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When you say "affects pricing", are you talking about stock/futures related pricing? I'm talking about record profits, as in margins. Markets are mostly emotional these days...

When you say "affects pricing", are you talking about stock/futures related pricing? I'm talking about record profits, as in margins. Markets are mostly emotional these days. There is no predictable 1:1 connection between margins and market pricing. Tesla stock would never be worth as much as it is if stock pricing were anywhere near related to the position of the company relative to the other leaders. Their stock is 80% emotional, 20% merit. The market doesn't set the price in any sort of pure sense like you're suggesting because, while they may not have direct throttling control of pricing, they have direct throttling control of pricing through volume and lobbying (special military operations).

What you don't seem to grasp is that the market trades in oil futures set the pricing for a barrel of oil. The costs to produce...

What you don't seem to grasp is that the market trades in oil futures set the pricing for a barrel of oil. The costs to produce it are relatively inelastic. Given that the cost to produce is relatively stable, when oil contracts are bid up, the margins increase. By the same token, when the contracts are down, producer margins shrink. 

A share of stock in a company represents an ownership stake. It exists as long as the company does. A commodity futures contract is a contract to buy or sell that commodity. At the maturity date of a futures contract, you either take physical delivery of the commodity, or you're obligated to deliver that commodity. You're comparing apples to cornflakes.

Over the last 24 months, the price of oil/barrel has gone up 28%. The price of gasoline has gone up 50%. Speculators only affect the price of oil.

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10/1/2026 9:42am
Been going to Curacao since 2012 and they have 20 turbines for some power .each year I also have been atv tours and SxS tours around...

Been going to Curacao since 2012 and they have 20 turbines for some power .each year I also have been atv tours and SxS tours around every one of them and have yet to see skeletal remains of birds. Give birds more credit than they are just dumb and won’t relearn a flight path. Why is trump wanting to  build a wind farm just off of New York?

Seems that Ontario is selling electricity to the eastern side of America 

Don think that cutting down hectares of perfectly good forest to build wind farms or solar stands is a good idea.

There is a trend that old decommissioned oil platforms are being considered a good use to instal a wind turbine 

Seems the shallow un navigable water anywhere is good for wind farms

Solar/wind technology is improving yearly. The problem is any agency that provides petroleum based fuel to Jo blo public for an expensive production cost can’t recover their costs if no one buys it. That’s the reason wind/solar is being rejected.

Having a narrow mind towards improvements is pathetic.

Just imagine if the auto industry stayed with the 1950 era of cars. Never made improvements with a growing/changing world around them.

"Give birds more credit than they are just dumb and won’t relearn a flight path"

I guess it would depend on the type of bird. Crows that network pass on the information as they are part of a community, eagles which tend to be more individual, who are they seeing flame out and passing on the info to? It would take generations. And since their territory is so many miles, it's likely the next eagle (sans mate) is probably 20-50 miles away and would not see the flame out. I'd have to read up on that, but that's my first thought.

TM

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10/1/2026 9:51am
Been going to Curacao since 2012 and they have 20 turbines for some power .each year I also have been atv tours and SxS tours around...

Been going to Curacao since 2012 and they have 20 turbines for some power .each year I also have been atv tours and SxS tours around every one of them and have yet to see skeletal remains of birds. Give birds more credit than they are just dumb and won’t relearn a flight path. Why is trump wanting to  build a wind farm just off of New York?

Seems that Ontario is selling electricity to the eastern side of America 

Don think that cutting down hectares of perfectly good forest to build wind farms or solar stands is a good idea.

There is a trend that old decommissioned oil platforms are being considered a good use to instal a wind turbine 

Seems the shallow un navigable water anywhere is good for wind farms

Solar/wind technology is improving yearly. The problem is any agency that provides petroleum based fuel to Jo blo public for an expensive production cost can’t recover their costs if no one buys it. That’s the reason wind/solar is being rejected.

Having a narrow mind towards improvements is pathetic.

Just imagine if the auto industry stayed with the 1950 era of cars. Never made improvements with a growing/changing world around them.

ToolMaker wrote:
"Give birds more credit than they are just dumb and won’t relearn a flight path"I guess it would depend on the type of bird. Crows that...

