Moto Wins for Deegan the next 3 weeks

plowboy wrote:

Can we at least agree that if something happens to the Hunter Bros...then Deegan is the best of the rest?  And for the record, I'm a...

Can we at least agree that if something happens to the Hunter Bros...then Deegan is the best of the rest?  And for the record, I'm a Lawrence cum chuggler...until Tony gets here.🙃

Last2Stroke wrote:

According to @MOTO13 , that makes him second loser!

plowboy wrote:

Can we at least agree that if something happens to the Hunter Bros...then Deegan is the best of the rest?  And for the record, I'm a...

Can we at least agree that if something happens to the Hunter Bros...then Deegan is the best of the rest?  And for the record, I'm a Lawrence cum chuggler...until Tony gets here.🙃

Last2Stroke wrote:

According to @MOTO13 , that makes him second loser!

MOTO13 wrote:

At the moment. 

Last2Stroke wrote:

According to @MOTO13 , that makes him second loser!

MOTO13 wrote:

At the moment. 

Last2Stroke wrote:

Would he be fourth loser if Tomac was healthy, and Sexton was healthy and also overcame his daemons?

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance.  I...

While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance.  I know the handful of pathetic kindergartners here are completely hopeless to discuss anything objectively, but let's see if some of you others who have the potential to be stand up guys can let the hate go for a minute and focus on the actual data.  In short, the truth is that Deegan has made massive strides since Thunder Valley and he actually matched Jett's pace at High Point moto 2, while in traffic.  While you guys are all focused on the exaggerating the end result, the teams and riders are breaking down the track into sections to study where they are best/worst and why.

@Mavetism - Deegan said Jett can't use his ankle as an excuse anymore because he knew he had finally just matched Jett's pace.  I say matched, but Deegan actually beat Jett's pace in Moto2.  Can you understand why a rookie who just matched the best guy in the world, who supposedly should be gapping him by 30 seconds, had a reason to be happy and talk smack?  I'm not saying you have to agree with the smack talk, but hopefully you can understand where that came from.  Also, I see you and several others have mentioned that many here have claimed Deegan was going undefeated, or even going to beat Jett often.  Like The Moth asked, who is it that said this and where?  Please provide links and sources because other than a couple extreme members like Super_Fan_38, all I remember seeing is people saying Deegan should be able to run Jett's pace at times, and he has clearly done that.

@CPR - You say Deegan is 3rd best only after Tomac's collision and Chase tucking the front, but isn't staying on two wheels part of the challenge to be one of the best riders in the world?  It's okay for you guys to claim weak field for Deegan, but it's not okay when people talk about how weak the field was in Jett's rookie year?  Go talk to Marchbanks and ask him how easy Jett's rookie year was compared to this year.  Complete Night and Day difference.  Also, Prado's DNF had nothing to do with Deegan smoking him at High Point Moto 2.  I'll be honest I thought Prado was going to hold him up and frustrate him, but Deegan got by him fairly quickly and yarded him.

@TropicPilot - You said he's still back 20+ seconds in every moto and Prado/Lawrence would need to f*ck up?  Did you watch High Point Moto 2?  Do you know Deegan bested Jett's pace? Agreed he'll stick out his tongue and do his antics if he wins, but I'm talking strictly about racing performance here.  And regarding the cheating at  Thunder Valley.  Are you aware he beat both Lawrences in 1/3rd of the other sectors and Deegan gained .5 seconds on Jett in Sector 3 on a lap or two when he didn't take the cheater line?  And that he did not cheat at High Point and went something like 51% win over Jett instead of 33% win at Thunder Valley?

As for a couple other claims and excuses we see around here very often:

1. Jett was cruising.
   Wrong, Jett does not cruise for 2nd place, to lose a moto and an overall.  Jett does not cruise to let Deegan reel him in and beat his lap times.  If you say Jett is cruising you are actually insulting him, by saying he doesn't have the talent to cruise without almost crashing. The truth is Jett was a bit off, and he was going as fast as he possibly could without wadding himself, which almost happened twice in that moto.  You did not see them on the broadcast.  Also, Jett has had several other sketchy moments this year, so if he's almost going down while 'cruising' that's not a good look for him.
2. Jett has more in the tank and speeds up when he needs to.
   I agree.  However, doesn't every rider have more in the tank until they crash??  Of course everyone can go faster, until they go down.  And so being pushed into that sketchy zone becomes more of risk. 

