Now 2 chinese bikes coming to mxgp

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Timo wrote:

Maybe they're competitive and like racing? It's the only reason that other manufacturers do it...

mxaniac wrote:
The other brands got in to racing because the founder had a passion for it, and they typically don't want to exit it now. Not sure...

The other brands got in to racing because the founder had a passion for it, and they typically don't want to exit it now. Not sure how these Chinese companies are structured. I do know they're targeted industries that get subsidies.

Beagle wrote:
ZX founder and CEO is mad about racing (how many CEO sleep under a tent in Dakar?). Racing improves the breed and proves the level of...

ZX founder and CEO is mad about racing (how many CEO sleep under a tent in Dakar?). Racing improves the breed and proves the level of the bike and reliability much more than any YouTube vids will ever do. Once you see it racing MXGP you stop questionig if it can clear this or that double. And of course marketing.

ZXmoto just started selling road bikes on the European market, road homologation is not an issue, same for Kove, CFMoto and so on.

The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big four had some real turds for production machines, while their works bikes were stellar.

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mxaniac wrote:
The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big...

The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big four had some real turds for production machines, while their works bikes were stellar.

Sure but if they compete for top 10 with the factory bike you might not think that much about what power the production bike makes, at that proves they know how to make competitive engines. When they race the Dakar (in the RallyGP prototype category and especially in the Rally2 production -based category), if the bikes last this would show they know a thing or two about reliability.

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mxaniac wrote:
The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big...

The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big four had some real turds for production machines, while their works bikes were stellar.

Beagle wrote:
Sure but if they compete for top 10 with the factory bike you might not think that much about what power the production bike makes, at...

Sure but if they compete for top 10 with the factory bike you might not think that much about what power the production bike makes, at that proves they know how to make competitive engines. When they race the Dakar (in the RallyGP prototype category and especially in the Rally2 production -based category), if the bikes last this would show they know a thing or two about reliability.

And that is a big challenge to overcome, but that's not "the" challenge. Building something that is cost effective, performs well, is easy to assemble and service, reliable, and is something the market wants is the challenge. Racing only proves reliability and performance. Which corners do they cut to get to market?

11/1/2026 2:42pm
mxaniac wrote:
The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big...

The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big four had some real turds for production machines, while their works bikes were stellar.

Beagle wrote:
Sure but if they compete for top 10 with the factory bike you might not think that much about what power the production bike makes, at...

Sure but if they compete for top 10 with the factory bike you might not think that much about what power the production bike makes, at that proves they know how to make competitive engines. When they race the Dakar (in the RallyGP prototype category and especially in the Rally2 production -based category), if the bikes last this would show they know a thing or two about reliability.

mxaniac wrote:
And that is a big challenge to overcome, but that's not "the" challenge. Building something that is cost effective, performs well, is easy to assemble and...

And that is a big challenge to overcome, but that's not "the" challenge. Building something that is cost effective, performs well, is easy to assemble and service, reliable, and is something the market wants is the challenge. Racing only proves reliability and performance. Which corners do they cut to get to market?

The labor cost is less to begin with so everything being equal they are ahead. And could sell cheaper right there.   Most of the cost in a bike is not material cost. Tooling, R&D, engineering, so much is labor.  I'm not sure how accurate it is, but according to google the average salary for an engineer designing engines in China is roughly half what it is in Japan. Similar for motorcycle factory workers.   

 

I see the racing as a help in marketing, maybe not with everybody, but likely w they see it as helping with their target audience.  . It shows that they can make a racebike and that will help make it a bike that people are more open to buying. And that's a start to making somebody want one. Lets say you have a choice between the ZX and a Kove, which one are you taking and why? And if your not taking either, its clear you are not who they are targeting with their marketing.    

 

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11/1/2026 3:53pm
mxaniac wrote:
The other brands got in to racing because the founder had a passion for it, and they typically don't want to exit it now. Not sure...

The other brands got in to racing because the founder had a passion for it, and they typically don't want to exit it now. Not sure how these Chinese companies are structured. I do know they're targeted industries that get subsidies.

Beagle wrote:
ZX founder and CEO is mad about racing (how many CEO sleep under a tent in Dakar?). Racing improves the breed and proves the level of...

ZX founder and CEO is mad about racing (how many CEO sleep under a tent in Dakar?). Racing improves the breed and proves the level of the bike and reliability much more than any YouTube vids will ever do. Once you see it racing MXGP you stop questionig if it can clear this or that double. And of course marketing.

ZXmoto just started selling road bikes on the European market, road homologation is not an issue, same for Kove, CFMoto and so on.

mxaniac wrote:
The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big...

The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big four had some real turds for production machines, while their works bikes were stellar.

Not all works bikes were stellar...

YAM YZM500 shreds sand en route to 1st moto MXGP win RAW - YouTube

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Beagle wrote:
ZX founder and CEO is mad about racing (how many CEO sleep under a tent in Dakar?). Racing improves the breed and proves the level of...

ZX founder and CEO is mad about racing (how many CEO sleep under a tent in Dakar?). Racing improves the breed and proves the level of the bike and reliability much more than any YouTube vids will ever do. Once you see it racing MXGP you stop questionig if it can clear this or that double. And of course marketing.

ZXmoto just started selling road bikes on the European market, road homologation is not an issue, same for Kove, CFMoto and so on.

mxaniac wrote:
The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big...

