Shortening Outdoor Motos/Program

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SEEMEFIRST wrote:

Man, totally sux if that's what they do.

So much can happen in the last 10 minutes. This is an awful idea.

TheMilkman wrote:
RC was spouting some data that essentially nothing happens with the top 3 in the last 10 min. I couldn’t believe it but I also didn’t...

RC was spouting some data that essentially nothing happens with the top 3 in the last 10 min. I couldn’t believe it but I also didn’t dig through the data. I would love to see the Lawrence brothers fight this by planning a couple of late laps where they just pass each other back forth like 20 times just to skew that point.

Yeah, I don't know,  seems like that last 10 has had some come from behind rides that wouldn't have happened in 20.

Fitness comes in to play, along with bike reliability. This is crazy talk.

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7/17/2026 5:02pm

Does anyone not like the triple crowns? Make it three shorter races. Everyone wins. I have been around the sport a long time and now find all my friends and colleagues are done with watching racing on tv after supercross concludes. Motocross is the best it has ever been since mx sports is in charge, but as far as gaining TV viewers, we can all agree it’s too long. Amazon ruined everything. They will figure it out. They are always moving forward boldly. 

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Does anyone not like the triple crowns? Make it three shorter races. Everyone wins. I have been around the sport a long time and now find...

Does anyone not like the triple crowns? Make it three shorter races. Everyone wins. I have been around the sport a long time and now find all my friends and colleagues are done with watching racing on tv after supercross concludes. Motocross is the best it has ever been since mx sports is in charge, but as far as gaining TV viewers, we can all agree it’s too long. Amazon ruined everything. They will figure it out. They are always moving forward boldly. 

Triple crowns are cool because the standard sx format is trash.


Standard moto format is fine. Don’t fuck this up.

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If NBC wants to cut down the moto length, just do that via delay and show on NBC broadcast for the casual/non fan.

Keep the full length and stream live on Peacock for us fans.

 

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As a huge RC fan, I have to say I have been super disappointed in his outlook and his persona over these last few years. The podcast with Chad was terrible, like brutal-couldn't suck up to Reed enough. And now this? Come on fuck, have a spine and stand up for your sport, the history and tradition of the sport, for the demand and the challenge of winning a moto over 30+2. Never mind 2 motos. For a guy that built his reputation on being a complete bad ass he now represents a potential pussification of the sport that made him rich in large part because he beat everyone else into the ground. As others have said, golf for 5 hours...tell Wimbledon to do away with 5 hour marathon final matches....I mean fuck me. Show the 2nd motos on NBC and leave the rest to the stream so we can maintain the integrity of the sport. My interest will immediately go away. This rationale to fit this into a TV window is horseshit-they are not asking other sports to fuck themselves over and reduce their sport to the lowest common denominator. Maybe the Deegans are behind it......

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I'm astonished how this is even an issue it's a streaming app you have repalys I've been watching One Moto each night for the second time! And there's plenty of content out there you have highlights for The Tick Tock generation that can't get off their phones for 5 minutes! Yeah let's just shorten  a marathon because it's too boring to watch that's not the whole point of this sport! I've been holding our for Ricky he is the Goat! but this is crazy he knows the fitness involved is important makes me wonder how bad he really needs this job did his wife really screw him that bad in the divorce?

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I'm astonished how this is even an issue it's a streaming app you have repalys I've been watching One Moto each night for the second time...

I'm astonished how this is even an issue it's a streaming app you have repalys I've been watching One Moto each night for the second time! And there's plenty of content out there you have highlights for The Tick Tock generation that can't get off their phones for 5 minutes! Yeah let's just shorten  a marathon because it's too boring to watch that's not the whole point of this sport! I've been holding our for Ricky he is the Goat! but this is crazy he knows the fitness involved is important makes me wonder how bad he really needs this job did his wife really screw him that bad in the divorce?

I think he gets off each time someone calls him the goat so he needs this job to stay relevant.