For anyone who is capable of reading a 1.5 page write up with all the data, take a look and you will see how much Deegan has improved.  The most impressive stat is that Deegan flipped a sector or two on Hunter, the race winner.  Hunter did not all of a sudden "cruise" or slow down in one sector of the track in Moto2 with his brother chasing him.  That was Deegan figuring it out: 
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/dumbgeon/deegan-reality-vs-vital-narrative

As a fan of the Lawrences many of you obnoxious fans are not doing them any favors by propping them up into invincible God-Like status.  They don't appreciate this type of fandom because it brings toxic energy their way and it turns people against them. You are essentially doing exactly what Deegan does to himself, but the Lawrences didn't invite any of it (maybe Jett a little bit).  They know they are human and are aware you guys are just building a pressure cooker that will eventually burst, whenever the universe decides so. 

All the exaggerated talk about how far off Haiden is.  But if Haiden does beat Jett on an off day, does that mean Jett sucks too now because he lost to someone who was never supposed to beat him?  

I don't follow social media but I do see clips that friends send to me.  So I must have missed it, but where did Haiden say he was going to go out and beat Jett?  I recall him saying Jett should be able to beat him, but I missed all the smack talk that everyone seems to reference here, so where is it?   Was it the Tee-Shirt.  Do any of you actually know the story behind the shirt?  I'm not supporting his decision to wear it, but if you know the story behind it you might understand it a little better.  

The Wolf Man wrote:

Donger is not as good as Jett Lawrence and never will be. It's as clear as day to anyone that has followed the sport for longer...

Donger is not as good as Jett Lawrence and never will be. It's as clear as day to anyone that has followed the sport for longer than the time Donger has been involved. 

As for this chatter from the media that Donger will get a moto win this season, ah, no. I'm looking at you DB. 

yardsailor wrote:

Herr Lich, I was waiting for you to comment.  I will bet you that Deegs does win a moto this year.  How about a $100 AUD...

Herr Lich, I was waiting for you to comment.  

I will bet you that Deegs does win a moto this year.  How about a $100 AUD wager?

The Wolf Man wrote:

Donger is not as good as Jett Lawrence and never will be. It's as clear as day to anyone that has followed the sport for longer...

Donger is not as good as Jett Lawrence and never will be. It's as clear as day to anyone that has followed the sport for longer than the time Donger has been involved. 

As for this chatter from the media that Donger will get a moto win this season, ah, no. I'm looking at you DB. 

yardsailor wrote:

Herr Lich, I was waiting for you to comment.  I will bet you that Deegs does win a moto this year.  How about a $100 AUD...

Herr Lich, I was waiting for you to comment.  

I will bet you that Deegs does win a moto this year.  How about a $100 AUD wager?

Spike33 wrote:

Herr Lich/wolf man will have to get approval from his wife’s boyfriend to bet that kind of money. 

Goat of Lurkers wrote:

I can't be the only one who scrolls these online gathering places and thinks "im glad these people don't really show up at the races, and...

I can't be the only one who scrolls these online gathering places and thinks "im glad these people don't really show up at the races, and God bless whatever prevents them from doing do." 

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance.  I...

While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance.  I know the handful of pathetic kindergartners here are completely hopeless to discuss anything objectively, but let's see if some of you others who have the potential to be stand up guys can let the hate go for a minute and focus on the actual data.  In short, the truth is that Deegan has made massive strides since Thunder Valley and he actually matched Jett's pace at High Point moto 2, while in traffic.  While you guys are all focused on the exaggerating the end result, the teams and riders are breaking down the track into sections to study where they are best/worst and why.

@Mavetism - Deegan said Jett can't use his ankle as an excuse anymore because he knew he had finally just matched Jett's pace.  I say matched, but Deegan actually beat Jett's pace in Moto2.  Can you understand why a rookie who just matched the best guy in the world, who supposedly should be gapping him by 30 seconds, had a reason to be happy and talk smack?  I'm not saying you have to agree with the smack talk, but hopefully you can understand where that came from.  Also, I see you and several others have mentioned that many here have claimed Deegan was going undefeated, or even going to beat Jett often.  Like The Moth asked, who is it that said this and where?  Please provide links and sources because other than a couple extreme members like Super_Fan_38, all I remember seeing is people saying Deegan should be able to run Jett's pace at times, and he has clearly done that.

