HUGE Penalty List - High Point (Including Jett Lawrence)

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6/22/2026 6:22am
jambalaya wrote:

Deegan clearly tried to interfere with Jett's fast lap in practice 1. That shouldn't be okay

He wasn't trying to interfere.  Deegan was just cleaning the mud out of his tire. Normally the tire works better without mud in the grooves.  

damn boy you are so dumb.......you just digging your hole a lot deeper by the minute.......

if you are going to awnser Jett's smart take.....be smart !!!!!!  make up your own smart take.....or just stfu.....

copying Jett's perfect take on that situation to put it against him, specially in other situation, only show how dumb you deegan cheerleaders, really are !!!!!!!

 

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6/22/2026 6:30am
jambalaya wrote:

Deegan clearly tried to interfere with Jett's fast lap in practice 1. That shouldn't be okay

He wasn't trying to interfere.  Deegan was just cleaning the mud out of his tire. Normally the tire works better without mud in the grooves.  

rileymx wrote:
damn boy you are so dumb.......you just digging your hole a lot deeper by the minute.......if you are going to awnser Jett's smart take.....be smart...

damn boy you are so dumb.......you just digging your hole a lot deeper by the minute.......

if you are going to awnser Jett's smart take.....be smart !!!!!!  make up your own smart take.....or just stfu.....

copying Jett's perfect take on that situation to put it against him, specially in other situation, only show how dumb you deegan cheerleaders, really are !!!!!!!

 

Riley I don't have a dog in the fight, but this superfan38 guy completely  owns the emotional center of your brain.  

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6/22/2026 9:36am
ando wrote:
I have no problems with the penalties but if you have that many red cross/red light jumping violations there is something systemic going on and it...

I have no problems with the penalties but if you have that many red cross/red light jumping violations there is something systemic going on and it should be looked at internally to understand why.

That's what I was thinking.

Either there was a visibility problem or an attitude problem.

One should be punishable. The other, not so much.

MPJC wrote:
Remember the incidents in supercross when several 450 riders jumped on a Red Cross flag and in the 250 main event Jo, who was leading, rolled...

Remember the incidents in supercross when several 450 riders jumped on a Red Cross flag and in the 250 main event Jo, who was leading, rolled a jump with red lights and was passed by riders who ignored the lights and jumped anyway? If it’s an attitude problem, they fostered it with the “leader light” and related bullshit that they came up with to justify their decision to not penalize anyone. 

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/moto-related/shimodas-red-light

Lemmy ain’t wrong.

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There needs to be professional flaggers for the whole series… whatever the cost, it needs to happen. Its super egregious for this many penalties to happen, let alone on red crosses. 

But a tshirt and hotdog is supposed to be acceptable. And then randomize the people every weekend….. people like to shit on safety, until catastrophic damage occurs… playing with fire imo

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6/22/2026 10:28am
jambalaya wrote:

Deegan clearly tried to interfere with Jett's fast lap in practice 1. That shouldn't be okay

He wasn't trying to interfere.  Deegan was just cleaning the mud out of his tire. Normally the tire works better without mud in the grooves.  

rileymx wrote:
damn boy you are so dumb.......you just digging your hole a lot deeper by the minute.......if you are going to awnser Jett's smart take.....be smart...

damn boy you are so dumb.......you just digging your hole a lot deeper by the minute.......

if you are going to awnser Jett's smart take.....be smart !!!!!!  make up your own smart take.....or just stfu.....

copying Jett's perfect take on that situation to put it against him, specially in other situation, only show how dumb you deegan cheerleaders, really are !!!!!!!

 

This definitely a kettle pot situation…

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6/22/2026 10:52am

With such an absurd amount of penalties, it makes me think…it’s kind of like when a whole bunch of students fail a subject, at what point do you blame the institution?

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great job on the AMA, those guys are killing it. 

Not sure if this was a joke but it caused me to LOL. 

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6/22/2026 12:15pm

I am no huge Jett fan, but giving someone the finger isn't a big deal...especially since it was during qualys. Complete BS on the AMA for this. But, the AMA is a sh*thole organization. They'd fk up a one car funeral. 

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6/22/2026 12:35pm
There needs to be professional flaggers for the whole series… whatever the cost, it needs to happen. Its super egregious for this many penalties to happen...

There needs to be professional flaggers for the whole series… whatever the cost, it needs to happen. Its super egregious for this many penalties to happen, let alone on red crosses. 

