Davies is NOT mid

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Speaking with his former trainer Ben Townley, he explained to me that the plan was to make him a SX rider. He won't do as good...

Speaking with his former trainer Ben Townley, he explained to me that the plan was to make him a SX rider. He won't do as good outdoors right off the bat, but that moment will come. And given his riding style, he'll be a top 450 rider as a rookie. The future is great for him. 

Just for the sake of conversation, is it harder to become well rounded as an SX specialist (MC?) or for an MX specialist to become competitive...

Just for the sake of conversation, is it harder to become well rounded as an SX specialist (MC?) or for an MX specialist to become competitive at SX? 

Cole may be a grinder but I wonder how many of these 250 kids consider themselves to be better outdoors? 

Good bench racing question, but to be fair, everyone starts out as a motocrosser.

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Rad76 wrote:
Speaking with his former trainer Ben Townley, he explained to me that the plan was to make him a SX rider. He won't do as good...

Speaking with his former trainer Ben Townley, he explained to me that the plan was to make him a SX rider. He won't do as good outdoors right off the bat, but that moment will come. And given his riding style, he'll be a top 450 rider as a rookie. The future is great for him. 

Just for the sake of conversation, is it harder to become well rounded as an SX specialist (MC?) or for an MX specialist to become competitive...

Just for the sake of conversation, is it harder to become well rounded as an SX specialist (MC?) or for an MX specialist to become competitive at SX? 

Cole may be a grinder but I wonder how many of these 250 kids consider themselves to be better outdoors? 

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Good bench racing question, but to be fair, everyone starts out as a motocrosser.

Not Davies. By the looks of it the first thing he did was riding whoops on a pw50.

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Just for the sake of conversation, is it harder to become well rounded as an SX specialist (MC?) or for an MX specialist to become competitive...

Just for the sake of conversation, is it harder to become well rounded as an SX specialist (MC?) or for an MX specialist to become competitive at SX? 

Cole may be a grinder but I wonder how many of these 250 kids consider themselves to be better outdoors? 

CPR wrote:

Good bench racing question, but to be fair, everyone starts out as a motocrosser.

Mavetism wrote:

Not Davies. By the looks of it the first thing he did was riding whoops on a pw50.

Blitzing until the training wheels fell off 😂

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Jkawi wrote:

How can one "be" mid? like mid-pack? 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Mid = Average

Example: That chick is mid at best. 

Lol. Thanks Mav! I had heard it before, I just didn't think it had caught on to the point we are putting it in thread titles. My "head in the sand while society crumbles around me" strategy must be working.... 

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5/12/2026 11:57am Edited Date/Time 5/12/2026 11:58am

It’ll be interesting to see how Davies develops outdoors. Last summer was basically a throwaway with the injury, and I don't really remember seeing him at all in the SMX rounds.

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Just saw this on IG. I didnt realize they were that close.

Forgot to mention Deegs had 2 more years to hone his skills…

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yak651 wrote:

Forgot to mention Deegs had 2 more years to hone his skills…

I get that Cole was awarded the win, but in head to head shootouts, Deegan won two. The win was on paper only for Davies.  

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yak651 wrote:

Forgot to mention Deegs had 2 more years to hone his skills…

The Moth wrote:

I get that Cole was awarded the win, but in head to head shootouts, Deegan won two. The win was on paper only for Davies.  

He was mentioning that Deegan has multiple more years in the class compared to Davies. Yes Deegan was better than Davies this year but their history and trajectories are totally different. People love to say how Deegan is the best 250 rider ever until someone beats him…

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yak651 wrote:

Forgot to mention Deegs had 2 more years to hone his skills…

The Moth wrote:

I get that Cole was awarded the win, but in head to head shootouts, Deegan won two. The win was on paper only for Davies.  

aeffertz wrote:
He was mentioning that Deegan has multiple more years in the class compared to Davies. Yes Deegan was better than Davies this year but their history...

He was mentioning that Deegan has multiple more years in the class compared to Davies. Yes Deegan was better than Davies this year but their history and trajectories are totally different. People love to say how Deegan is the best 250 rider ever until someone beats him…

I understand. I was talking about the comparison stats. I think it would look slightly better for Deegan with the win that was taken away. Whether Deegan is the best 250 rider ever is up for debate. RV has slightly better stats. Either way, Deegan is up there. 

Trey Canard, much like Cole, had early success in the 250sx class, but injuries took their toll on his career once he moved to the 450 class.  Also, while Davies has a better trajectory at this point in his career, it’s not just better than Deegan’s. It’s better than Jett’s and Jett’s rookie 450 mx season is better than any other rider in the history of the sport so I don’t put much weight into trajectories this early in a riders career since it can go in any direction.

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He raced a couple rounds last year after coming back from rj landing on him. Won a moto straight off the couch. Cole is far from...