"Give birds more credit than they are just dumb and won’t relearn a flight path"

I guess it would depend on the type of bird. Crows that network pass on the information as they are part of a community, eagles which tend to be more individual, who are they seeing flame out and passing on the info to? It would take generations. And since their territory is so many miles, it's likely the next eagle (sans mate) is probably 20-50 miles away and would not see the flame out. I'd have to read up on that, but that's my first thought.

TM

Well that is clearly a misspelled statement on my part……it should say

It’s not like birds are dumb and can’t relearn a flight path.

 

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Well that is clearly a misspelled statement on my part……it should say

It’s not like birds are dumb and can’t relearn a flight path.

 

Doesn't matter, it's a known problem.

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Been going to Curacao since 2012 and they have 20 turbines for some power .each year I also have been atv tours and SxS tours around...

Been going to Curacao since 2012 and they have 20 turbines for some power .each year I also have been atv tours and SxS tours around every one of them and have yet to see skeletal remains of birds. Give birds more credit than they are just dumb and won’t relearn a flight path. Why is trump wanting to  build a wind farm just off of New York?

Seems that Ontario is selling electricity to the eastern side of America 

Don think that cutting down hectares of perfectly good forest to build wind farms or solar stands is a good idea.

There is a trend that old decommissioned oil platforms are being considered a good use to instal a wind turbine 

Seems the shallow un navigable water anywhere is good for wind farms

Solar/wind technology is improving yearly. The problem is any agency that provides petroleum based fuel to Jo blo public for an expensive production cost can’t recover their costs if no one buys it. That’s the reason wind/solar is being rejected.

Having a narrow mind towards improvements is pathetic.

Just imagine if the auto industry stayed with the 1950 era of cars. Never made improvements with a growing/changing world around them.

ToolMaker wrote:
"Give birds more credit than they are just dumb and won’t relearn a flight path"I guess it would depend on the type of bird. Crows that...

"Give birds more credit than they are just dumb and won’t relearn a flight path"

I guess it would depend on the type of bird. Crows that network pass on the information as they are part of a community, eagles which tend to be more individual, who are they seeing flame out and passing on the info to? It would take generations. And since their territory is so many miles, it's likely the next eagle (sans mate) is probably 20-50 miles away and would not see the flame out. I'd have to read up on that, but that's my first thought.

TM

Well that is clearly a misspelled statement on my part……it should say

It’s not like birds are dumb and can’t relearn a flight path.

 

A friend of mine helped on a study at The University of North Texas looking at the effects of windmills on bats.

They'd go look under mills at night and find many dead bats, and tried to find out why.

They acquired an old used portion of a blade, mounted in a large room, put some bats in, and rolled cameras.

Apparently the smooth surface makes them think it's a calm body of water, and repeatedly flew to them licking the blade much like they do on a swimming pool at night.

They tried getting manufacturers to add texture to break up the smooth surface, but got nowhere. 

So, there's that.

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Solar is really the only renewable source that's worth deploying at scale. The cost of installation and maintenance for wind is just too much in most cases. 

Solar needs to rebrand as subscription-free energy. Fossil fuels are just like everything else nowadays, cheaper to get into but you have to buy into a subscription service to keep it going. 

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10/1/2026 11:44am
ToolMaker wrote:
"Give birds more credit than they are just dumb and won’t relearn a flight path"I guess it would depend on the type of bird. Crows that...

"Give birds more credit than they are just dumb and won’t relearn a flight path"

I guess it would depend on the type of bird. Crows that network pass on the information as they are part of a community, eagles which tend to be more individual, who are they seeing flame out and passing on the info to? It would take generations. And since their territory is so many miles, it's likely the next eagle (sans mate) is probably 20-50 miles away and would not see the flame out. I'd have to read up on that, but that's my first thought.

TM

Well that is clearly a misspelled statement on my part……it should say

It’s not like birds are dumb and can’t relearn a flight path.

 

SEEMEFIRST wrote:
A friend of mine helped on a study at The University of North Texas looking at the effects of windmills on bats.They'd go look under mills...

A friend of mine helped on a study at The University of North Texas looking at the effects of windmills on bats.

They'd go look under mills at night and find many dead bats, and tried to find out why.