But a tshirt and hotdog is supposed to be acceptable. And then randomize the people every weekend….. people like to shit on safety, until catastrophic damage occurs… playing with fire imo

You do know that the AMA officials are the ones who activate the red lights, don't you? And the wheels on the ground flagger immediately before the lights doesn't show the flag until and unless their AMA spotter directs them to do so, or the lights are turned on.....

This isn't a flagging issue...it's a rider awareness issue. The flags/lights were shown and on at the proper times, and visible to the riders. 

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When are they going to start handing out penalties for guys rolling around in qualifing and  waiting for someone who is on a heater to purposely get in their way to screw up their lap?   

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ML512 wrote:
Big list this week...Race Direction (RD) Review – Round 21 – Mt. Morris, PA (High Point) – Jun 20, 2026WMX Reviews Resulting in Penalties...

Big list this week...

Race Direction (RD) Review – Round 21 – Mt. Morris, PA (High Point) – Jun 20, 2026

WMX Reviews Resulting in Penalties:
Friday WMX:

  • WMX Qualification 2 – Race Direction reviewed #10 (McCutcheon) for jumping on red cross light in section 33.  Resulting in loss of fast lap.
  • WMX Qualification 2 – Race Direction reviewed #76 (Pettus) for jumping on red cross light in section 33.  Resulting in loss of fast lap.

Reviews Resulting in Penalties:

  • 250 Group A Qualifying 1- Race direction reviewed rider #199 (Denno) for jumping on red cross light in section 16.  Resulting in loss of fast lap.
  • 250 Group A Qualifying 1- Race direction reviewed rider #92 (Temmerman) for jumping on red cross light in section 16.  Resulting in loss of fast lap.
  • 250 Group A Qualifying 1- Race direction reviewed rider #801 (Johnson) for jumping on red cross light in section 16.  Resulting in loss of fast lap.
  • 250 Group A Qualifying 1- Race direction reviewed rider #59 (Cochran) for jumping on red cross light in section 16.  Resulting in loss of fast lap.
  • 250 Group A Qualifying 1- Race direction reviewed rider #23 (Mosiman) for jumping on red cross light in section 16.  Resulting in loss of fast lap.
  • 250 Group A Qualifying 1- Race direction reviewed rider #226 (Wood) for jumping on red cross light in section 16.  Resulting in loss of fast lap.
  • 250 Group A Qualifying 1- Race direction reviewed rider #270 (Wey) for jumping on red cross light in section 16.  Resulting in loss of fast lap.
  • 250 Group A Qualifying 1- Race direction reviewed rider #800 (Masciangelo) for jumping on red cross light in section 16.  Resulting in loss of fast lap.
  • 450 Group A Qualifying 2- Race Direction reviewed an incident involving rider #1 (Lawrence) and rider #38 (Deegan) in section 11.  After review, it was determined that rider #1 (Lawrence) violated the code of conduct by using an obscene hand gesture during the competition. Rider #1 (Lawrence) was assessed one rider license point and a fine.
  • 450 LCQ- Race direction reviewed rider #162 (Smith) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 positions.
  • 450 LCQ- Race direction reviewed rider #366 (Cremaldi) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 positions.
  • 450 LCQ- Race direction reviewed rider #808 (Gareis) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 positions.
  • 450 LCQ- Race direction reviewed rider #831 (Glenn) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 positions.
  • 450 LCQ- Race direction reviewed rider #365 (Wingardner) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 positions.
  • 450 LCQ- Race direction reviewed rider #721 (Murphy) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 positions.
  • 450 LCQ- Race direction reviewed rider #384 (Penwell) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 positions.
  • 450 LCQ- Race direction reviewed rider #482 (Justice) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 positions.
  • 450 LCQ- Race direction reviewed rider #230 (Walborn) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 positions.
  • 450 Moto #1- Race direction reviewed rider #483 (Carroll) for jumping on red cross light/flag in section 8.  Resulting in 2 purse positions and 5 championship points.
  • 450 Moto #1Race direction reviewed rider #511 (Kessler) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points. 
  • 450 Moto #1- Race direction reviewed rider #89 (Simonson) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points. 
  • 450 Moto #1- Race direction reviewed rider #52 (Oldenburg) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points. 
  • 450 Moto #1- Race direction reviewed rider #747 (Thomas) for jumping on red cross light in section 8. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points. 
  • 450 Moto #1- Race direction reviewed rider #259 (Bortolin) for jumping on red cross light in section 32. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points. 
  • 450 Moto #1Race direction reviewed rider #210 (Hammond) for jumping on red cross light in section 32. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points. 
  • 450 Moto #1- Race direction reviewed rider #483 (Carroll) for jumping on red cross light in section 32. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points. 
  • 450 Moto #1- Race direction reviewed rider #880 (Corcoran) for jumping on red cross light in section 32. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points. 
  • 250 Moto 2- Race direction reviewed rider #71 (Mumford) for riding outside the markers.  Resulting in one license point.
  • 250 Moto 2- Race direction reviewed rider #443 (Timboe) for jumping on red cross/ light in section 14. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points.
  • 250 Moto 2- Race direction reviewed rider #900 (Rowley) for jumping on red cross/ light in section 14. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points.
  • 250 Moto 2- Race direction reviewed rider #23 (Mosiman) for jumping on red cross/ light in section 14. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points.
  • 250 Moto 2- Race direction reviewed rider #752 (Fappani) for jumping on red cross/ light in section 14. Resulting in loss of 2 purse positions and 5 championship points.