He raced a couple rounds last year after coming back from rj landing on him. Won a moto straight off the couch. Cole is far from middle of the road. You will see. 

*gifted a moto win.  

Like Hunter gifted Deegs his first SMX title Smile

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Davies is a great rider- but this season Deegan had no issue coming thru the field, passing and then easily gapping Davies…short memories in this place. 

Without Deegan expecting Davies dominates in 2027, but last year some of you thought in 2026 he was second coming of Jesus..

 

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Like Hunter gifted Deegs his first SMX title Smile

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Davies is a great rider- but this season Deegan had no issue coming thru the field, passing and then easily gapping Davies…short memories in this place. Without...

Davies is a great rider- but this season Deegan had no issue coming thru the field, passing and then easily gapping Davies…short memories in this place. 

Without Deegan expecting Davies dominates in 2027, but last year some of you thought in 2026 he was second coming of Jesus..

 

I agree with everything you are saying, but they just don't get it, Brad.  You ever head of the speed of sound?  Pretty fast.  How about the speed limit in the universe, the speed of light?  That's super duper fast.  186,000 miles per second.  Well guess what? There's a new category, and physicists are marveled and shaking in their Hoka sneakers at this new discovery.  It's called the Speed of Deegan, and not even the recently unclassified UFO documents can explain or account for the instant acceleration and anti-gravity based propulsion of number 38 on the 4fiddy.  

But the world better prepare itself for what's coming in two weeks at Pala.  There's gonna be an unidentified flying object with the number 38 on it and it's going to stand on the top of the podium.

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Jkawi wrote:

How can one "be" mid? like mid-pack? 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Mid = Average

Example: That chick is mid at best. 

Like 6/7?

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5/13/2026 4:15am Edited Date/Time 5/13/2026 4:16am

He's not buns fam he's low key heat ngl deadass. He's finna mogg deegs so hard this summer

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Brad460 wrote:
Davies is a great rider- but this season Deegan had no issue coming thru the field, passing and then easily gapping Davies…short memories in this place. Without...

Davies is a great rider- but this season Deegan had no issue coming thru the field, passing and then easily gapping Davies…short memories in this place. 

Without Deegan expecting Davies dominates in 2027, but last year some of you thought in 2026 he was second coming of Jesus..

 

I agree with everything you are saying, but they just don't get it, Brad.  You ever head of the speed of sound?  Pretty fast.  How about...

I agree with everything you are saying, but they just don't get it, Brad.  You ever head of the speed of sound?  Pretty fast.  How about the speed limit in the universe, the speed of light?  That's super duper fast.  186,000 miles per second.  Well guess what? There's a new category, and physicists are marveled and shaking in their Hoka sneakers at this new discovery.  It's called the Speed of Deegan, and not even the recently unclassified UFO documents can explain or account for the instant acceleration and anti-gravity based propulsion of number 38 on the 4fiddy.  

But the world better prepare itself for what's coming in two weeks at Pala.  There's gonna be an unidentified flying object with the number 38 on it and it's going to stand on the top of the podium.

😂😂😂

Nice 👍🏻

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Brad460 wrote:
Davies is a great rider- but this season Deegan had no issue coming thru the field, passing and then easily gapping Davies…short memories in this place. Without...

Davies is a great rider- but this season Deegan had no issue coming thru the field, passing and then easily gapping Davies…short memories in this place. 

Without Deegan expecting Davies dominates in 2027, but last year some of you thought in 2026 he was second coming of Jesus..

 

I agree with everything you are saying, but they just don't get it, Brad.  You ever head of the speed of sound?  Pretty fast.  How about...

I agree with everything you are saying, but they just don't get it, Brad.  You ever head of the speed of sound?  Pretty fast.  How about the speed limit in the universe, the speed of light?  That's super duper fast.  186,000 miles per second.  Well guess what? There's a new category, and physicists are marveled and shaking in their Hoka sneakers at this new discovery.  It's called the Speed of Deegan, and not even the recently unclassified UFO documents can explain or account for the instant acceleration and anti-gravity based propulsion of number 38 on the 4fiddy.  

But the world better prepare itself for what's coming in two weeks at Pala.  There's gonna be an unidentified flying object with the number 38 on it and it's going to stand on the top of the podium.

😂😂😂

Nice 👍🏻

So only 1 out of 10 people thought it was funny.  That means it's not funny.

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yak651 wrote:

Forgot to mention Deegs had 2 more years to hone his skills…

The Moth wrote:

I get that Cole was awarded the win, but in head to head shootouts, Deegan won two. The win was on paper only for Davies.  

aeffertz wrote:
He was mentioning that Deegan has multiple more years in the class compared to Davies. Yes Deegan was better than Davies this year but their history...

