Deegan “riding the leaders pace”???

The Moth wrote:

Deegan had faster laps than Hunter on laps 10, 14, 15, and 17. Haiden had faster laps than Jett on laps 10, 11, 14, 15, 16...

Deegan had faster laps than Hunter on laps 10, 14, 15, and 17. Haiden had faster laps than Jett on laps 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, and 17.  So on lap 10, while pushing through the pack, Deegan had a faster lap. The remainder of the laps, Deegan was basically running their pace as the broadcast stated. But none of that matters because you’ll just conjecture that Hunter and Jett were just out there for a cruise, enjoying the sites and sounds, right?

It’s interesting to contrast last week where Lucas went from last to 4th, and this week where Deegan went from last to 4th. So I did a little digging. 

The comments section in the Bench Racing thread last week looked like this:

“Lucas is in 13th already, wtf”

“Oh my God this guy is hauling”

“Lucas just matched Jett’s pace 3rd lap passing like 10 guys”

“top ten already ?????”

“Herlings 2.0?”

What’s interesting is that if you look at the lap times for Southwick, Lucas had the fourth fastest lap behind Jett, Deegan and Hunter.  

Now compare the comments in the Bench Racing thread where Deegan goes from dead last to 4th:

“You ain’t going to be the champion, Doucheboy”

“Deegan is sending  but still losing time to Hunta”

“ unreal would be dead last to the win…#bedbugssodesperate”

“Deegan is a beast and all but I think this race also shows outside three or four guys the field is pretty weak”

“A a lot of those last passes were old men”

To be fair, there were comments also giving Deegan props for his ride, even by those who are not fans of Haiden. But when you look at the negative comments, it shows the disparity and the bias that many of you have when it comes to Haiden Deegan.

And we’re supposed to think that you are looking at this objectively?  This place encapsulates idiocracy when it comes to Haiden Deegan; like a dystopian anti-intellectual habitat for so called moto fans who care neither for facts or fairness. 

gerg wrote:

What's so hard to understand?He's acts like a total asshole, because he is one.  He talked a lot of shit before the season (and still does)...

What's so hard to understand?

He's acts like a total asshole, because he is one.  He talked a lot of shit before the season (and still does), accused Jett of using his foot as an excuse when he never did, while constantly coming up with his own repeated excuses; "It's my rookie year, still building, learning year, not as much time on a 450 than all these veterans."

Therefor, there will naturally be people who are happy to shit on him when he doesnt live up to expectation.

Coenen on the other hand, lets his riding do the talking, and acts like an actual normal person...not some tweaking yapping fuck tard, therefor he will generally appeal to fans with functioning brain cells.

The Moth wrote:

It’s not hard to understand at all. I understand it perfectly well which is why I said that this place is a microcosm of idiocracy when...

It’s not hard to understand at all. I understand it perfectly well which is why I said that this place is a microcosm of idiocracy when it comes to Deegan. Pretty ironic you’d talk about appealing to people with functioning brain cells when you’ve shut off critical thinking and have instead replaced it with your feelings about Deegan.  

You are just reaffirming my point that when it comes to Deegan, his haters are essentially letting their personal feelings, and to emphasize, opinions of Haiden, cloud any fair or charitable thoughts they might have on the matter. 

Lucas goes from last to 4th and we hear that he’s Herlings 2.0. Deegan does the same thing, passing the same riders, and he’s just passing “old men” in a field that is weak outside the top 3 or 4 riders. How’s that work?  

It seems to me that all you did was admit you’re biased. 

 

DonJulio wrote:

Lucas did it in 12 minutes on a track he has never rode in a foreign country bud while being humble 

ButteryWaffles wrote:

He would be having a pretty solid rookie season if he wasn’t racing the two best in the world. And yes, I know racing doesn’t work like...

He would be having a pretty solid rookie season if he wasn’t racing the two best in the world. 

And yes, I know racing doesn’t work like that. But  there has been champions that have had those types of seasons. 

DonJulio wrote:

U goin to show us proof or just talk

The Moth wrote:

Deegan had faster laps than Hunter on laps 10, 14, 15, and 17. Haiden had faster laps than Jett on laps 10, 11, 14, 15, 16...