@CPR - You say Deegan is 3rd best only after Tomac's collision and Chase tucking the front, but isn't staying on two wheels part of the challenge to be one of the best riders in the world?  It's okay for you guys to claim weak field for Deegan, but it's not okay when people talk about how weak the field was in Jett's rookie year?  Go talk to Marchbanks and ask him how easy Jett's rookie year was compared to this year.  Complete Night and Day difference.  Also, Prado's DNF had nothing to do with Deegan smoking him at High Point Moto 2.  I'll be honest I thought Prado was going to hold him up and frustrate him, but Deegan got by him fairly quickly and yarded him.

@TropicPilot - You said he's still back 20+ seconds in every moto and Prado/Lawrence would need to f*ck up?  Did you watch High Point Moto 2?  Do you know Deegan bested Jett's pace? Agreed he'll stick out his tongue and do his antics if he wins, but I'm talking strictly about racing performance here.  And regarding the cheating at  Thunder Valley.  Are you aware he beat both Lawrences in 1/3rd of the other sectors and Deegan gained .5 seconds on Jett in Sector 3 on a lap or two when he didn't take the cheater line?  And that he did not cheat at High Point and went something like 51% win over Jett instead of 33% win at Thunder Valley?

As for a couple other claims and excuses we see around here very often:

1. Jett was cruising.
   Wrong, Jett does not cruise for 2nd place, to lose a moto and an overall.  Jett does not cruise to let Deegan reel him in and beat his lap times.  If you say Jett is cruising you are actually insulting him, by saying he doesn't have the talent to cruise without almost crashing. The truth is Jett was a bit off, and he was going as fast as he possibly could without wadding himself, which almost happened twice in that moto.  You did not see them on the broadcast.  Also, Jett has had several other sketchy moments this year, so if he's almost going down while 'cruising' that's not a good look for him.
2. Jett has more in the tank and speeds up when he needs to.
   I agree.  However, doesn't every rider have more in the tank until they crash??  Of course everyone can go faster, until they go down.  And so being pushed into that sketchy zone becomes more of risk. 

For anyone who is capable of reading a 1.5 page write up with all the data, take a look and you will see how much Deegan has improved.  The most impressive stat is that Deegan flipped a sector or two on Hunter, the race winner.  Hunter did not all of a sudden "cruise" or slow down in one sector of the track in Moto2 with his brother chasing him.  That was Deegan figuring it out: 
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/dumbgeon/deegan-reality-vs-vital-narrative

As a fan of the Lawrences many of you obnoxious fans are not doing them any favors by propping them up into invincible God-Like status.  They don't appreciate this type of fandom because it brings toxic energy their way and it turns people against them. You are essentially doing exactly what Deegan does to himself, but the Lawrences didn't invite any of it (maybe Jett a little bit).  They know they are human and are aware you guys are just building a pressure cooker that will eventually burst, whenever the universe decides so. 

All the exaggerated talk about how far off Haiden is.  But if Haiden does beat Jett on an off day, does that mean Jett sucks too now because he lost to someone who was never supposed to beat him?  

I don't follow social media but I do see clips that friends send to me.  So I must have missed it, but where did Haiden say he was going to go out and beat Jett?  I recall him saying Jett should be able to beat him, but I missed all the smack talk that everyone seems to reference here, so where is it?   Was it the Tee-Shirt.  Do any of you actually know the story behind the shirt?  I'm not supporting his decision to wear it, but if you know the story behind it you might understand it a little better.  

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off...

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off the pace Haiden is and Jett goes down while trying to pass him, after being passed by Haiden.  Maybe some of you guys should simmer down a bit now and just enjoy the show.

 

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off...

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off the pace Haiden is and Jett goes down while trying to pass him, after being passed by Haiden.  Maybe some of you guys should simmer down a bit now and just enjoy the show.

 

Jettsonator wrote:

Someone needs to rub one out and chill maybe?

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off...

