Deegan vs Lawrence (Hunter)

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Deegan about to score zero moto wins in his 450 MX rookie season and Jett got 22 wins. He must feel like a fucking loser. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 

The 0 moto wins is understandable but not even a real lap led (I’m sure some will give him the quarter lap at Unadilla but any moto fan knows the truth) with hole shots is disappointing. I’m so waiting for a fast and furious “I almost had you” when he does get a couple laps led

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Deegan about to score zero moto wins in his 450 MX rookie season and Jett got 22 wins. He must feel like a fucking loser. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 

yak651 wrote:
The 0 moto wins is understandable but not even a real lap led (I’m sure some will give him the quarter lap at Unadilla but any...

The 0 moto wins is understandable but not even a real lap led (I’m sure some will give him the quarter lap at Unadilla but any moto fan knows the truth) with hole shots is disappointing. I’m so waiting for a fast and furious “I almost had you” when he does get a couple laps led

So stupid. So how many 450 laps did Hunter lead at 20 years old. Oh yeah, he was still cherry-picking the 250s.

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His initial 450 debut should have been Supercross so please disregard their error and look to Anaheim 1 as his debut.Also, he should be on Honda...

His initial 450 debut should have been Supercross so please disregard their error and look to Anaheim 1 as his debut.

Also, he should be on Honda, KTM, or maybe Kawasaki. Yamaha needs a radical new, slimmed down 450 with a classic race-forward aesthetic. Their bike was wrong for James Stewart and is still wrong for Deegan, and that’s 17 years of this. Yamaha - give Deegan a sleek bike that looks like a classic supercross weapon. Tomac felt great going to KTM and it wasn’t just about the new bike but what he was leaving.

How was it an error?  He got better this year, and probably made over a million in win-title bonuses all in. Going for another title at 20 was the right move, no matter the name on the back of the jersey.

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What we need to compare is Jett’s results when Hunter was behind in points.

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What we need to compare is Jett’s results when Hunter was behind in points.

Cherry picking random stats to fit a made up narrative, sheesh.. 
Let me have a crack, you've inspired me...

What we need to see is Deegan's win % against Hunter throughout his whole 250/450 career so far?


Just note though, Hunter was racing EMX at 16, MX2 at 17 with multiple podiums and Won the MX2 class overall at MXON. (on a Suzuki..) 
Unsure if your familiar with MXON. I understand if not, being a Deegs fan. Probably hasn't been shown on his YouTube.


Hunter Lawrence Wins MX2 & Carmichael Award at 2017 MXoN - Australasian  Dirt Bike Magazine

 

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What we need to compare is Jett’s results when Hunter was behind in points.

decano51 wrote:
Cherry picking random stats to fit a made up narrative, sheesh.. Let me have a crack, you've inspired me...What we need to see is Deegan's win %...

Cherry picking random stats to fit a made up narrative, sheesh.. 
Let me have a crack, you've inspired me...

What we need to see is Deegan's win % against Hunter throughout his whole 250/450 career so far?


Just note though, Hunter was racing EMX at 16, MX2 at 17 with multiple podiums and Won the MX2 class overall at MXON. (on a Suzuki..) 
Unsure if your familiar with MXON. I understand if not, being a Deegs fan. Probably hasn't been shown on his YouTube.


Hunter Lawrence Wins MX2 & Carmichael Award at 2017 MXoN - Australasian  Dirt Bike Magazine

 

Eh, it’s just weak. No one really cares at your weak attempt to show everyone you can be a Leghumper too.

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Side-by-Side Comparison20 years oldMetric / AttributeHunter Lawrence (Age 20 / ~2019–2020)Haiden Deegan (Age 20 / ~2026)Championship StatusZero AMA Titles (transitioning...
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20 years old
Metric / AttributeHunter Lawrence (Age 20 / ~2019–2020)Haiden Deegan (Age 20 / ~2026)
Championship StatusZero AMA Titles (transitioning from MXGP)Multi-time 250MX, 250SX, & SMX Champion
Team StatusFactory GEICO Honda (Rookie status)Monster Energy Yamaha Star Racing (Team Leader)
Riding StyleSmooth, calculated, and European-schooledHighly aggressive, explosive, and high-risk
Career MomentumPlagued by major injuries (collarbone, shoulder)Incredibly durable with immense financial backing
Class StatusDeveloping 250cc racerTransitioning into the premier 450cc class

Hunter is an excellent racer. The point is every racer is on their own “track” of progress. Trying to elevate Hunter over Deegan based on rookie 450 stats is not an accurate comparison. But it is quite telling that Deegan (as a 20 yo kid - Jan 06) has already established himself as Hunter (27 - Aug 99) and Jett’s (23 - Aug 03) main rival, just in his rookie 450 season.