They acquired an old used portion of a blade, mounted in a large room, put some bats in, and rolled cameras.

Apparently the smooth surface makes them think it's a calm body of water, and repeatedly flew to them licking the blade much like they do on a swimming pool at night.

They tried getting manufacturers to add texture to break up the smooth surface, but got nowhere. 

So, there's that.

Oddly enough on sail boats you need a slight texture on the hull to get a laminar(?) flow to go faster. If it's too smooth you get a lot of bubbles that travel along the hull disrupting the flow. I imagine once you've made the mold, you've easily spent hundreds of thousands of $$s. I can see them not wanting to do it over it they aren't "told" to vs asked to.

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early wrote:
Solar is really the only renewable source that's worth deploying at scale. The cost of installation and maintenance for wind is just too much in most...

Solar is really the only renewable source that's worth deploying at scale. The cost of installation and maintenance for wind is just too much in most cases. 

Solar needs to rebrand as subscription-free energy. Fossil fuels are just like everything else nowadays, cheaper to get into but you have to buy into a subscription service to keep it going. 

I kinda get what for saying; but, your use of subscription(s) needs defining for us to fully get what you’re saying. 

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early wrote:
Solar is really the only renewable source that's worth deploying at scale. The cost of installation and maintenance for wind is just too much in most...

Solar is really the only renewable source that's worth deploying at scale. The cost of installation and maintenance for wind is just too much in most cases. 

Solar needs to rebrand as subscription-free energy. Fossil fuels are just like everything else nowadays, cheaper to get into but you have to buy into a subscription service to keep it going. 

Solar can't be a primary source because it shuts down when the sun goes down. That's when steady baseload power needs to take over. New generation safer Nuclear is likely the most cost effective and efficient answer.

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Anybody else sit in long gas lines in the 70s? Anybody remember the "peak oil" movement??? That was all a goof.... now days they go back to old dry fields and mysteriously they r filled up again... geezus the bs they've pushed down our throats over the years just to make a buck.... 

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10/1/2026 2:30pm Edited Date/Time 10/1/2026 2:30pm
early wrote:
Solar is really the only renewable source that's worth deploying at scale. The cost of installation and maintenance for wind is just too much in most...

Solar is really the only renewable source that's worth deploying at scale. The cost of installation and maintenance for wind is just too much in most cases. 

Solar needs to rebrand as subscription-free energy. Fossil fuels are just like everything else nowadays, cheaper to get into but you have to buy into a subscription service to keep it going. 

"Static electricity is really the only renewable source that's worth..."

There... fixed it for ya... 

#freeenergytartaria 

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gt80rider wrote:
Anybody else sit in long gas lines in the 70s? Anybody remember the "peak oil" movement??? That was all a goof.... now days they go back...

Anybody else sit in long gas lines in the 70s? Anybody remember the "peak oil" movement??? That was all a goof.... now days they go back to old dry fields and mysteriously they r filled up again... geezus the bs they've pushed down our throats over the years just to make a buck.... 

Do you remember odd and even days? 

I had to swap plates on my aunts Z28 sometimes to be able to get gas for the cruise on Friday night. 

Tough times…ahhh…Bullshit…

They were awesome times. 🤣

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I remember odd/even, and gas lines right up until they achieved their results.

$1.00 per gallon.

Was living in Santee California at the time, and it was widely known that a armada of tankers were sitting off the coast of long beach waiting for the the okay to come unload.

 

Had family in the drilling business who knew the facts.

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gt80rider wrote:
Anybody else sit in long gas lines in the 70s? Anybody remember the "peak oil" movement??? That was all a goof.... now days they go back...

Anybody else sit in long gas lines in the 70s? Anybody remember the "peak oil" movement??? That was all a goof.... now days they go back to old dry fields and mysteriously they r filled up again... geezus the bs they've pushed down our throats over the years just to make a buck.... 

TeamGreen wrote:
Do you remember odd and even days? I had to swap plates on my aunts Z28 sometimes to be able to get gas for the cruise on...

Do you remember odd and even days? 

I had to swap plates on my aunts Z28 sometimes to be able to get gas for the cruise on Friday night. 