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off the pace Haiden is and Jett goes down while trying to pass him, after being passed by Haiden.  Maybe some of you guys should simmer down a bit now and just enjoy the show.

 

Jettsonator wrote:

Someone needs to rub one out and chill maybe?

scott_nz wrote:

i thought Deeg's would get a moto win if not an overall  this season, but i am now thinking it might not happen,  today was as...

i thought Deeg's would get a moto win if not an overall  this season, but i am now thinking it might not happen,  today was as good as a shot as you are going to get, starting in front of both Lawerence bros, and Jett having issues,  he still finished 20 dec down on Hunter, 

maybe washougal where he has been good in the past will be where it happens, 

8tensolutions wrote:

Hunter passed him and dropped him like a bad habit putting 20 seconds into him.  No shame in that, but if he couldn't get it done...

Hunter passed him and dropped him like a bad habit putting 20 seconds into him.  No shame in that, but if he couldn't get it done today there won't be many better opportunities this season

8tensolutions wrote:

Hunter passed him and dropped him like a bad habit putting 20 seconds into him.  No shame in that, but if he couldn't get it done...

Hunter passed him and dropped him like a bad habit putting 20 seconds into him.  No shame in that, but if he couldn't get it done today there won't be many better opportunities this season

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

So when Deegan gets passed or crashes, it's because he does't have the talent.  But when Jett gets passed and dropped, or crashes, it doesn't count?

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

So when Deegan gets passed or crashes, it's because he does't have the talent.  But when Jett gets passed and dropped, or crashes, it doesn't count?

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance.  I...

While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance.  I know the handful of pathetic kindergartners here are completely hopeless to discuss anything objectively, but let's see if some of you others who have the potential to be stand up guys can let the hate go for a minute and focus on the actual data.  In short, the truth is that Deegan has made massive strides since Thunder Valley and he actually matched Jett's pace at High Point moto 2, while in traffic.  While you guys are all focused on the exaggerating the end result, the teams and riders are breaking down the track into sections to study where they are best/worst and why.

@Mavetism - Deegan said Jett can't use his ankle as an excuse anymore because he knew he had finally just matched Jett's pace.  I say matched, but Deegan actually beat Jett's pace in Moto2.  Can you understand why a rookie who just matched the best guy in the world, who supposedly should be gapping him by 30 seconds, had a reason to be happy and talk smack?  I'm not saying you have to agree with the smack talk, but hopefully you can understand where that came from.  Also, I see you and several others have mentioned that many here have claimed Deegan was going undefeated, or even going to beat Jett often.  Like The Moth asked, who is it that said this and where?  Please provide links and sources because other than a couple extreme members like Super_Fan_38, all I remember seeing is people saying Deegan should be able to run Jett's pace at times, and he has clearly done that.

@CPR - You say Deegan is 3rd best only after Tomac's collision and Chase tucking the front, but isn't staying on two wheels part of the challenge to be one of the best riders in the world?  It's okay for you guys to claim weak field for Deegan, but it's not okay when people talk about how weak the field was in Jett's rookie year?  Go talk to Marchbanks and ask him how easy Jett's rookie year was compared to this year.  Complete Night and Day difference.  Also, Prado's DNF had nothing to do with Deegan smoking him at High Point Moto 2.  I'll be honest I thought Prado was going to hold him up and frustrate him, but Deegan got by him fairly quickly and yarded him.

@TropicPilot - You said he's still back 20+ seconds in every moto and Prado/Lawrence would need to f*ck up?  Did you watch High Point Moto 2?  Do you know Deegan bested Jett's pace? Agreed he'll stick out his tongue and do his antics if he wins, but I'm talking strictly about racing performance here.  And regarding the cheating at  Thunder Valley.  Are you aware he beat both Lawrences in 1/3rd of the other sectors and Deegan gained .5 seconds on Jett in Sector 3 on a lap or two when he didn't take the cheater line?  And that he did not cheat at High Point and went something like 51% win over Jett instead of 33% win at Thunder Valley?

