Smokers. Is Honda next??

I think it’s safe to say Honda will never produce another two stroke mx bike again 

Yeah nah

I heard they're making a 900cc, 150hp "Kaplan" version that will cost 20,000 dollars and pull 5 bike lengths on any 450 in any side yard drag race. 

Not going to happen.

That will be a low reving 125 with a pipe that long!

That backward facing kickstarter would be a challenge, it may need a starter motor.

    Only 100 more pages of this before we force Honda to build a 350 two stroke. Won’t be long now, maybe 18 or 20 months at most ! LFG !

Back in business school, I did a paper on the commercial viability of Honda’s last gasp in the 2 stroke market.  Things might be very different if they continued to pursue this technology.

If anyone, I would think it would be Suzuki. They dipped their toes with those 125 kits a few years ago. 

How I wish you were wrong, but you are not.

Honda is still in love with air cooled 4 strokes.  Newest addition to product line is air cooled 300F.

they won't but it would be smart if they did. Look at the excitement over the kawi even after they dropped the ball on providing updates people are still wanting it. If they are acting that way about the kawi could you imagine what it would be like it Honda came out with a smoker

Honda was the main reason 2 stroke dirt bikes died and 4 strokes took over MX. You really think they are going to bring them back?? Not gonna happen. You'll see the Honda electric MX bike..bigfoot...and Cali be rational state...b4 a Honda 2t. 

It won’t happen, but it looks sweet 😎

Sorry in advance for stupid question but WHY is Honda so opposed to 2-strokes?  Is it emissions related?  If so, hasn’t the technology evolved enough since 2007/08 that 2-stroke carbon footprint is almost equivalent to a 4-stroke?

Honda is fully committed to the Greenies.  They haven't met a climate theory yet that they haven't supported.  
The chances of getting them to build a 2 stroke is less than zero.  Look at all the ICE products they have nuked over the past 20 years and you'll have a good idea of their mentality.

Stupid thread…. We all know Honda hates two strokes 

Thats the old hondamatic style of transmission, they were hydrostatic and share nothing with the current DCT transmissions in any model.

They were closer to the CM400A Hondamatic street bike from the 80s

Mr Honda always hated 2 strokes, the story was the orignal CR250 engine was R&D under the guise of being a power equipment engine. 

Yes,

The ill-fated NR500 project showed the lengths that Honda was willing to go to promote 4 stroke as their brand identity rather than adopt 2-strokes.

https://global.honda/en/RACERS/NR500_02/01.html

Suzuki would be plausible...  They are probably thinking of it at the least....  watching KX327 sales.

I know it will never happen, but can you imagine how many 125/250's Honda, Kawi and Suzuki would sell if they did bring back the 2t?? It would bring back/revolutionize local racing again. But, the 4t wb dead. Which would be music to my ears. 

Honda is all about clean this and clean that..so it's highly doubtful! But Honda is also a tech geek company and I wouldn't doubt if they tried to develop a forced injection two stroke or something along them lines!

No. Bill Clinton's EPA was the reason 2 Stroke Bikes were killed off. 

Soichiro Honda, noted many times, disliked two strokes. He's no longer with us, that feeling has been kept alive in Honda. 

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/retrospective-review-50-years-ago…

https://youtube.com/shorts/BRa4jl1Cw8Y?si=2tYTNG70cYKh3hHE

I believe JMB rode it and was just a tick off his factory bike. 

You can make a modern 2-stroke that is clean burning and fuel efficient but it isn’t a simple, lightweight machine anymore.  Injectors, electronic power valves, scavenging blowers, oil spray lubrication etc all add weight and complexity.

Aside from a philosophical bias, I suspect the main objection from a business point of view is why bother with all the research, development, testing, manufacturing investment etc to produce a machine that rivals existing four stroke technology and doesn’t deliver any significant benefits.

I know other OEMs still have 2 strokes but if Honda were to produce a new one I feel it wouldn’t be just a tidy up and rebadging of what is essentially 1980’s engine technology.

As much as they would be cool, I highly doubt it, it just isn't in their interests to do so

Around 2000 there wasn't much left in 2 stroke technology (aside from fuel injection). Aside from Honda himself not being a great fan, Honda has a competitive edge. Secondly, the 4 stroke vehicle model is to sell money on parts and extras. There isn't a lot of profit on motorcycles per sale. They also need to constantly come up with new bikes. A recent Red Bull rider rode 3 different KTMs from 06, 2016 and 2026 - they were all marginally different in speed up a decent hill, which shows 2 stroke engines were well refined at the end of the 90s and into the 00s.

And they (Honda) also only do 4 stroke lawn care equipment. And I also saw various articles stating how bad lawnmowers are. After a bit of research, it turns out (depending how you measure it, but in general), if I drive a combustion vehicle to my most-local track (1.5 hours away) I would emit more missions riding for a few hours than the drive. And A LOT more. Lawn mowers are the same. Surprisingly bad. You emit more NOX mowing the grass than driving to and from work all week.

The point here is, unless you have a catalytic converter on your 4 stroke engine, it releases heaps of NOX gas. Secondly, the main reason 2 strokes are bad for emissions is that the intake and exhaust ports are briefly open on every cycle. Which means unburnt fuel passes though. Still like 2 strokes though! But absolutely zero chance of Honda getting into the 2 stroke game, unless it is the ONLY way to win. Which is why they even started in the first place - the CR and the NSR were because 2 strokes were the only feasible way to win at the time.