Tough times…ahhh…Bullshit…

They were awesome times. 🤣

Damn , I didn’t think you were that old , or was that cruising done with a fake ID 😁

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RDnutz wrote:
Solar can't be a primary source because it shuts down when the sun goes down. That's when steady baseload power needs to take over. New generation...

Solar can't be a primary source because it shuts down when the sun goes down. That's when steady baseload power needs to take over. New generation safer Nuclear is likely the most cost effective and efficient answer.

Permits have been approved for small, portable nuclear power plants to be created at old K-25 plant at the ORNL complex.

 

And like I've said before, the entire Appalachian coal mine area is dotted with capped wells holding back an unlimited supply of natural gas that's leeched back into old coal seams.

Can't tell me that's not a renewable source of energy. 

Our earth isn't a dead planet.

It's churning down inside.

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10/1/2026 4:08pm
Solar and wind technology can improve all it wants. Doesn't change the fact that solar produces zero energy when the sun isn't shining and wind turbines...

Solar and wind technology can improve all it wants. Doesn't change the fact that solar produces zero energy when the sun isn't shining and wind turbines produce zero energy when the wind isn't blowing. 

RDnutz wrote:
there still has to be reliable baseload generation 24/7/365 to power and balance America's electric grid and daily life needs. You're comparing a small island vs...

there still has to be reliable baseload generation 24/7/365 to power and balance America's electric grid and daily life needs. You're comparing a small island vs. a large country with +330 million people.

You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

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gt80rider wrote:
Anybody else sit in long gas lines in the 70s? Anybody remember the "peak oil" movement??? That was all a goof.... now days they go back...

Anybody else sit in long gas lines in the 70s? Anybody remember the "peak oil" movement??? That was all a goof.... now days they go back to old dry fields and mysteriously they r filled up again... geezus the bs they've pushed down our throats over the years just to make a buck.... 

TeamGreen wrote:
Do you remember odd and even days? I had to swap plates on my aunts Z28 sometimes to be able to get gas for the cruise on...

Do you remember odd and even days? 

I had to swap plates on my aunts Z28 sometimes to be able to get gas for the cruise on Friday night. 

Tough times…ahhh…Bullshit…

They were awesome times. 🤣

Rawly wrote:

Damn , I didn’t think you were that old , or was that cruising done with a fake ID 😁

I wasn’t legal…it started when I was 13.

But, in her car…I could make money racing the older guys. My gramps knew how to make an LT1 scream. 

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I wasn’t legal…it started when I was 13.But, in her car…I could make money racing the older guys. My gramps knew how to make an LT1...

I wasn’t legal…it started when I was 13.

But, in her car…I could make money racing the older guys. My gramps knew how to make an LT1 scream. 

The LT1 had a lot of untapped potential!!

Not like the sluggish 350 w/air induction I had in my ‘80 Z28. 😢 Sounded fantastic when those air induction scoop doors opened but with smog and emissions BS could be out run by a Rabbit GTI. 😂

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gt80rider wrote:
Anybody else sit in long gas lines in the 70s? Anybody remember the "peak oil" movement??? That was all a goof.... now days they go back...

Anybody else sit in long gas lines in the 70s? Anybody remember the "peak oil" movement??? That was all a goof.... now days they go back to old dry fields and mysteriously they r filled up again... geezus the bs they've pushed down our throats over the years just to make a buck.... 

TeamGreen wrote:
Do you remember odd and even days? I had to swap plates on my aunts Z28 sometimes to be able to get gas for the cruise on...

Do you remember odd and even days? 

I had to swap plates on my aunts Z28 sometimes to be able to get gas for the cruise on Friday night. 

Tough times…ahhh…Bullshit…

They were awesome times. 🤣

I had an ElCamino with comericial plates, I was able to go when I needed gas. But not Mom's car.

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You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

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The inhabited part fits inside Texas. In Cucknada, the inhabited part fits inside the UK. The rest of both is Backside of the Moon .   

Just for reference 🤣

"Renewable energy myth"  indeed, but not for the reasons you might think. 

There is no such thing as "renewable energy". I forget which Law or Principle of Physics it is, but energy created and expended, is GONE. You CAN'T "renew" it or re-use it.  Any physicists around who can explain it better?  