As for a couple other claims and excuses we see around here very often:

1. Jett was cruising.
   Wrong, Jett does not cruise for 2nd place, to lose a moto and an overall.  Jett does not cruise to let Deegan reel him in and beat his lap times.  If you say Jett is cruising you are actually insulting him, by saying he doesn't have the talent to cruise without almost crashing. The truth is Jett was a bit off, and he was going as fast as he possibly could without wadding himself, which almost happened twice in that moto.  You did not see them on the broadcast.  Also, Jett has had several other sketchy moments this year, so if he's almost going down while 'cruising' that's not a good look for him.
2. Jett has more in the tank and speeds up when he needs to.
   I agree.  However, doesn't every rider have more in the tank until they crash??  Of course everyone can go faster, until they go down.  And so being pushed into that sketchy zone becomes more of risk. 

For anyone who is capable of reading a 1.5 page write up with all the data, take a look and you will see how much Deegan has improved.  The most impressive stat is that Deegan flipped a sector or two on Hunter, the race winner.  Hunter did not all of a sudden "cruise" or slow down in one sector of the track in Moto2 with his brother chasing him.  That was Deegan figuring it out: 
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/dumbgeon/deegan-reality-vs-vital-narrative

As a fan of the Lawrences many of you obnoxious fans are not doing them any favors by propping them up into invincible God-Like status.  They don't appreciate this type of fandom because it brings toxic energy their way and it turns people against them. You are essentially doing exactly what Deegan does to himself, but the Lawrences didn't invite any of it (maybe Jett a little bit).  They know they are human and are aware you guys are just building a pressure cooker that will eventually burst, whenever the universe decides so. 

All the exaggerated talk about how far off Haiden is.  But if Haiden does beat Jett on an off day, does that mean Jett sucks too now because he lost to someone who was never supposed to beat him?  

I don't follow social media but I do see clips that friends send to me.  So I must have missed it, but where did Haiden say he was going to go out and beat Jett?  I recall him saying Jett should be able to beat him, but I missed all the smack talk that everyone seems to reference here, so where is it?   Was it the Tee-Shirt.  Do any of you actually know the story behind the shirt?  I'm not supporting his decision to wear it, but if you know the story behind it you might understand it a little better.  

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off...

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off the pace Haiden is and Jett goes down while trying to pass him, after being passed by Haiden.  Maybe some of you guys should simmer down a bit now and just enjoy the show.

 

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance.  I...

While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance.  I know the handful of pathetic kindergartners here are completely hopeless to discuss anything objectively, but let's see if some of you others who have the potential to be stand up guys can let the hate go for a minute and focus on the actual data.  In short, the truth is that Deegan has made massive strides since Thunder Valley and he actually matched Jett's pace at High Point moto 2, while in traffic.  While you guys are all focused on the exaggerating the end result, the teams and riders are breaking down the track into sections to study where they are best/worst and why.

@Mavetism - Deegan said Jett can't use his ankle as an excuse anymore because he knew he had finally just matched Jett's pace.  I say matched, but Deegan actually beat Jett's pace in Moto2.  Can you understand why a rookie who just matched the best guy in the world, who supposedly should be gapping him by 30 seconds, had a reason to be happy and talk smack?  I'm not saying you have to agree with the smack talk, but hopefully you can understand where that came from.  Also, I see you and several others have mentioned that many here have claimed Deegan was going undefeated, or even going to beat Jett often.  Like The Moth asked, who is it that said this and where?  Please provide links and sources because other than a couple extreme members like Super_Fan_38, all I remember seeing is people saying Deegan should be able to run Jett's pace at times, and he has clearly done that.

@CPR - You say Deegan is 3rd best only after Tomac's collision and Chase tucking the front, but isn't staying on two wheels part of the challenge to be one of the best riders in the world?  It's okay for you guys to claim weak field for Deegan, but it's not okay when people talk about how weak the field was in Jett's rookie year?  Go talk to Marchbanks and ask him how easy Jett's rookie year was compared to this year.  Complete Night and Day difference.  Also, Prado's DNF had nothing to do with Deegan smoking him at High Point Moto 2.  I'll be honest I thought Prado was going to hold him up and frustrate him, but Deegan got by him fairly quickly and yarded him.