Deegan had faster laps than Hunter on laps 10, 14, 15, and 17. Haiden had faster laps than Jett on laps 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, and 17.  So on lap 10, while pushing through the pack, Deegan had a faster lap. The remainder of the laps, Deegan was basically running their pace as the broadcast stated. But none of that matters because you’ll just conjecture that Hunter and Jett were just out there for a cruise, enjoying the sites and sounds, right?

It’s interesting to contrast last week where Lucas went from last to 4th, and this week where Deegan went from last to 4th. So I did a little digging. 

The comments section in the Bench Racing thread last week looked like this:

“Lucas is in 13th already, wtf”

“Oh my God this guy is hauling”

“Lucas just matched Jett’s pace 3rd lap passing like 10 guys”

“top ten already ?????”

“Herlings 2.0?”

What’s interesting is that if you look at the lap times for Southwick, Lucas had the fourth fastest lap behind Jett, Deegan and Hunter.  

Now compare the comments in the Bench Racing thread where Deegan goes from dead last to 4th:

“You ain’t going to be the champion, Doucheboy”

“Deegan is sending  but still losing time to Hunta”

“ unreal would be dead last to the win…#bedbugssodesperate”

“Deegan is a beast and all but I think this race also shows outside three or four guys the field is pretty weak”

“A a lot of those last passes were old men”

To be fair, there were comments also giving Deegan props for his ride, even by those who are not fans of Haiden. But when you look at the negative comments, it shows the disparity and the bias that many of you have when it comes to Haiden Deegan.

And we’re supposed to think that you are looking at this objectively?  This place encapsulates idiocracy when it comes to Haiden Deegan; like a dystopian anti-intellectual habitat for so called moto fans who care neither for facts or fairness. 

DonJulio wrote:

Looking back, deegan never had fastest lap entire moto 1. Rj had fastest lap on lap 10……wow what an amazing ride by deegan, he was on...

Looking back, deegan never had fastest lap entire moto 1. Rj had fastest lap on lap 10……wow what an amazing ride by deegan, he was on pace with the leaders while going through the pack huh. Delusional 

DonJulio wrote:

Looking back, deegan never had fastest lap entire moto 1. Rj had fastest lap on lap 10……wow what an amazing ride by deegan, he was on...

Looking back, deegan never had fastest lap entire moto 1. Rj had fastest lap on lap 10……wow what an amazing ride by deegan, he was on pace with the leaders while going through the pack huh. Delusional 

The Moth wrote:

Deegan did have fastest lap on lap 14, look it up.  The rest of your nonsense isn’t worth addressing since it’s already been shown to be...

Deegan did have fastest lap on lap 14, look it up.  The rest of your nonsense isn’t worth addressing since it’s already been shown to be wrong, and going over it is a waste of time because you will just be dismissive with a “delusional” or some other sophomoric reply. 

At the end of the day all that matters is the end result and where a rider crosses the line. Everything else is bullshit. Deegan has some work to do to catch the Lawrence’s. But most moto enthusiasts would say going from last to 4th is a great ride. In fact a week earlier when someone else did it, it was Herlings 2.0. Others will just find any reason to discredit Deegan no matter what because their personal feelings clouds their judgement. The latter is the category that you fall into. 


 

Rotaholic wrote:

They said one little slip up in the points and Deegan would be right there to capitalize, he's 67 points back...... 

ButteryWaffles wrote:

He would be having a pretty solid rookie season if he wasn’t racing the two best in the world. And yes, I know racing doesn’t work like...

He would be having a pretty solid rookie season if he wasn’t racing the two best in the world. 

And yes, I know racing doesn’t work like that. But  there has been champions that have had those types of seasons. 

philG wrote:

I would have won if i hadnt have lost. 

I have led more laps than him this year. 

JMCR250 wrote:

100%.  Do they think we're all idiots and can't read/assess lap time differentials and time gaps at the finish?  Just keep saying it enough and people...

100%.  Do they think we're all idiots and can't read/assess lap time differentials and time gaps at the finish?  Just keep saying it enough and people will start believing it.

DonJulio wrote:

0-14 is rough after rip Jett 

SonofThor32 wrote:

By the daily dose of Deegan threads on Vital, the kid is clearly living rent free in many grown mens heads.  Amazing to me nobody stops...