The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big four had some real turds for production machines, while their works bikes were stellar.

Not all works bikes were stellar...

Not all works bikes were stellar...

YAM YZM500 shreds sand en route to 1st moto MXGP win RAW - YouTube

I always thought those YZM watercoolers were awesome, were they not?

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mxaniac wrote:
The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big...

The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big four had some real turds for production machines, while their works bikes were stellar.

Not all works bikes were stellar...

Not all works bikes were stellar...

YAM YZM500 shreds sand en route to 1st moto MXGP win RAW - YouTube

I always thought those YZM watercoolers were awesome, were they not?

Good, but not HRC good. 

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Beta480RX wrote:
With multiple Chinese bikes in the series, pride is going to push them to develop even faster so they can best each other.Where ZX Moto, Kove...

With multiple Chinese bikes in the series, pride is going to push them to develop even faster so they can best each other.

Where ZX Moto, Kove, and JHL will be in 5 years time is going to shock some people.

How long did it take for KTM to go from being "the odd man out" to "dominating" all the local tracks? They got the right people, and made the changes required while everyone else was just doing "BNG". 5-10 years goes by very fast people.

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mxaniac wrote:
The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big...

The founder being passionate explains it then. I don't really draw much inference from racing on the production bikes with no production rule though. The big four had some real turds for production machines, while their works bikes were stellar.

Not all works bikes were stellar...

Not all works bikes were stellar...

YAM YZM500 shreds sand en route to 1st moto MXGP win RAW - YouTube

I always thought those YZM watercoolers were awesome, were they not?

Awesome tech, but it needed more development to compete with Honda and Kawasaki.

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11/6/2026 1:47am
Not all works bikes were stellar...

Not all works bikes were stellar...

YAM YZM500 shreds sand en route to 1st moto MXGP win RAW - YouTube

I always thought those YZM watercoolers were awesome, were they not?

Awesome tech, but it needed more development to compete with Honda and Kawasaki.

I raced the Farleigh Castle VMXDN a few years back and Neil Hudson (1981 250 world champ) was in my race riding a YZM500 loaned to him by a collector. It sounded sooo good. I made sure I parked next to him in the holding box like a fanboy just so I could check out the bike 😄

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Not all works bikes were stellar...

Not all works bikes were stellar...

YAM YZM500 shreds sand en route to 1st moto MXGP win RAW - YouTube

I always thought those YZM watercoolers were awesome, were they not?

Robgvx wrote:

Good, but not HRC good. 

They should have kept Carlqvist . 

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Back on subject, I viewed all 3 bikes at EICMA today and - based purely on the bikes shown on their stand - I'd say ZX moto and Kove are in the quality and capability ballpark. JHL not quite, yet, but I'd bet on them getting there soon in terms of performance and durability.

Obviously, I havent ridden them, but all 3 look clubman worthy. 

Only ZX have a proper GP set up currently in place. If they listen and learn they will make fast progress. Podiums in 2027? No. Be realistic - look how hard that has been for Ducati and Beta and (450)Triumph.

An interesting sub plot nevertheless.

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Kove's project might be dead in the water for now, but I just read there's another Chinese manufacturer that is looking like they might join MXGP as soon as next year. 

HOTO. They have MX prototypes in the works. They raced Dakar the last two years. 

Tom Steensels is involved. Brent Van Doninck and Jens Walvoort were set to join Kove, but now look to be joining HOTO Factory Racing.

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Press516 wrote:
This is interesting too...  I'm usually ok with the boutique brands and their specialty bikes.  My next buy will probably be a Beta XTrainer for example.But...

This is interesting too...  I'm usually ok with the boutique brands and their specialty bikes.  My next buy will probably be a Beta XTrainer for example.

But all of these models are more focused on the mainstream MX market, from Kove, ZXmoto, JHL, REX, etc.  I like that it seems this one might have a motor with a different design than all the others that seem to be coming from the same plant.  If it's truly a Vertimati design, it might be the exception to the thought that they are all coming out of the same plant.

ksithumper wrote:
The motor is presumably Vertemati's design handiwork; if so, that differentiates it -  potentially. However it appears to be a conventional twin cam design, nothing special. The...

The motor is presumably Vertemati's design handiwork; if so, that differentiates it -  potentially. However it appears to be a conventional twin cam design, nothing special. 

The 450 motor they developed for Nicot last year was far more innovative, but all seems quiet on that front sadly.

philG wrote:
The supermoto version of that Nicot bike looked really nice last year , i didnt get to see what they were running this year at Mettet...

The supermoto version of that Nicot bike looked really nice last year , i didnt get to see what they were running this year at Mettet, but it was branded Jitsu of something similar . 

The original bikes were rapid, i still have the first MX one sold in the UK in 1998, and one of the silver ones behind my TV. 

I wont be buying one over a Ducati or Triumph.  

If i was in the market, i would buy anything over a Triumph. Bad news travels fast.

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Not all works bikes were stellar...

Not all works bikes were stellar...

YAM YZM500 shreds sand en route to 1st moto MXGP win RAW - YouTube

I always thought those YZM watercoolers were awesome, were they not?

Robgvx wrote:

Good, but not HRC good. 

Yes, that Radson Everts 500 was a real .... or should i say a turd (reportedly).

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