@TropicPilot - You said he's still back 20+ seconds in every moto and Prado/Lawrence would need to f*ck up?  Did you watch High Point Moto 2?  Do you know Deegan bested Jett's pace? Agreed he'll stick out his tongue and do his antics if he wins, but I'm talking strictly about racing performance here.  And regarding the cheating at  Thunder Valley.  Are you aware he beat both Lawrences in 1/3rd of the other sectors and Deegan gained .5 seconds on Jett in Sector 3 on a lap or two when he didn't take the cheater line?  And that he did not cheat at High Point and went something like 51% win over Jett instead of 33% win at Thunder Valley?

As for a couple other claims and excuses we see around here very often:

1. Jett was cruising.
   Wrong, Jett does not cruise for 2nd place, to lose a moto and an overall.  Jett does not cruise to let Deegan reel him in and beat his lap times.  If you say Jett is cruising you are actually insulting him, by saying he doesn't have the talent to cruise without almost crashing. The truth is Jett was a bit off, and he was going as fast as he possibly could without wadding himself, which almost happened twice in that moto.  You did not see them on the broadcast.  Also, Jett has had several other sketchy moments this year, so if he's almost going down while 'cruising' that's not a good look for him.
2. Jett has more in the tank and speeds up when he needs to.
   I agree.  However, doesn't every rider have more in the tank until they crash??  Of course everyone can go faster, until they go down.  And so being pushed into that sketchy zone becomes more of risk. 

For anyone who is capable of reading a 1.5 page write up with all the data, take a look and you will see how much Deegan has improved.  The most impressive stat is that Deegan flipped a sector or two on Hunter, the race winner.  Hunter did not all of a sudden "cruise" or slow down in one sector of the track in Moto2 with his brother chasing him.  That was Deegan figuring it out: 
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/dumbgeon/deegan-reality-vs-vital-narrative

As a fan of the Lawrences many of you obnoxious fans are not doing them any favors by propping them up into invincible God-Like status.  They don't appreciate this type of fandom because it brings toxic energy their way and it turns people against them. You are essentially doing exactly what Deegan does to himself, but the Lawrences didn't invite any of it (maybe Jett a little bit).  They know they are human and are aware you guys are just building a pressure cooker that will eventually burst, whenever the universe decides so. 

All the exaggerated talk about how far off Haiden is.  But if Haiden does beat Jett on an off day, does that mean Jett sucks too now because he lost to someone who was never supposed to beat him?  

I don't follow social media but I do see clips that friends send to me.  So I must have missed it, but where did Haiden say he was going to go out and beat Jett?  I recall him saying Jett should be able to beat him, but I missed all the smack talk that everyone seems to reference here, so where is it?   Was it the Tee-Shirt.  Do any of you actually know the story behind the shirt?  I'm not supporting his decision to wear it, but if you know the story behind it you might understand it a little better.  

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off...

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off the pace Haiden is and Jett goes down while trying to pass him, after being passed by Haiden.  Maybe some of you guys should simmer down a bit now and just enjoy the show.

 

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance.  I...

While scanning this thread it looks like there's several guys here who are letting their hate for Deegan's character cloud their vision of his performance.  I know the handful of pathetic kindergartners here are completely hopeless to discuss anything objectively, but let's see if some of you others who have the potential to be stand up guys can let the hate go for a minute and focus on the actual data.  In short, the truth is that Deegan has made massive strides since Thunder Valley and he actually matched Jett's pace at High Point moto 2, while in traffic.  While you guys are all focused on the exaggerating the end result, the teams and riders are breaking down the track into sections to study where they are best/worst and why.

@Mavetism - Deegan said Jett can't use his ankle as an excuse anymore because he knew he had finally just matched Jett's pace.  I say matched, but Deegan actually beat Jett's pace in Moto2.  Can you understand why a rookie who just matched the best guy in the world, who supposedly should be gapping him by 30 seconds, had a reason to be happy and talk smack?  I'm not saying you have to agree with the smack talk, but hopefully you can understand where that came from.  Also, I see you and several others have mentioned that many here have claimed Deegan was going undefeated, or even going to beat Jett often.  Like The Moth asked, who is it that said this and where?  Please provide links and sources because other than a couple extreme members like Super_Fan_38, all I remember seeing is people saying Deegan should be able to run Jett's pace at times, and he has clearly done that.

