires radical changes to remain solvent.

As for riders & racers: don't click the bike into gear without coverage. While the available plans may cause some frustration, you would happily pay 3X the premium if you find yourself needing quality care. My profile pic says it all: $49K in hospital fees, $200 out of pocket.
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4/26/2011 12:46pm
LoudLove wrote:
How ironic that there was a health insurance advertisement to the right of this thread! Now it's a Leatt ad. Hmmmm... The US already has the...
How ironic that there was a health insurance advertisement to the right of this thread! Now it's a Leatt ad. Hmmmm...

The US already has the world's largest government-provided healthcare program: Medicare. Something along the lines of $400B annually, and steadily outpacing GDP. It's a systemic problem that requires radical changes to remain solvent.

As for riders & racers: don't click the bike into gear without coverage. While the available plans may cause some frustration, you would happily pay 3X the premium if you find yourself needing quality care. My profile pic says it all: $49K in hospital fees, $200 out of pocket.
Dude, your avatar is a real drag to look at. What's the point of showing a nasty surgical scar? We all have at least one, we know it hurts.
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4/26/2011 3:14pm Edited Date/Time 4/26/2011 3:19pm
lumpy790 wrote:
Years ago there was blanket coverage included from the AMA for every rider in Pro MX/SX. I wonder when this stopped?
...and it was shit.
it took MONTHS of battling for them to pay less than half of what they should have when i got hurt at Red Bud in '98.

*edit
I checked my records and they did indeed pay all what the policy said they would, i do remember it was a bit of a fight though...
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mxb2 wrote:
People are cheap, they do not want to get insurance, then when something happens, they wish they had it! My buddy refused to get health and...
People are cheap, they do not want to get insurance, then when something happens, they wish they had it! My buddy refused to get health and mx bike insurance and did nt want to spend money on the policy, later on he got hurt and his bike was stolen! Now he s in the hole about 100g s.
alot of us are not cheap. we just cant afford it. its one of the reasons i dont ride anymore,and i cant afford another bike at this time.i dont make a ton of money for a living.. and i think youll see alot more people quit riding because of it...but,if your riding,i agree that you should have some type of coverage on yourself and on your scooter..
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4/26/2011 4:05pm
LoudLove wrote:
How ironic that there was a health insurance advertisement to the right of this thread! Now it's a Leatt ad. Hmmmm... The US already has the...
How ironic that there was a health insurance advertisement to the right of this thread! Now it's a Leatt ad. Hmmmm...

The US already has the world's largest government-provided healthcare program: Medicare. Something along the lines of $400B annually, and steadily outpacing GDP. It's a systemic problem that requires radical changes to remain solvent.

As for riders & racers: don't click the bike into gear without coverage. While the available plans may cause some frustration, you would happily pay 3X the premium if you find yourself needing quality care. My profile pic says it all: $49K in hospital fees, $200 out of pocket.
Not ironic, just keyword advertising.
4/26/2011 5:23pm
HatersSuck wrote:
Insurance should be mandatory for any rider competing in the AMA Supercross or Motocross series.
Insurance should be provided by the government... why is it the greatest country on earth (that's what they say anyway), is the only industrialized national who...
Insurance should be provided by the government...

why is it the greatest country on earth (that's what they say anyway), is the only industrialized national who doesn't provide health insurance for its citizens? Other countries do it quite successfully even in democracy form of governments!

I know of some professionals in other action sports who can't even get covered for insurance due to their occupation. There was a fundraiser for one a few years ago who sustained a severe injury. The system is *$$*ed up!
Totally agree
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4/27/2011 1:25pm
plan and simple, everyone needs health insurance.
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4/27/2011 2:06pm
If I am not mistaken, all pre-existing issues are now covered at the swipe of the pen of the health care plan, so.......I will buy Health Insurance when I need it. I understand that - that is one of the immediate laws that went into effect.