"Renewable energy" is a narrative created by the usual suspects, it's one of those bogus phrases George Carlin used to lose his shit over  🤣

What they really mean is "free unlimited  energy" which of course is also unicorns. 

Interesting argument, the entire energy thing. I'm 100% FOR solar, hydro, tidal, even wind energy. NATURAL energy that can be harnessed. But that's not the entire story. 

Germany and northern Europe went all-in on solar power..... an area with atrocious weather at least half the year. 🤣 . "Solar" means SUN, fools! Youi don't have it half  the year! 

Wind energy is a bust mostly. As noted, the windmills are EXTREMELY energy INEFFICIENT. 

Tidal power needs large tidal changes, which the US doesn't have. In the English Channel, the tidal change twice a day is 21 feet..... one reason Omaha Beach on D-Day was such a fuckup. Add corrosion to equipment, and it's not very viable. But with new types of composites etc, who knows? 

Hydro is excellent, but for that you need MOUNTAINS and RIVERS. 2/3 of the US and Canada, most of Australia, the UK, Europe north of the Alps.... don't have it.  

I'm all for clean energy, but let's not get stupid and butt-fuck ourselves for the next 40 years, like zee Chermans did. 

And if you get hysterical about "fossil fuel" and the "criminal oil companies", WTF are you doing yapping about dirtbikes? Take up walking or knitting FFS! (But then, it's not like you even own a bike, izzit? 🤣)  

 

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RDnutz wrote:
there still has to be reliable baseload generation 24/7/365 to power and balance America's electric grid and daily life needs. You're comparing a small island vs...

there still has to be reliable baseload generation 24/7/365 to power and balance America's electric grid and daily life needs. You're comparing a small island vs. a large country with +330 million people.

You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

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nice graphic work on the map overlay. Unfortunately, the point you were trying to make fell flat comparing land mass instead of population which I clearly used in my post. The land mass doesn't have power requirements, while the population DOES. For the record, my estimate of USA population was out dated- it is currently 349,035,494. Million. Curacao is currently 185,492. Thousands.

The current population of the United States of America is 349,580,074 as of Thursday, October 1, 2026, based on Worldometer's elaboration of the latest United Nations  data1.the United States 2026 population is estimated at 349,035,494 people at mid-year.

The current population of Curaçao is 185,492 as of Thursday, September 10, 2026, based on Worldometer's elaboration of the latest United Nations data 1. Curaçao 2026 population is estimated at 185,440 people at mid-year. Curaçao population is equivalent to 0.0022% of the total world population.

Do better or you'll not be allowed to dine at the adult table for the holidays. 🤨

Thanks for playing!

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10/1/2026 5:50pm
RDnutz wrote:
there still has to be reliable baseload generation 24/7/365 to power and balance America's electric grid and daily life needs. You're comparing a small island vs...

there still has to be reliable baseload generation 24/7/365 to power and balance America's electric grid and daily life needs. You're comparing a small island vs. a large country with +330 million people.

You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

Australia Us Map Overlay

RDnutz wrote:
nice graphic work on the map overlay. Unfortunately, the point you were trying to make fell flat comparing land mass instead of population which I clearly...

nice graphic work on the map overlay. Unfortunately, the point you were trying to make fell flat comparing land mass instead of population which I clearly used in my post. The land mass doesn't have power requirements, while the population DOES. For the record, my estimate of USA population was out dated- it is currently 349,035,494. Million. Curacao is currently 185,492. Thousands.

The current population of the United States of America is 349,580,074 as of Thursday, October 1, 2026, based on Worldometer's elaboration of the latest United Nations  data1.the United States 2026 population is estimated at 349,035,494 people at mid-year.

The current population of Curaçao is 185,492 as of Thursday, September 10, 2026, based on Worldometer's elaboration of the latest United Nations data 1. Curaçao 2026 population is estimated at 185,440 people at mid-year. Curaçao population is equivalent to 0.0022% of the total world population.

Do better or you'll not be allowed to dine at the adult table for the holidays. 🤨

Thanks for playing!

As you clearly stated in your post...

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Curaçao, you obviously failed at geography.

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As you clearly stated in your post...Curaçao, you obviously failed at geography.