Jabe wrote:
I think rivalry is the wrong word. Deegan would like it to be a rivalry but there would have to be some back and forth, i.e...

I think rivalry is the wrong word. Deegan would like it to be a rivalry but there would have to be some back and forth, i.e. swapping places during the race.  Which did not really happen. Maybe in the future but not currently.

But also interesting that you keep moving the goal post. This is about rookie 450 seasons, not what they were at when they were 20. makes it obvious you are  grasping for any statistics that favour deegan instead of looking at the results. 

JayDeerTay wrote:

Remember your statement when Davies and Coenen brothers get mentioned...

There's no rivalry  between the Lawrence's and Donger, if by rivalry you mean Donger is a threat to them. As we can see he's zero threat at all. 0-20

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Jabe wrote:
I think rivalry is the wrong word. Deegan would like it to be a rivalry but there would have to be some back and forth, i.e...

I think rivalry is the wrong word. Deegan would like it to be a rivalry but there would have to be some back and forth, i.e. swapping places during the race.  Which did not really happen. Maybe in the future but not currently.

But also interesting that you keep moving the goal post. This is about rookie 450 seasons, not what they were at when they were 20. makes it obvious you are  grasping for any statistics that favour deegan instead of looking at the results. 

JayDeerTay wrote:

Remember your statement when Davies and Coenen brothers get mentioned...

There's no rivalry  between the Lawrence's and Donger, if by rivalry you mean Donger is a threat to them. As we can see he's zero threat...

There's no rivalry  between the Lawrence's and Donger, if by rivalry you mean Donger is a threat to them. As we can see he's zero threat at all. 0-20

Dude you’re so lame. What does that even represent? You had to bold it? That’s the only stats you have? What a lazy Leghumper turd. 

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Yep, the hype is Alessi levels for DngrBoi. Americans must have a hero to root for, this time around you got this kid. Enjoy it, because...

Yep, the hype is Alessi levels for DngrBoi. Americans must have a hero to root for, this time around you got this kid. Enjoy it, because when Davies, Kitchen and Shimoda move up its gunna be even more tough on #38. 

Not a 38 fan but a tad disrespectful coming on here bashing Americans. 

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JayDeerTay wrote:

Remember your statement when Davies and Coenen brothers get mentioned...

There's no rivalry  between the Lawrence's and Donger, if by rivalry you mean Donger is a threat to them. As we can see he's zero threat...

There's no rivalry  between the Lawrence's and Donger, if by rivalry you mean Donger is a threat to them. As we can see he's zero threat at all. 0-20

Dude you’re so lame. What does that even represent? You had to bold it? That’s the only stats you have? What a lazy Leghumper turd. 

I'll tell you what it represents. It represents how badly Donger is doing considering he thought he was a serious rival to Jett and Hunter Lawrence. He's barely a rival to Prada, and will get smoked by Cole Davies as soon as he moves up. 

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What we need to compare is Jett’s results when Hunter was behind in points.

decano51 wrote:
Cherry picking random stats to fit a made up narrative, sheesh.. Let me have a crack, you've inspired me...What we need to see is Deegan's win %...

Cherry picking random stats to fit a made up narrative, sheesh.. 
Let me have a crack, you've inspired me...

What we need to see is Deegan's win % against Hunter throughout his whole 250/450 career so far?


Just note though, Hunter was racing EMX at 16, MX2 at 17 with multiple podiums and Won the MX2 class overall at MXON. (on a Suzuki..) 
Unsure if your familiar with MXON. I understand if not, being a Deegs fan. Probably hasn't been shown on his YouTube.


Hunter Lawrence Wins MX2 & Carmichael Award at 2017 MXoN - Australasian  Dirt Bike Magazine

 

TossWool is so obviously a 'new to the sport because of Donger' fan.  

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So stupid. So how many 450 laps did Hunter lead at 20 years old. Oh yeah, he was still cherry-picking the 250s.

On the other hand Hunter won the 250 class at MXoN when he was 17, so there’s that.

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So stupid. So how many 450 laps did Hunter lead at 20 years old. Oh yeah, he was still cherry-picking the 250s.

ando wrote:

On the other hand Hunter won the 250 class at MXoN when he was 17, so there’s that.