By the daily dose of Deegan threads on Vital, the kid is clearly living rent free in many grown mens heads.  Amazing to me nobody stops to ask themselves "do I look like an idiot creating another Deegan thread on Vital?" before they hit little red 'submit' button below.  There's a lot of ya!  🤡

The Moth wrote:

The Deegan haters are far worse than the so called “bed bugs”.  They look like idiots at this point. As far as Deegan, he’s doing awesome. He’s...

The Deegan haters are far worse than the so called “bed bugs”.  They look like idiots at this point. 

As far as Deegan, he’s doing awesome. He’s in his rookie season going up against Hunter Lawerence, who is riding the best he ever has, Jett, who even with an injured foot is one of the best riders in the world. He’s beating a 4x World Champion and the rest of the class in his rookie season. All of them are seasoned 450 riders. 

For context, Hunter didn’t win any overalls in his rookie season, was consistently well back from Sexton, and Jett was out injured. Sexton won one overall in his rookie season, but had only so-so results in the rest finishing 5th overall in a somewhat weak class. 

Tomac didn’t win a 450 title for 3 seasons, and Jett, well Jett is an exception who went 22-0 in his rookie season, but I don’t think any of them faced the competition Haiden has in their rookie seasons. Yet some are acting like Haiden will never win in the 450 class. If anything Deegan will get better, he’s just taking his lumps now while the keyboard heroes touch tips at the thought of him losing. 

 

DonJulio wrote:

He will win pala!!!! Oh but now all his fans say he is doing great….while having 0 wins and 0 laps lead in 14 motos. 

yardsailor wrote:

Deegan is fine and will get better. I figured he would be a 3-5 guy tgise season and maybe sneak a moto win out. The other brothers are...

Deegan is fine and will get better. 
I figured he would be a 3-5 guy tgise season and maybe sneak a moto win out. 
The other brothers are perhaps 2 of the greatest ever to ride. 
If those 2 weren’t here racing, Deegan would be having a great season then, also.  

The Moth wrote:

The Deegan haters are far worse than the so called “bed bugs”.  They look like idiots at this point. As far as Deegan, he’s doing awesome. He’s...

The Deegan haters are far worse than the so called “bed bugs”.  They look like idiots at this point. 

As far as Deegan, he’s doing awesome. He’s in his rookie season going up against Hunter Lawerence, who is riding the best he ever has, Jett, who even with an injured foot is one of the best riders in the world. He’s beating a 4x World Champion and the rest of the class in his rookie season. All of them are seasoned 450 riders. 

For context, Hunter didn’t win any overalls in his rookie season, was consistently well back from Sexton, and Jett was out injured. Sexton won one overall in his rookie season, but had only so-so results in the rest finishing 5th overall in a somewhat weak class. 

Tomac didn’t win a 450 title for 3 seasons, and Jett, well Jett is an exception who went 22-0 in his rookie season, but I don’t think any of them faced the competition Haiden has in their rookie seasons. Yet some are acting like Haiden will never win in the 450 class. If anything Deegan will get better, he’s just taking his lumps now while the keyboard heroes touch tips at the thought of him losing. 

 

DonJulio wrote:

He will win pala!!!! Oh but now all his fans say he is doing great….while having 0 wins and 0 laps lead in 14 motos. 

Kenny Banyan wrote:

I think it a testament to how fricking fast those Brothers are. He’s sitting 3rd in the points and been on the podium several times. So...

I think it a testament to how fricking fast those Brothers are. He’s sitting 3rd in the points and been on the podium several times. So far he is doing great, especially being a 450 Rookie. I thought his first moto last Saturday coming up for a top 5 after that first turn was pretty impressive.

Shred wrote:

Lap times lap time lap times.  Who gives a shit??  Lots of reasons someone has a faster lap any one lap.  Lappers, traffic, tip over, mistake...

Lap times lap time lap times.  Who gives a shit??  Lots of reasons someone has a faster lap any one lap.  Lappers, traffic, tip over, mistake, cruising a lead, ect….  Comparing single lap times shows people that have never raced.  Heck…38th place probably beat Jett’s lap time while his bar was in his boot.  All that matters is crossing first.  Everything else is grasping at straws because even the finish being 20 seconds behind may have been 35 but leader cruised it in.  I got to think anyone using single lap times has never raced.  Even 5 lap times really doesn’t mean much.  We all know deegan is close..ish…so some laps will be better.  RJ has had fastest laps at times.  Who cares?  Deegs is pretty consistently being beat by 20 to 30 seconds behind with leader cruising it in.  And yes…that includes Thunder Valley when you add at least a second per cheater line lap.  I would argue that Washugal is his best/only chance to win a moto.