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7/17/2026 6:03pm

Worried about TV...how many people won't go in person to watch 20 minute motos? I know they watch short mains in triple crown SX in person, but that's a lot different than being willing to stand out baking in the sun in the middle of nowhere all day. I don't think 20 minute motos would have the same success. Might as well make GNCC pro bike 1 hour long while were at it. 

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profmur wrote:
If NBC wants to cut down the moto length, just do that via delay and show on NBC broadcast for the casual/non fan.Keep the full length...

If NBC wants to cut down the moto length, just do that via delay and show on NBC broadcast for the casual/non fan.

Keep the full length and stream live on Peacock for us fans.

 

This is most logical solution I’ve heard that satisfies everyone. Anyone who wants shorter motos won’t care if the race isn’t live. Anyone who wants to keep 30 min motos won’t care if they can’t watch on NBC and have to stream through an app. 

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Again in order to grow the sport we have to shit on tradition and the core fans. 

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Isn't a majority of content consumed online in clips shorter than a minute? Our attention spans suck. Reminds me of MLB and the rise of banana ball- They have a 2 hr limit, no mound visits, no stepping out of the batter box. And it's proven to be incredibly popular. I think their social following is larger than some of the MLB teams.

I understand a more condensed format, could see 3 motos each working. I also understand how it works perfectly fine the way it is. I don't think that will aide in growing the sport. Not sure it's necessary, but tell that to the revenue driven decision makers.

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7/17/2026 6:42pm

Shortening a 4 hour program to a 3 hour 20 minute program doesn't solve anything.

Statistics can show when the exciting stuff happens, but only using data from one season to change the sport is just ignorant. Can we get data from 10 or 20 years? And if those last 10-minute lead changes are outliers, are they all epic? Paging SMXMuse @JoeyNovice 

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If they did 25 or 27 minute +2 laps, I wouldn’t be mad about it. Maybe better for tv times slots too. I really don’t care enough that I’d argue anyone’s opinion about it though tbh

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Ladies and Gents may I present “grow the sport” Keep going A holes. Follow nascars lead and alienate your true core fans! 👍🏻

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NBC/MX Sports/RC needs me more than I need them. 

That’s the beauty of a participation sport. 

I’m more than capable of avoiding a screen on Sunday morning to go riding instead.
 

 

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Part of me wonders if they're trying to open the door for electric bikes in addition to the bs TV times excuses. Considering how making a battery last 30+2 at the pro level is pretty tricky, but 20+2 is a lot more realistic...

Hate it either way. Late moto charges when someone's putting it all out there, heart rate spiked, just straight up digging deeper into the pain cave than any one else, is as core moto as it gets.

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Nope.

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bents wrote:
As a huge RC fan, I have to say I have been super disappointed in his outlook and his persona over these last few years. The...

As a huge RC fan, I have to say I have been super disappointed in his outlook and his persona over these last few years. The podcast with Chad was terrible, like brutal-couldn't suck up to Reed enough. And now this? Come on fuck, have a spine and stand up for your sport, the history and tradition of the sport, for the demand and the challenge of winning a moto over 30+2. Never mind 2 motos. For a guy that built his reputation on being a complete bad ass he now represents a potential pussification of the sport that made him rich in large part because he beat everyone else into the ground. As others have said, golf for 5 hours...tell Wimbledon to do away with 5 hour marathon final matches....I mean fuck me. Show the 2nd motos on NBC and leave the rest to the stream so we can maintain the integrity of the sport. My interest will immediately go away. This rationale to fit this into a TV window is horseshit-they are not asking other sports to fuck themselves over and reduce their sport to the lowest common denominator. Maybe the Deegans are behind it......

Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little or no analysis while yelling at every exciting moment like a 4 year old.  Title 24 is painful to listen to and they must be paying RV a pile of cash to be part of that joke of a pod.

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Oh right, electric. It’s coming.

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Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little...

Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little or no analysis while yelling at every exciting moment like a 4 year old.  Title 24 is painful to listen to and they must be paying RV a pile of cash to be part of that joke of a pod.

Your an idiot that doesn't use a turn signal,  speeds through yellow lights, can't merge on an on ramp and likely hasn't run 1 lap at millville

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What we need is shorter motos so there is more time to get personal with rider profile type segments. We also need longer infomercials between motos.