How many times has Deegan won his class at the MXoN?

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So stupid. So how many 450 laps did Hunter lead at 20 years old. Oh yeah, he was still cherry-picking the 250s.

ando wrote:

On the other hand Hunter won the 250 class at MXoN when he was 17, so there’s that.

How many times has Deegan won his class at the MXoN?

In this universe or a parallel one?

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ando wrote:

On the other hand Hunter won the 250 class at MXoN when he was 17, so there’s that.

How many times has Deegan won his class at the MXoN?

ando wrote:

In this universe or a parallel one?

Even with infinite parallel universes, would Deegan have won his class at the MXoN?

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How many times has Deegan won his class at the MXoN?

Deeg s may have top 5’d at des nations on 250, maybe.  
I wish he would get invited one of these years. 

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Deegan about to score zero moto wins in his 450 MX rookie season and Jett got 22 wins. He must feel like a fucking loser. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 

The season's not over yet, he may do a Bradbury.

Impossible, Bradbury isn't a smart arse  dipstick.

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Motodude wrote:
Yep, the hype is Alessi levels for DngrBoi. Americans must have a hero to root for, this time around you got this kid. Enjoy it, because...

Yep, the hype is Alessi levels for DngrBoi. Americans must have a hero to root for, this time around you got this kid. Enjoy it, because when Davies, Kitchen and Shimoda move up its gunna be even more tough on #38. 

crmx105 wrote:

Not a 38 fan but a tad disrespectful coming on here bashing Americans. 

Why, its fun when some take the bait.

All this trash talk on here is not real, its just playtime.

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Deegan about to score zero moto wins in his 450 MX rookie season and Jett got 22 wins. He must feel like a fucking loser. BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! 

The season's not over yet, he may do a Bradbury.

Impossible, Bradbury isn't a smart arse  dipstick.

Bradbury also had a sense of humor...

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The season's not over yet, he may do a Bradbury.

Impossible, Bradbury isn't a smart arse  dipstick.

Bradbury also had a sense of humor...

Bradbury also had a sense of humor...

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The funny thing is that the bros could literally not even turn up this weekend and Deegan still couldn't do a Bradbury for the title. 

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Motodude wrote:
Yep, the hype is Alessi levels for DngrBoi. Americans must have a hero to root for, this time around you got this kid. Enjoy it, because...

Yep, the hype is Alessi levels for DngrBoi. Americans must have a hero to root for, this time around you got this kid. Enjoy it, because when Davies, Kitchen and Shimoda move up its gunna be even more tough on #38. 

JayDeerTay wrote:

All guys he consistently beat....

Motodude wrote:

All the guys he T boned off the track, or he cut the track beating them. Who got the '25 250 WSX title? 

Oof, a 3 race series that he won the previous two years isn't the best example of why deegan might struggle against those guys. That said though, I am looking forward to seeing how well they will do in the 450s (and I hope they move up sooner rather than later) and a deeper field that can run at higher speeds will always make for a more unpredictable series.

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JayDeerTay wrote:

All guys he consistently beat....

Motodude wrote:

All the guys he T boned off the track, or he cut the track beating them. Who got the '25 250 WSX title? 

revkev151 wrote:
Oof, a 3 race series that he won the previous two years isn't the best example of why deegan might struggle against those guys. That said...

Oof, a 3 race series that he won the previous two years isn't the best example of why deegan might struggle against those guys. That said though, I am looking forward to seeing how well they will do in the 450s (and I hope they move up sooner rather than later) and a deeper field that can run at higher speeds will always make for a more unpredictable series.

Ooof, quick to forget what lead up to Deegan winning that first title.. Deegs won 1 out 6 motos... Hunter's issues had a lot to do with Deegan winning that 3 race series. 

 

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The rat-faced danger boi is not in the same league as either of the Lawrences, or even Jorge Prado.   He may get there eventually, but for now he's a second tier rider, at best.  The future does not bode well for Gayden, since he'll have to deal with Cole Davies in the near future.  Gayden  is doomed to be a small footnote in motocross history:  An overhyped has-been, arrogant asshat. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. 

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The rat-faced danger boi is not in the same league as either of the Lawrences, or even Jorge Prado.   He may get there eventually, but...

The rat-faced danger boi is not in the same league as either of the Lawrences, or even Jorge Prado.   He may get there eventually, but for now he's a second tier rider, at best.  The future does not bode well for Gayden, since he'll have to deal with Cole Davies in the near future.  Gayden  is doomed to be a small footnote in motocross history:  An overhyped has-been, arrogant asshat. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride. 