…btw…this was NOT what we were sold by the deegans and others at the beginning of the season….despite bed bugs trying to reshape what the narrative was.  Doesn’t mean it isn’t a good rookie season…but….

The Moth wrote:

Deegan had faster laps than Hunter on laps 10, 14, 15, and 17. Haiden had faster laps than Jett on laps 10, 11, 14, 15, 16...

Deegan had faster laps than Hunter on laps 10, 14, 15, and 17. Haiden had faster laps than Jett on laps 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, and 17.  So on lap 10, while pushing through the pack, Deegan had a faster lap. The remainder of the laps, Deegan was basically running their pace as the broadcast stated. But none of that matters because you’ll just conjecture that Hunter and Jett were just out there for a cruise, enjoying the sites and sounds, right?

It’s interesting to contrast last week where Lucas went from last to 4th, and this week where Deegan went from last to 4th. So I did a little digging. 

The comments section in the Bench Racing thread last week looked like this:

“Lucas is in 13th already, wtf”

“Oh my God this guy is hauling”

“Lucas just matched Jett’s pace 3rd lap passing like 10 guys”

“top ten already ?????”

“Herlings 2.0?”

What’s interesting is that if you look at the lap times for Southwick, Lucas had the fourth fastest lap behind Jett, Deegan and Hunter.  

Now compare the comments in the Bench Racing thread where Deegan goes from dead last to 4th:

“You ain’t going to be the champion, Doucheboy”

“Deegan is sending  but still losing time to Hunta”

“ unreal would be dead last to the win…#bedbugssodesperate”

“Deegan is a beast and all but I think this race also shows outside three or four guys the field is pretty weak”

“A a lot of those last passes were old men”

To be fair, there were comments also giving Deegan props for his ride, even by those who are not fans of Haiden. But when you look at the negative comments, it shows the disparity and the bias that many of you have when it comes to Haiden Deegan.

And we’re supposed to think that you are looking at this objectively?  This place encapsulates idiocracy when it comes to Haiden Deegan; like a dystopian anti-intellectual habitat for so called moto fans who care neither for facts or fairness. 

gerg wrote:

What's so hard to understand?He's acts like a total asshole, because he is one.  He talked a lot of shit before the season (and still does)...

What's so hard to understand?

He's acts like a total asshole, because he is one.  He talked a lot of shit before the season (and still does), accused Jett of using his foot as an excuse when he never did, while constantly coming up with his own repeated excuses; "It's my rookie year, still building, learning year, not as much time on a 450 than all these veterans."

Therefor, there will naturally be people who are happy to shit on him when he doesnt live up to expectation.

Coenen on the other hand, lets his riding do the talking, and acts like an actual normal person...not some tweaking yapping fuck tard, therefor he will generally appeal to fans with functioning brain cells.

The Moth wrote:

It’s not hard to understand at all. I understand it perfectly well which is why I said that this place is a microcosm of idiocracy when...

It’s not hard to understand at all. I understand it perfectly well which is why I said that this place is a microcosm of idiocracy when it comes to Deegan. Pretty ironic you’d talk about appealing to people with functioning brain cells when you’ve shut off critical thinking and have instead replaced it with your feelings about Deegan.  

You are just reaffirming my point that when it comes to Deegan, his haters are essentially letting their personal feelings, and to emphasize, opinions of Haiden, cloud any fair or charitable thoughts they might have on the matter. 

Lucas goes from last to 4th and we hear that he’s Herlings 2.0. Deegan does the same thing, passing the same riders, and he’s just passing “old men” in a field that is weak outside the top 3 or 4 riders. How’s that work?  

It seems to me that all you did was admit you’re biased. 

 

Mavetism wrote:

"he is doing great, especially being a 450 Rookie."Depends on who you compare him with. With other 250 MX champs that moved up? Then no. Stat wise...

"he is doing great, especially being a 450 Rookie."

Depends on who you compare him with. With other 250 MX champs that moved up? Then no. 

Stat wise in the last 10 years the only upcoming 250 MX champs that did worse in their rookie years were Webb and AP.

Zacho, Cianciarulo, Ferrandis, Jett, and Hunter all did better in their first outdoor year.

