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It is only a very small amount of inertia, but these are also pros that notice every little thing.
Some teams have gone as far as total loss electrical systems (no stator under the flywheel) to get the inertia feel where a rider wants it.
Not that I meant to, but I found out I could make it about 50min of riding on my Husky 450FC without the stator functioning at all. And this was with a battery that isn't as good as some of them out there now!
The kick start lever should wind up a spring that disengages at a certain tension and spins the motor. Easy to kick, spins at the correct speed like an e-start, but no battery and no starter.
It would go in the air box most likely.
It should also have a comically loud spring noise when it fires, followed by a fart noise when the bike starts.
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As I said, lighten the flywheel. There is zero need to add inertia.
Correct, your ignition will run for a long time off a small battery. A starter motor won't though! Ditto EFI fuel pumps.
Rocon had that starting stuff figured out. And it probably saves weight over a kickstarter.
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Wonder if the AMA will be cool if Ken and Ando pack a couple of rounds for the A1 main?
"Other teams don't set the bike up to rider demands?"
Um... Kawasaki.
Lets not pretend that Suzuki was developing the bike at the same rate as other manufacturers, and only paused in the last few years.
I mean pretty hard I'm guessing, Roczen ditched the e-start in 2018 on the Honda because of how it affected handling. And that was made with the help of Honda Japan and full factory budget.
I am no engineer but wonder if you could do what ski doo does with the shot start? Kick it over obviously instead of the pull rope.
https://ski-doo.brp.com/us/en/discover/technologies/vehicle-technologie…
The weirdest part of this, to me, had always been the short-lived Suzuki RMX450Z that came equipped with electric start and kick start. Presumably, the engine cases would have been similar enough to adapt it to the RM-Z.
I'm just surprised there are no spy pics yet. I know he testing it for the past couple weeks.
Shockingly, no.
The RMX cases were not only different, but so was the cylinder (cam chain tensioner had to be moved to accommodate the starter location) and thus the head was different.
To use the RMX cases required the cylinder and thus head, which did NOT have the same port/valve setup as the RMZ and supposedly would hinder performance.
And really, even with e-start who was going to want to race a 250lb without fuel RMZ?
Remember when we didn't need a battery and starter motor on motocross bikes?
I’m hearing pull start for ‘28. Wind-up mechanism in ‘29 and, a revolutionary bump-start for ‘30. *According to sauces familiar with Suzuki’s HQ in Costa Rica.
The memory fades gently into twilight, but I even faintly recall a day long of yore when a kickstart bike was the reigning SX champ.
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It doesnt weight 250 dry.
I don't understand why people just make up facts about the suzuki bro literally use google
I have wondered this too
Wow, that bike looks so much better than the current one. Of course it probably pushing 275lbs too, lol.
I recall, Jamie at Twisted commented that the older X cases didn’t permit the use of newer/better engine components…in other words: they’re not compatible.
Even better, remember when most users on this board made fun of KTM for adding e-start and complained about how dumb and pointless it was? There was a lot of "If you can't kickstart your own bike, you shouldn't be riding." LOL
Referring to an RMX with all the lights stripped, which is what an RMZ with the RMX cases and estart would have weighed you moran.
my b. I understand what you mean now. Yeah it's even more than 250 in that case.
Estart is a definite advantage when a rider drops a bike and has to restart to get going again.
Using a kicker can completely smoke a rider if the bike doesn't fire right away, their heart rate is already high and repetitive kicking as I said can smoke a rider.
Estart adds roughly 10 lbs, the zuk is already heavy, I'm sure that can be shaved down a pound or two but even at 8 lbs that's a loss of bout 1 hp
What's really interesting is in comparison to the new Honda that had 9 lbs shaved off in just one model year.
Zuk is a bit behind in technology.
8-10lb heavier bike is a "definite advantage" now?
Kick starting a bike is physically exhausting?
Next thing you'll tell me is how the govt leak-proof gas cans improved the experience.
E-start is 5 lbs in a very standard Japanese implementation.
We know this because the 2017 and 2018 CRF450 are the same bike except that the optional electric start kit became standard in 2018. No other major component changes. The bike gained just under 5 lbs.
Heck, I can remember when your avatar was the current issue...
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