Make sure to give the Will her own segment with a rider. 20 minutes (which is about 2 questions and comments from her) will do.

70 minutes of racing and 170 minutes of fluff please.

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Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little...

Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little or no analysis while yelling at every exciting moment like a 4 year old.  Title 24 is painful to listen to and they must be paying RV a pile of cash to be part of that joke of a pod.

Gmyersdork wrote:
Your an idiot that doesn't use a turn signal,  speeds through yellow lights, can't merge on an on ramp and likely hasn't run 1 lap at...

Your an idiot that doesn't use a turn signal,  speeds through yellow lights, can't merge on an on ramp and likely hasn't run 1 lap at millville

You're*

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Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little...

Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little or no analysis while yelling at every exciting moment like a 4 year old.  Title 24 is painful to listen to and they must be paying RV a pile of cash to be part of that joke of a pod.

Gmyersdork wrote:
Your an idiot that doesn't use a turn signal,  speeds through yellow lights, can't merge on an on ramp and likely hasn't run 1 lap at...

Your an idiot that doesn't use a turn signal,  speeds through yellow lights, can't merge on an on ramp and likely hasn't run 1 lap at millville

Sorry that bothered you Ricky. 

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It’s likely a done deal.  Sounds like NBC wants it and MX Sports will give them what they want.  Gotta grow the sport ya know.  Screw...

It’s likely a done deal.  Sounds like NBC wants it and MX Sports will give them what they want.  Gotta grow the sport ya know.  Screw the history and tradition of motocross.  🤦🏼‍♂️

MX Sports would sell orphans to China to make a few extra bucks...

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I will never pay for peacock again. I have it now because it came free with my Internet provider for 2 years.After that never again.I’ll pay...

I will never pay for peacock again. I have it now because it came free with my Internet provider for 2 years.


After that never again.


I’ll pay for mxgp every time.

TheMilkman wrote:
Most people claiming this I would call BS. However, this coming from you…I totally believe it. You should head up the committee to petition this. You...

Most people claiming this I would call BS. However, this coming from you…I totally believe it. You should head up the committee to petition this. You have the most experience advocating for it.

30minmotos wrote:
It’s sad because I’m a mega fan, but ama treats us like we’re morons. Terrible production, terrible segments, talk to us like we never watched the...

It’s sad because I’m a mega fan, but ama treats us like we’re morons. Terrible production, terrible segments, talk to us like we never watched the sport before, show us what year offs are every time it’s muddy, tell us what the brake pedal does and how to press it.


And now this shit?

I've said it before. They know the real fans have nowhere else to go if they want to watch MX - except MXGP (and even then most still want to watch AMA because of the riders). Therefore, they can serve any old shit they want to cater for the so-called casual fan knowing the real fans will just keep on watching. 

Just ask this guy. His whole 'broadcasting' career has benefitted from this situation...

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Can't believe what I just watched, man. Ricky shilling hard for NBC and acting like it's inevitable, like this just needs to happen... dude, respectfully, shut...

Can't believe what I just watched, man. Ricky shilling hard for NBC and acting like it's inevitable, like this just needs to happen... dude, respectfully, shut the fuck up. We don't need to cave to the needs of the TikTok generation and shorten the races, I can't believe this take is coming from the GOAT himself. 

But hey, fuck it, while we're at it, let's end baseball games after 6 innings. Make football games three periods like hockey. Can't wait to watch the Daytona 300 next year, or the Nurburgring 18 Hours.

Can't push back on this hard enough.

Don't be surprised at RC. He'd do anything - literally anything - to keep his job at NBC.

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bents wrote:
As a huge RC fan, I have to say I have been super disappointed in his outlook and his persona over these last few years. The...