Talked to my 65 year old doctor today for a little while about this at the office. He is closing his office soon. He also stated that he has 4 friends that are older (but still practicing) are doing the same. He says he won't play.
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4/27/2011 2:09pm Edited Date/Time 4/27/2011 2:09pm
teggers wrote:
If I am not mistaken, all pre-existing issues are now covered at the swipe of the pen of the health care plan, so.......I will buy Health...
If I am not mistaken, all pre-existing issues are now covered at the swipe of the pen of the health care plan, so.......I will buy Health Insurance when I need it. I understand that - that is one of the immediate laws that went into effect.

Talked to my 65 year old doctor today for a little while about this at the office. He is closing his office soon. He also stated that he has 4 friends that are older (but still practicing) are doing the same. He says he won't play.
Sooner or later you will need it , the old saying goes pay me now or pay me later! You can t just get it as soon as you need it. Most companies you have to be in the system for it to be useful! My budy tried that , did not have insurance and as soon as he got hurt he tried to get insurance LOL!
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lumpy790 wrote:
Years ago there was blanket coverage included from the AMA for every rider in Pro MX/SX. I wonder when this stopped?
...and it was shit. it took MONTHS of battling for them to pay less than half of what they should have when i got hurt at...
...and it was shit.
it took MONTHS of battling for them to pay less than half of what they should have when i got hurt at Red Bud in '98.

*edit
I checked my records and they did indeed pay all what the policy said they would, i do remember it was a bit of a fight though...
Better than what the Pro riders are getting now.........At least it was something!
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4/27/2011 9:16pm
lumpy790 wrote:
Years ago there was blanket coverage included from the AMA for every rider in Pro MX/SX. I wonder when this stopped?
...and it was shit. it took MONTHS of battling for them to pay less than half of what they should have when i got hurt at...
...and it was shit.
it took MONTHS of battling for them to pay less than half of what they should have when i got hurt at Red Bud in '98.

*edit
I checked my records and they did indeed pay all what the policy said they would, i do remember it was a bit of a fight though...
lumpy790 wrote:
Better than what the Pro riders are getting now.........At least it was something!
Your right... i didn't know they no longer have it, thats too bad...

looking back, the "fight" to get the money wasn't terrible, just at 20 y.o. it was more than what i was used to and bummed me out on how the world works.... LOL i guess you could say it was one of my first eye openers...
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4/27/2011 10:32pm
I'm curious, does anyone have the answers to any of the questions in the original post. Do the teams insure their riders under contract or are the riders responsible for their own coverage?
4/27/2011 11:58pm
I don't think that teams insure their riders. I'm guessing Ian and his family are covered under a group policy from his dad's company.

I am an insurance broker in North Carolina and few things about the policies that are for sale here.

1. I have not seen one without a stop loss provision. Say you have an 80/20. You pay your deductible , then 20% only to a predetermined ampount. You don't pay the 20% till the bills stop coming.

2. The kind of intense and lengthy rehab head injury victims go through, especially at the Shepard Center are not always covered forever. Those bills can add up in a hurry.

3. Teggers, the pre existing condition provision doesn't come into play till 2014.

4. Nearly all individual health policies have an exclusion for "organized contests of speed for money".
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4th visit to the ER in under 2 years 4 broken arms, 3 from riding 1 from middle school football.

Any parent who has a child under their roof is an idiot if they don't have health coverage on their kid. Whether it be from outdoor sports activities like mine or other health related issues from sitting on the couch playing xbox day and night.

It's depressing for sure but having to worry about phone calls and debt collectors because I was a dumbass and didn't have my kid covered would be far worse than depressing.
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teggers wrote:
If I am not mistaken, all pre-existing issues are now covered at the swipe of the pen of the health care plan, so.......I will buy Health...
If I am not mistaken, all pre-existing issues are now covered at the swipe of the pen of the health care plan, so.......I will buy Health Insurance when I need it. I understand that - that is one of the immediate laws that went into effect.

Talked to my 65 year old doctor today for a little while about this at the office. He is closing his office soon. He also stated that he has 4 friends that are older (but still practicing) are doing the same. He says he won't play.
Unfortunately you are mistaken. The only people who are covered automatically regardless of pre-existing conditions are dependents of the policy holder...ie your kids...

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