 

Mavetism wrote:

"he is doing great, especially being a 450 Rookie."Depends on who you compare him with. With other 250 MX champs that moved up? Then no. Stat wise...

"he is doing great, especially being a 450 Rookie."

Depends on who you compare him with. With other 250 MX champs that moved up? Then no. 

Stat wise in the last 10 years the only upcoming 250 MX champs that did worse in their rookie years were Webb and AP.

Zacho, Cianciarulo, Ferrandis, Jett, and Hunter all did better in their first outdoor year.

 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I posted it in another thread, but I compared rookie seasons for several riders. I was surprised to see Josh Grant won an overall. I didn't...

I posted it in another thread, but I compared rookie seasons for several riders. I was surprised to see Josh Grant won an overall. I didn't remember that. 

2026 Deegan: 5-3-6-3-6-3-2- rest TBD

*Just added Short, Metcalfe, Canard, Weimer, Rattray, Wilson, and Prado

Rookie Seasons

2025 Hampshire: 9-7-7-8-6-4-4-5-2-4-4 = 5th

2025 Prado: 6-9-13-17-5-6-9-14-5-12-10 = 6th

2024 H. Lawrence: 2-2-2-3-3-3-2-4-2-2-4 = 2nd

2024 J. Cooper: 6-4-3-5-4-5-3-5-6-10-5 = 4th 

2023 J. Lawrence: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 = 1st

2021 Ferrandis: 1-2-1-1-1-3-3-2-1-2-2-1 = 1st

2020 Cianciarulo: 12-2-3-5-1-1-4-2-3 = 2nd

2020 Sexton: 8-13-6-2-10-4-5-4-1 = 5th

2019 Osborne: 4-4-3-5-3-2-2-6-3-5-3 = 5th

2019 Plessinger: 17-11-16-17-20-8-40 = 21st

2017 Webb: 7-17-11-5-9-39-4-5-4-7-5 = 8th

2016 Musquin: 8-9-14-3-5-5-4-2-3-2-3-4 = 3rd

2015 Baggett: 5-7-3-4-16-3-8-3-9-8-4-7 = 4th

2015 Wilson: 10-7-14 = 23rd

2014 Roczen: 2-1-1-2-1-1-2-3-3-4-1-4 = 1st

2014 Tomac: 3-2-3-1-2-3-7-3 = 5th

2013 Barcia: 5-3-2-4-5-3-5-9-4-2-6-3 = 3rd 

2012 Tickle: 6-14-11-7-2-6-6-5-3-2-12-3 = 5th

2012 Rattray: 4-9-19-5-7-5-4-9 = 10th

2011 Weimer: 12-6-9-8-18-13-7-12-6-6-5-9 = 6th

2011 Canard: 3-11 = 24th

2010 Dungey: 8-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-6-1-2 = 1st

2010 Metcalfe: 4-4-3-6-3-5-9-3-3-9-2-3 = 2nd

2009 J. Grant: 3-5-11-8-6-1-4-2-18 = 6th

2009 Villopoto: 1-21 = 24th

2008 J. Hill: 19-9-24-9-9-13-4-11-5-13-9-8 = 7th

2007 Langston: 5-6-3-7-6-7-10-2-2-1-1-1 = 1st

2007 M. Alessi: 8-9-5-6-3-4-2-5-3-2-2-2 = 2nd

2007 A. Short: 7-5-4-4-5-3-3-3-4-4-3-5 = 3rd

2005 J. Stewart: 12-2-38-3-3-37-11 = 10th

2003 Reed: 2-2-4-6-4-3-5-4-3-4-4 = 3rd 

2000 Carmichael: 1-3-11-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-1-1 = 1st

Mavetism wrote:

"he is doing great, especially being a 450 Rookie."Depends on who you compare him with. With other 250 MX champs that moved up? Then no. Stat wise...

"he is doing great, especially being a 450 Rookie."

Depends on who you compare him with. With other 250 MX champs that moved up? Then no. 

Stat wise in the last 10 years the only upcoming 250 MX champs that did worse in their rookie years were Webb and AP.

Zacho, Cianciarulo, Ferrandis, Jett, and Hunter all did better in their first outdoor year.

 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

I posted it in another thread, but I compared rookie seasons for several riders. I was surprised to see Josh Grant won an overall. I didn't...