As a huge RC fan, I have to say I have been super disappointed in his outlook and his persona over these last few years. The podcast with Chad was terrible, like brutal-couldn't suck up to Reed enough. And now this? Come on fuck, have a spine and stand up for your sport, the history and tradition of the sport, for the demand and the challenge of winning a moto over 30+2. Never mind 2 motos. For a guy that built his reputation on being a complete bad ass he now represents a potential pussification of the sport that made him rich in large part because he beat everyone else into the ground. As others have said, golf for 5 hours...tell Wimbledon to do away with 5 hour marathon final matches....I mean fuck me. Show the 2nd motos on NBC and leave the rest to the stream so we can maintain the integrity of the sport. My interest will immediately go away. This rationale to fit this into a TV window is horseshit-they are not asking other sports to fuck themselves over and reduce their sport to the lowest common denominator. Maybe the Deegans are behind it......

Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little...

Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little or no analysis while yelling at every exciting moment like a 4 year old.  Title 24 is painful to listen to and they must be paying RV a pile of cash to be part of that joke of a pod.

Have you noticed RV can't even be bothered showing up with a proper mic anymore? It's supposed to be a professional podcasta and he just uses his shitty laptop mic...

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Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little...

Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little or no analysis while yelling at every exciting moment like a 4 year old.  Title 24 is painful to listen to and they must be paying RV a pile of cash to be part of that joke of a pod.

Gmyersdork wrote:
Your an idiot that doesn't use a turn signal,  speeds through yellow lights, can't merge on an on ramp and likely hasn't run 1 lap at...

Your an idiot that doesn't use a turn signal,  speeds through yellow lights, can't merge on an on ramp and likely hasn't run 1 lap at millville

Hey RC.

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7/17/2026 10:54pm Edited Date/Time 7/18/2026 12:20am
Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little...

Couldn't agree more about RC.  He is a patsy for sponsors and whatever the broadcast wants him to say.  He gargles everyone's balls and offers little or no analysis while yelling at every exciting moment like a 4 year old.  Title 24 is painful to listen to and they must be paying RV a pile of cash to be part of that joke of a pod.

Gmyersdork wrote:
Your an idiot that doesn't use a turn signal,  speeds through yellow lights, can't merge on an on ramp and likely hasn't run 1 lap at...

Your an idiot that doesn't use a turn signal,  speeds through yellow lights, can't merge on an on ramp and likely hasn't run 1 lap at millville

SoCalMX70 wrote:

You're*

The inability to use English proves the post was indeed written by that old halfwit RC...

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Dave v3.0 wrote:
Hell to the naw naw.  Fitness and equipment has to play a part in the outdoors.The ONLY way I'd consider it is if we added another...

Hell to the naw naw.  Fitness and equipment has to play a part in the outdoors.

The ONLY way I'd consider it is if we added another moto...but that would effectively lengthen the program and make it even harder for the casual fan to understand.

Might consider it IF we add a 125 class to every outdoor round and give them 2 full length motos during the program.

Otherwise, this is just the continued shitification of the outdoors.

havemah wrote:
They did three motos in GP's one year I think. Shorter motos. And I did not like it at all. It might make good tv, but...

They did three motos in GP's one year I think. Shorter motos. And I did not like it at all. It might make good tv, but as a spectator at the track I want to see longer races and not races very start dependant. You are just waiting during the breaks between the races, and before you know it the next race is over when you are fetching another beer ;-). 

Our nationals are 25 minutes and two rounds and that is the absolute minimum. I rather prefer the old 40 minutes motos.

(And while I am talking about the good old days. Bring back real mx tracks)

Speaking of the tracks and shitification... obviously there are changes that need to be made from time to time. But, the dumbing down of tracks and trying to satisfy the TV "time slots" have taken a toll. Look at Red Bud, for example. Has any track lost as much "track" since say, 2007, as red bud? My dad brought us there in 07 for the first time and it was amazing to see. Fast forward and the track has lost 25+ seconds a lap and many prior sections no longer exist. I get it, more spectator areas blah blah. But its a staggering difference. It's also at the point where getting a MXON is almsot a kiss of death to your beloved national track here (see Ironman last year). I'm from MN and as much as I'd love to see Millville get one, I'm worried about the further dumbification of the track that could be implemented and be hard to reverse. I guess TV rules now, but we may have sold the core of sport to try to sell it to people who don't care that much about it anyways and it may not move the needle enough to take it to the next level, whatever that perceived level is. Idk man. 

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