As you clearly stated in your post...

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Curaçao, you obviously failed at geography.

true! You caught me not researching that before I posted. Good job!

10/1/2026 6:41pm
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Over the last 24 months, the price of oil/barrel has gone up 28%. The price of gasoline has gone up 50%. Speculators only affect the price...

Over the last 24 months, the price of oil/barrel has gone up 28%. The price of gasoline has gone up 50%. Speculators only affect the price of oil.

You really ought to look at the gasoline futures contracts. Gasoline is traded in exactly the same manner as crude oil, with one additional concern. The price of a barrel of oil affects the price of a gallon of gasoline by increasing producer costs for feedstocks (crude oil). If the raw materials increase in price, the finished product must increase in price. Then, you also have speculators trading gasoline futures contracts.

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Solar is really the only renewable source that's worth deploying at scale. The cost of installation and maintenance for wind is just too much in most...

Solar is really the only renewable source that's worth deploying at scale. The cost of installation and maintenance for wind is just too much in most cases. 

Solar needs to rebrand as subscription-free energy. Fossil fuels are just like everything else nowadays, cheaper to get into but you have to buy into a subscription service to keep it going. 

TeamGreen wrote:

I kinda get what for saying; but, your use of subscription(s) needs defining for us to fully get what you’re saying. 

Electric, nat gas, water, sewer you pay a baserate or subscription charge plus usage which is a series of micro-transactions you have with the company. 

The only way to avoid these subscriptions is to go off-grid which is fairly doable for nat gas, water, and sewer but electric is more difficult until solar with battery storage.

Solar is the one form of energy generation you can buy and not have a fixed input cost. Once you have the hardware it works, it's a beautiful thing. 

As far as baseload, nuclear should be developed for a number of reasons, but, without getting too political it will have some issues attached. That was one of the things I noticed in this video is that he really hand waived away any geopolitical implications of fossil fuel reliance. 

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You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

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The inhabited part fits inside Texas. In Cucknada, the inhabited part fits inside the UK. The rest of both is Backside of the Moon .   Just...

The inhabited part fits inside Texas. In Cucknada, the inhabited part fits inside the UK. The rest of both is Backside of the Moon .   

Just for reference 🤣

"Renewable energy myth"  indeed, but not for the reasons you might think. 

There is no such thing as "renewable energy". I forget which Law or Principle of Physics it is, but energy created and expended, is GONE. You CAN'T "renew" it or re-use it.  Any physicists around who can explain it better?  

"Renewable energy" is a narrative created by the usual suspects, it's one of those bogus phrases George Carlin used to lose his shit over  🤣

What they really mean is "free unlimited  energy" which of course is also unicorns. 

Interesting argument, the entire energy thing. I'm 100% FOR solar, hydro, tidal, even wind energy. NATURAL energy that can be harnessed. But that's not the entire story. 

Germany and northern Europe went all-in on solar power..... an area with atrocious weather at least half the year. 🤣 . "Solar" means SUN, fools! Youi don't have it half  the year! 

Wind energy is a bust mostly. As noted, the windmills are EXTREMELY energy INEFFICIENT. 

Tidal power needs large tidal changes, which the US doesn't have. In the English Channel, the tidal change twice a day is 21 feet..... one reason Omaha Beach on D-Day was such a fuckup. Add corrosion to equipment, and it's not very viable. But with new types of composites etc, who knows? 

Hydro is excellent, but for that you need MOUNTAINS and RIVERS. 2/3 of the US and Canada, most of Australia, the UK, Europe north of the Alps.... don't have it.  

I'm all for clean energy, but let's not get stupid and butt-fuck ourselves for the next 40 years, like zee Chermans did. 

And if you get hysterical about "fossil fuel" and the "criminal oil companies", WTF are you doing yapping about dirtbikes? Take up walking or knitting FFS! (But then, it's not like you even own a bike, izzit? 🤣)  

 

You’ve got your laws of physics backwards. The first law of thermodynamics says energy cannot be created or destroyed, it just changes form.

Renewable energy isn’t what you seem to be describing, either. ‘Renewable’ describes the source being naturally replenished, not recycling the same energy or promising free, unlimited electricity. Sunlight keeps arriving, wind keeps developing, the water cycle keeps supplying rivers. None of that contradicts the first law of thermodynamics.