Reviews Resulting in No Penalty:

  • WMX Moto 1- Race direction reviewed rider #10 (McCutcheon) for jumping off track in section 4.  No penalty assessed.
  • 250 Moto 2- Race direction reviewed rider #35 (Adams) for riding outside the markers.  No penalty assessed.
  • 250 Moto 2- Race direction reviewed rider #34 (DiFrancesco) for jumping on red cross/ light in section 14.  No penalty assessed.
  • 250 Moto 2- Race direction reviewed rider #801 (Johnson) for jumping on red cross/ light in section 14. No penalty assessed.
  • 450 Moto 2-  Race Direction reviewed rider #38 (Deegan) for riding outside the markers in section 3. No penalty was assessed.
  • 450 Moto 2-  Race Direction reviewed rider #96 (Lawrence) for riding outside the markers in section 14. No penalty was assessed.

Where is this list posted/ AMA Pro racing?

6/22/2026 2:35pm

Clearly, if you have 1 or 2 riders ignore/not see the red light you can attribute it to the riders. But at some point when you have many riders that run afoul of your intentions (jumping on a red light) you have to question if the signal (red light) is too easy to miss causing the problem. So what's the penalty for the organizer to continue using a bad system or bad placement? At some point you have to question the quality of the teacher instead of just saying the students failed. Maybe improve the system?

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Rab wrote:

great job on the AMA, those guys are killing it. 

YZed250 wrote:

Not sure if this was a joke but it caused me to LOL. 

It was 100% a joke haha 

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JB 19 wrote:
When are they going to start handing out penalties for guys rolling around in qualifing and  waiting for someone who is on a heater to purposely...

When are they going to start handing out penalties for guys rolling around in qualifing and  waiting for someone who is on a heater to purposely get in their way to screw up their lap?   

Or a penalty for going outside of the white markers to get out of the way.

For 30 people to get a penalty for jumping when there was a red light (not flags) where was this light on the track because it’s pretty obvious that it was not in the riders line of sight for it to happen to that many.

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6/22/2026 3:37pm Edited Date/Time 6/22/2026 3:43pm
lumpy790 wrote:
Or a penalty for going outside of the white markers to get out of the way.For 30 people to get a penalty for jumping when there...

Or a penalty for going outside of the white markers to get out of the way.

For 30 people to get a penalty for jumping when there was a red light (not flags) where was this light on the track because it’s pretty obvious that it was not in the riders line of sight for it to happen to that many.

BS. I was there. All those section 16 penalties in 250....That was my section. I was tight up to the banner waving my flag as the riders come out of the corner before the quad. The lights were at the bottom of the take off to the quad. No way they couldn't see me and the lights. The flag was waving and the lights were on. They say it at off-road races all the time....don't follow the butt ahead of you. These guys got bunched up, got tunnel vision and that's it. People can downvote all they want. When they go to a national and work as a wheels on the ground flagger with a spotter, then maybe they should comment

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lumpy790 wrote:
Or a penalty for going outside of the white markers to get out of the way.For 30 people to get a penalty for jumping when there...

Or a penalty for going outside of the white markers to get out of the way.

For 30 people to get a penalty for jumping when there was a red light (not flags) where was this light on the track because it’s pretty obvious that it was not in the riders line of sight for it to happen to that many.

BS. I was there. All those section 16 penalties in 250....That was my section. I was tight up to the banner waving my flag as the...

BS. I was there. All those section 16 penalties in 250....That was my section. I was tight up to the banner waving my flag as the riders come out of the corner before the quad. The lights were at the bottom of the take off to the quad. No way they couldn't see me and the lights. The flag was waving and the lights were on. They say it at off-road races all the time....don't follow the butt ahead of you. These guys got bunched up, got tunnel vision and that's it. People can downvote all they want. When they go to a national and work as a wheels on the ground flagger with a spotter, then maybe they should comment

At Budds Creek I watched the flagger with the red flag up the side of the hill across the track from the mechanics area so no one could see it unless they looked the opposite direction.