@CPR - You say Deegan is 3rd best only after Tomac's collision and Chase tucking the front, but isn't staying on two wheels part of the challenge to be one of the best riders in the world?  It's okay for you guys to claim weak field for Deegan, but it's not okay when people talk about how weak the field was in Jett's rookie year?  Go talk to Marchbanks and ask him how easy Jett's rookie year was compared to this year.  Complete Night and Day difference.  Also, Prado's DNF had nothing to do with Deegan smoking him at High Point Moto 2.  I'll be honest I thought Prado was going to hold him up and frustrate him, but Deegan got by him fairly quickly and yarded him.

@TropicPilot - You said he's still back 20+ seconds in every moto and Prado/Lawrence would need to f*ck up?  Did you watch High Point Moto 2?  Do you know Deegan bested Jett's pace? Agreed he'll stick out his tongue and do his antics if he wins, but I'm talking strictly about racing performance here.  And regarding the cheating at  Thunder Valley.  Are you aware he beat both Lawrences in 1/3rd of the other sectors and Deegan gained .5 seconds on Jett in Sector 3 on a lap or two when he didn't take the cheater line?  And that he did not cheat at High Point and went something like 51% win over Jett instead of 33% win at Thunder Valley?

As for a couple other claims and excuses we see around here very often:

1. Jett was cruising.
   Wrong, Jett does not cruise for 2nd place, to lose a moto and an overall.  Jett does not cruise to let Deegan reel him in and beat his lap times.  If you say Jett is cruising you are actually insulting him, by saying he doesn't have the talent to cruise without almost crashing. The truth is Jett was a bit off, and he was going as fast as he possibly could without wadding himself, which almost happened twice in that moto.  You did not see them on the broadcast.  Also, Jett has had several other sketchy moments this year, so if he's almost going down while 'cruising' that's not a good look for him.
2. Jett has more in the tank and speeds up when he needs to.
   I agree.  However, doesn't every rider have more in the tank until they crash??  Of course everyone can go faster, until they go down.  And so being pushed into that sketchy zone becomes more of risk. 

For anyone who is capable of reading a 1.5 page write up with all the data, take a look and you will see how much Deegan has improved.  The most impressive stat is that Deegan flipped a sector or two on Hunter, the race winner.  Hunter did not all of a sudden "cruise" or slow down in one sector of the track in Moto2 with his brother chasing him.  That was Deegan figuring it out: 
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/dumbgeon/deegan-reality-vs-vital-narrative

As a fan of the Lawrences many of you obnoxious fans are not doing them any favors by propping them up into invincible God-Like status.  They don't appreciate this type of fandom because it brings toxic energy their way and it turns people against them. You are essentially doing exactly what Deegan does to himself, but the Lawrences didn't invite any of it (maybe Jett a little bit).  They know they are human and are aware you guys are just building a pressure cooker that will eventually burst, whenever the universe decides so. 

All the exaggerated talk about how far off Haiden is.  But if Haiden does beat Jett on an off day, does that mean Jett sucks too now because he lost to someone who was never supposed to beat him?  

I don't follow social media but I do see clips that friends send to me.  So I must have missed it, but where did Haiden say he was going to go out and beat Jett?  I recall him saying Jett should be able to beat him, but I missed all the smack talk that everyone seems to reference here, so where is it?   Was it the Tee-Shirt.  Do any of you actually know the story behind the shirt?  I'm not supporting his decision to wear it, but if you know the story behind it you might understand it a little better.  

Black Diesel Bomber wrote:

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off...

Well it happened sooner than I expected.  All the insufferable clowns manifested this today with all the "God-Like" claims.  All this talk about how far off the pace Haiden is and Jett goes down while trying to pass him, after being passed by Haiden.  Maybe some of you guys should simmer down a bit now and just enjoy the show.

 

aeffertz wrote:

What was the podium? And did Deegan win a moto this weekend? Isn’t that what this thread is about?

yardsailor wrote:

Hey Einstein. Thread was if Deegs would win a moto the next 3 races.  
 

8tensolutions wrote:

Hunter passed him and dropped him like a bad habit putting 20 seconds into him.  No shame in that, but if he couldn't get it done...

Hunter passed him and dropped him like a bad habit putting 20 seconds into him.  No shame in that, but if he couldn't get it done today there won't be many better opportunities this season