I posted it in another thread, but I compared rookie seasons for several riders. I was surprised to see Josh Grant won an overall. I didn't remember that. 

2026 Deegan: 5-3-6-3-6-3-2- rest TBD

*Just added Short, Metcalfe, Canard, Weimer, Rattray, Wilson, and Prado

Rookie Seasons

2025 Hampshire: 9-7-7-8-6-4-4-5-2-4-4 = 5th

2025 Prado: 6-9-13-17-5-6-9-14-5-12-10 = 6th

2024 H. Lawrence: 2-2-2-3-3-3-2-4-2-2-4 = 2nd

2024 J. Cooper: 6-4-3-5-4-5-3-5-6-10-5 = 4th 

2023 J. Lawrence: 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 = 1st

2021 Ferrandis: 1-2-1-1-1-3-3-2-1-2-2-1 = 1st

2020 Cianciarulo: 12-2-3-5-1-1-4-2-3 = 2nd

2020 Sexton: 8-13-6-2-10-4-5-4-1 = 5th

2019 Osborne: 4-4-3-5-3-2-2-6-3-5-3 = 5th

2019 Plessinger: 17-11-16-17-20-8-40 = 21st

2017 Webb: 7-17-11-5-9-39-4-5-4-7-5 = 8th

2016 Musquin: 8-9-14-3-5-5-4-2-3-2-3-4 = 3rd

2015 Baggett: 5-7-3-4-16-3-8-3-9-8-4-7 = 4th

2015 Wilson: 10-7-14 = 23rd

2014 Roczen: 2-1-1-2-1-1-2-3-3-4-1-4 = 1st

2014 Tomac: 3-2-3-1-2-3-7-3 = 5th

2013 Barcia: 5-3-2-4-5-3-5-9-4-2-6-3 = 3rd 

2012 Tickle: 6-14-11-7-2-6-6-5-3-2-12-3 = 5th

2012 Rattray: 4-9-19-5-7-5-4-9 = 10th

2011 Weimer: 12-6-9-8-18-13-7-12-6-6-5-9 = 6th

2011 Canard: 3-11 = 24th

2010 Dungey: 8-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-6-1-2 = 1st

2010 Metcalfe: 4-4-3-6-3-5-9-3-3-9-2-3 = 2nd

2009 J. Grant: 3-5-11-8-6-1-4-2-18 = 6th

2009 Villopoto: 1-21 = 24th

2008 J. Hill: 19-9-24-9-9-13-4-11-5-13-9-8 = 7th

2007 Langston: 5-6-3-7-6-7-10-2-2-1-1-1 = 1st

2007 M. Alessi: 8-9-5-6-3-4-2-5-3-2-2-2 = 2nd

2007 A. Short: 7-5-4-4-5-3-3-3-4-4-3-5 = 3rd

2005 J. Stewart: 12-2-38-3-3-37-11 = 10th

2003 Reed: 2-2-4-6-4-3-5-4-3-4-4 = 3rd 

2000 Carmichael: 1-3-11-1-1-2-1-1-1-1-1-1 = 1st

lumpy790 wrote:

More winner winner chicken dinners than I thought there would be.

How many jumped up mid season from 250 and did it? Only Jett?

DonJulio wrote:

He will win pala!!!! Oh but now all his fans say he is doing great….while having 0 wins and 0 laps lead in 14 motos. 

Kenny Banyan wrote:

I think it a testament to how fricking fast those Brothers are. He’s sitting 3rd in the points and been on the podium several times. So...

I think it a testament to how fricking fast those Brothers are. He’s sitting 3rd in the points and been on the podium several times. So far he is doing great, especially being a 450 Rookie. I thought his first moto last Saturday coming up for a top 5 after that first turn was pretty impressive.

Mavetism wrote:

"he is doing great, especially being a 450 Rookie."Depends on who you compare him with. With other 250 MX champs that moved up? Then no. Stat wise...

"he is doing great, especially being a 450 Rookie."

Depends on who you compare him with. With other 250 MX champs that moved up? Then no. 

Stat wise in the last 10 years the only upcoming 250 MX champs that did worse in their rookie years were Webb and AP.

Zacho, Cianciarulo, Ferrandis, Jett, and Hunter all did better in their first outdoor year.

 

lumpy790 wrote:

More winner winner chicken dinners than I thought there would be.

How many jumped up mid season from 250 and did it? Only Jett?