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You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

You're comparing a small island vs. a large country...

Australia Us Map Overlay

The inhabited part fits inside Texas. In Cucknada, the inhabited part fits inside the UK. The rest of both is Backside of the Moon .   Just...

The inhabited part fits inside Texas. In Cucknada, the inhabited part fits inside the UK. The rest of both is Backside of the Moon .   

Just for reference 🤣

"Renewable energy myth"  indeed, but not for the reasons you might think. 

There is no such thing as "renewable energy". I forget which Law or Principle of Physics it is, but energy created and expended, is GONE. You CAN'T "renew" it or re-use it.  Any physicists around who can explain it better?  

"Renewable energy" is a narrative created by the usual suspects, it's one of those bogus phrases George Carlin used to lose his shit over  🤣

What they really mean is "free unlimited  energy" which of course is also unicorns. 

Interesting argument, the entire energy thing. I'm 100% FOR solar, hydro, tidal, even wind energy. NATURAL energy that can be harnessed. But that's not the entire story. 

Germany and northern Europe went all-in on solar power..... an area with atrocious weather at least half the year. 🤣 . "Solar" means SUN, fools! Youi don't have it half  the year! 

Wind energy is a bust mostly. As noted, the windmills are EXTREMELY energy INEFFICIENT. 

Tidal power needs large tidal changes, which the US doesn't have. In the English Channel, the tidal change twice a day is 21 feet..... one reason Omaha Beach on D-Day was such a fuckup. Add corrosion to equipment, and it's not very viable. But with new types of composites etc, who knows? 

Hydro is excellent, but for that you need MOUNTAINS and RIVERS. 2/3 of the US and Canada, most of Australia, the UK, Europe north of the Alps.... don't have it.  

I'm all for clean energy, but let's not get stupid and butt-fuck ourselves for the next 40 years, like zee Chermans did. 

And if you get hysterical about "fossil fuel" and the "criminal oil companies", WTF are you doing yapping about dirtbikes? Take up walking or knitting FFS! (But then, it's not like you even own a bike, izzit? 🤣)  

 

I pointed out that batteries work in countries other than the US, making wind and solar viable as sources of energy.

In Australia 41% of houses have rooftop solar, most of them generating more power than the house needs during the day, installation costs average US$674 per kW, verse US$2940 per kW in the US. 5% of Australian houses have household batteries, saving excess power generated during the day for use in the evening, installation rate is currently 2% annually, installation costs are US$742 per kWh in Australia, verse US$1,000 per kWh in the US.

Many large scale batteries have been connected to the Australian electrical grid, companies are profitable, buying excess solar power generated during the day, and selling it back to the grid in the evening.

Just pointing out that batteries work in countries other than the US.

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10/2/2026 7:24am

You seem very bitter because you live in Australia and not the USA. I get that.

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Electric, nat gas, water, sewer you pay a baserate or subscription charge plus usage which is a series of micro-transactions you have with the company. The only...

Electric, nat gas, water, sewer you pay a baserate or subscription charge plus usage which is a series of micro-transactions you have with the company. 

The only way to avoid these subscriptions is to go off-grid which is fairly doable for nat gas, water, and sewer but electric is more difficult until solar with battery storage.

Solar is the one form of energy generation you can buy and not have a fixed input cost. Once you have the hardware it works, it's a beautiful thing. 

As far as baseload, nuclear should be developed for a number of reasons, but, without getting too political it will have some issues attached. That was one of the things I noticed in this video is that he really hand waived away any geopolitical implications of fossil fuel reliance. 

there is absolutely a fixed input cost for home solar unless you can DIY. Always a contract (loan, rent, lease to own, etc.) involved for installation for probably min $10k for small installation (not whole house of average size) and they always tie you to the grid for nighttime use. The storage batteries like Tesla Wall are very expensive too. 2 people in my friends/family orbit have done whole house solar in CA and the install companies went bankrupt so there was no warranty repairs and controllers especially are hard to find replacements for existing systems.

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10/2/2026 10:03am

PA & OH strip mining massively fucked up the land. 

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