Where the flaggers and red light is Must be in a visible area in the direction the riders are looking. 

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6/22/2026 3:52pm
lumpy790 wrote:
At Budds Creek I watched the flagger with the red flag up the side of the hill across the track from the mechanics area so no...

At Budds Creek I watched the flagger with the red flag up the side of the hill across the track from the mechanics area so no one could see it unless they looked the opposite direction.

Where the flaggers and red light is Must be in a visible area in the direction the riders are looking. 

I can't speak as to any section other than 16, where I was flagging. Outside the corner, tight to the banner, flag high. The riders could absolutely see me. The lights are on the approach to the takeoff for the quad, facing the riders, 50+ft from the corner. No way you can miss them. Now please explain how these red light/flag infractions occured at FL different sections. Are we going to say that several sections of the track the riders couldn't see the lights OR the flagger?

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6/22/2026 4:11pm
lumpy790 wrote:
At Budds Creek I watched the flagger with the red flag up the side of the hill across the track from the mechanics area so no...

At Budds Creek I watched the flagger with the red flag up the side of the hill across the track from the mechanics area so no one could see it unless they looked the opposite direction.

Where the flaggers and red light is Must be in a visible area in the direction the riders are looking. 

I can't speak as to any section other than 16, where I was flagging. Outside the corner, tight to the banner, flag high. The riders could...

I can't speak as to any section other than 16, where I was flagging. Outside the corner, tight to the banner, flag high. The riders could absolutely see me. The lights are on the approach to the takeoff for the quad, facing the riders, 50+ft from the corner. No way you can miss them. Now please explain how these red light/flag infractions occured at FL different sections. Are we going to say that several sections of the track the riders couldn't see the lights OR the flagger?

First let me say Thank you for being a flagger it is a tough job withstanding all the heat and sun all day! 

The lights and flags are hard to see when they are off the side of the track and especially when all riders tunnel vision focus is further up the track at the next turn or jump. Red lights coming out of the previous corner or jump might give the racers a better warning of whats ahead of them.

Having More than 1 red light would certainly help.  Maybe they need better multi directional LED lights so it is more visible?

I never liked the ignore the yellow flags concept that the pros are allowed to use and amateurs must slow down using caution.

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Back in supercross the AMA let riders get away with violating the rules - in the case of Pearce Brown, he gained an advantage over Jo to the point of making a pass for the lead which he held onto for the win. Two 450 riders jumped on the Red Cross flag with no penalty. Several of us pointed out at the time that they just disincentivized obeying the flags/lights. So now everyone jumps and everyone gets a slap on the wrist so it’s all evening out. Think about that: everyone doing it and then getting the same (non-monetary) penalty is essentially identical to nobody being penalized. They created a situation with how they handled the Shimoda situation where the person penalized is the person following the rules. What a shit show - and it’s the entirely predictable result of the AMA’s previous stupidity. . 

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6/22/2026 6:31pm
MPJC wrote:
Back in supercross the AMA let riders get away with violating the rules - in the case of Pearce Brown, he gained an advantage over Jo...

Back in supercross the AMA let riders get away with violating the rules - in the case of Pearce Brown, he gained an advantage over Jo to the point of making a pass for the lead which he held onto for the win. Two 450 riders jumped on the Red Cross flag with no penalty. Several of us pointed out at the time that they just disincentivized obeying the flags/lights. So now everyone jumps and everyone gets a slap on the wrist so it’s all evening out. Think about that: everyone doing it and then getting the same (non-monetary) penalty is essentially identical to nobody being penalized. They created a situation with how they handled the Shimoda situation where the person penalized is the person following the rules. What a shit show - and it’s the entirely predictable result of the AMA’s previous stupidity. . 

Lemmy ain’t wrong! (Is there an echo in here? 🤣)

6/22/2026 8:05pm

mossiman cannot afford to be losing anymore points............be looking for a new ride soon.

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6/23/2026 10:18am
JB 19 wrote:
When are they going to start handing out penalties for guys rolling around in qualifing and  waiting for someone who is on a heater to purposely...

When are they going to start handing out penalties for guys rolling around in qualifing and  waiting for someone who is on a heater to purposely get in their way to screw up their lap?   

Moto GP, it’s along lap penalty taken around lap 3 to 5 & ads around 3 seconds to that lap. Enforced rigorously 

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