His career will resemble Bradshaws.

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I hate ChatGPT, but that's a pretty cool comparison assuming it's accurate 

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Motodude wrote:
Yep, the hype is Alessi levels for DngrBoi. Americans must have a hero to root for, this time around you got this kid. Enjoy it, because...

Yep, the hype is Alessi levels for DngrBoi. Americans must have a hero to root for, this time around you got this kid. Enjoy it, because when Davies, Kitchen and Shimoda move up its gunna be even more tough on #38. 

crmx105 wrote:

Not a 38 fan but a tad disrespectful coming on here bashing Americans. 

I might be an aussie, but also a founding member of vital. It will be harder for you when Davies moves up and when 85cc world champ Blake Bohannon moves up.

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Motodude wrote:

All the guys he T boned off the track, or he cut the track beating them. Who got the '25 250 WSX title? 

revkev151 wrote:
Oof, a 3 race series that he won the previous two years isn't the best example of why deegan might struggle against those guys. That said...

Oof, a 3 race series that he won the previous two years isn't the best example of why deegan might struggle against those guys. That said though, I am looking forward to seeing how well they will do in the 450s (and I hope they move up sooner rather than later) and a deeper field that can run at higher speeds will always make for a more unpredictable series.

decano51 wrote:
Ooof, quick to forget what lead up to Deegan winning that first title.. Deegs won 1 out 6 motos... Hunter's issues had a lot to do...

Ooof, quick to forget what lead up to Deegan winning that first title.. Deegs won 1 out 6 motos... Hunter's issues had a lot to do with Deegan winning that 3 race series. 

 

Shimoda won 1 out of 5 motos in last years smx playoffs and largely capitalized on deegan being taken out of one moto by Kitchen.

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revkev151 wrote:
Oof, a 3 race series that he won the previous two years isn't the best example of why deegan might struggle against those guys. That said...

Oof, a 3 race series that he won the previous two years isn't the best example of why deegan might struggle against those guys. That said though, I am looking forward to seeing how well they will do in the 450s (and I hope they move up sooner rather than later) and a deeper field that can run at higher speeds will always make for a more unpredictable series.

decano51 wrote:
Ooof, quick to forget what lead up to Deegan winning that first title.. Deegs won 1 out 6 motos... Hunter's issues had a lot to do...

Ooof, quick to forget what lead up to Deegan winning that first title.. Deegs won 1 out 6 motos... Hunter's issues had a lot to do with Deegan winning that 3 race series. 

 

revkev151 wrote:

Shimoda won 1 out of 5 motos in last years smx playoffs and largely capitalized on deegan being taken out of one moto by Kitchen.

and yet, we don't see Shimoda fans on here stroking it and brining that title up every chance they get. 

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decano51 wrote:
Ooof, quick to forget what lead up to Deegan winning that first title.. Deegs won 1 out 6 motos... Hunter's issues had a lot to do...

Ooof, quick to forget what lead up to Deegan winning that first title.. Deegs won 1 out 6 motos... Hunter's issues had a lot to do with Deegan winning that 3 race series. 

 

revkev151 wrote:

Shimoda won 1 out of 5 motos in last years smx playoffs and largely capitalized on deegan being taken out of one moto by Kitchen.

decano51 wrote:

and yet, we don't see Shimoda fans on here stroking it and brining that title up every chance they get. 

Lol what are you talking about? I'm not a deegan fan, I'm just pointing out that it can be a crapshoot and isn't the best measure of who's the best. Your comment about deegan winning in a flukey first year aligns with my point.

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Motodude wrote:
Yep, the hype is Alessi levels for DngrBoi. Americans must have a hero to root for, this time around you got this kid. Enjoy it, because...

Yep, the hype is Alessi levels for DngrBoi. Americans must have a hero to root for, this time around you got this kid. Enjoy it, because when Davies, Kitchen and Shimoda move up its gunna be even more tough on #38. 

crmx105 wrote:

Not a 38 fan but a tad disrespectful coming on here bashing Americans. 

Motodude wrote:
I might be an aussie, but also a founding member of vital. It will be harder for you when Davies moves up and when 85cc world...

I might be an aussie, but also a founding member of vital. It will be harder for you when Davies moves up and when 85cc world champ Blake Bohannon moves up.

Not hard for me at all. I will be the first to admit it's not looking good but that's the way it goes. Hopefully they turn it around before I am in the dirt but we had a heck of a run since the days of the Hurricane. 

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