He was mentioning that Deegan has multiple more years in the class compared to Davies. Yes Deegan was better than Davies this year but their history and trajectories are totally different. People love to say how Deegan is the best 250 rider ever until someone beats him…

James was the best 125 rider ever and got beat a few times

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Davies is fast, but not Deegan fast.........yet. Even after they hit and Deegan lost time he reeled him back in and went down trying to pass to soon. Poor decision, but all year the speed has gone to Deegan.

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I agree with everything you are saying, but they just don't get it, Brad.  You ever head of the speed of sound?  Pretty fast.  How about...

I agree with everything you are saying, but they just don't get it, Brad.  You ever head of the speed of sound?  Pretty fast.  How about the speed limit in the universe, the speed of light?  That's super duper fast.  186,000 miles per second.  Well guess what? There's a new category, and physicists are marveled and shaking in their Hoka sneakers at this new discovery.  It's called the Speed of Deegan, and not even the recently unclassified UFO documents can explain or account for the instant acceleration and anti-gravity based propulsion of number 38 on the 4fiddy.  

But the world better prepare itself for what's coming in two weeks at Pala.  There's gonna be an unidentified flying object with the number 38 on it and it's going to stand on the top of the podium.

😂😂😂

Nice 👍🏻

disbanded wrote:

So only 1 out of 10 people thought it was funny.  That means it's not funny.

I read it a couple times and wanted it to be funny- Understanding the intent, but landed like coming up short on a double..Or cartwheeling through the whoops?! maybe..

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decano51 wrote:

Like Hunter gifted Deegs his first SMX title Smile

 

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The glare off that photo from all the botox and fillers is intense!

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He's not buns fam he's low key heat ngl deadass. He's finna mogg deegs so hard this summer

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I agree with everything you are saying, but they just don't get it, Brad.  You ever head of the speed of sound?  Pretty fast.  How about...

I agree with everything you are saying, but they just don't get it, Brad.  You ever head of the speed of sound?  Pretty fast.  How about the speed limit in the universe, the speed of light?  That's super duper fast.  186,000 miles per second.  Well guess what? There's a new category, and physicists are marveled and shaking in their Hoka sneakers at this new discovery.  It's called the Speed of Deegan, and not even the recently unclassified UFO documents can explain or account for the instant acceleration and anti-gravity based propulsion of number 38 on the 4fiddy.  

But the world better prepare itself for what's coming in two weeks at Pala.  There's gonna be an unidentified flying object with the number 38 on it and it's going to stand on the top of the podium.

😂😂😂

Nice 👍🏻

disbanded wrote:

So only 1 out of 10 people thought it was funny.  That means it's not funny.

No it doesn't.  If I wrote that 1+1=2, and 1 person upvoted it, and 30 people downvoted it, it wouldn't make the statement false.

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Deegan math

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Good on Haiden for giving Cole props. It's a good look for him.

Well, he gave props because that's what he's been coached to say. You can see his grooming is going well. Very different from the 'say very little, be an angry asshole all the time, give no shits' persona, to the politically correct "oh yeah, and I want to thank my mom and dad, my sponsors, yada yada". He transformed almost overnight somewhere around mid-season (when crowds were beginning to boo him and not cheer).

He realized his asshole personality was turning people off, so he's trying the "I'm a good guy, it's all good, just for the fans" persona after what I am sure, was some coaching on how to do just that.

I get it, he's the AMA's little 'gift that keeps giving', so very little will ever happen to him with regards to rough riding, intentional takeouts, etc. But the constant glazing is a bit over the top. He's good, no argument there, but the glazing on this kid specifically is unreal.

 

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disbanded wrote:

So only 1 out of 10 people thought it was funny.  That means it's not funny.

No it doesn't.  If I wrote that 1+1=2, and 1 person upvoted it, and 30 people downvoted it, it wouldn't make the statement false.

No it doesn't.  If I wrote that 1+1=2, and 1 person upvoted it, and 30 people downvoted it, it wouldn't make the statement false.

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Humour works like math?

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disbanded wrote:

So only 1 out of 10 people thought it was funny.  That means it's not funny.

No it doesn't.  If I wrote that 1+1=2, and 1 person upvoted it, and 30 people downvoted it, it wouldn't make the statement false.

No it doesn't.  If I wrote that 1+1=2, and 1 person upvoted it, and 30 people downvoted it, it wouldn't make the statement false.

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MPJC wrote:

Humour works like math?

If it did, I would be closer to batting .1000 landing funny punchlines.

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At least Deegs has a boat-load of personality.  

Davies has the personality of a dried grapefruit.

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ShipLap wrote:

At least Deegs has a boat-load of personality.  

Davies has the personality of a dried grapefruit.

I don't agree with this. Davies last year was completely different than this year, I said it another time, he probably just put a lot of pressure on himself to win this year and just locked in. Once the championship was pretty much safe he already seemed to loosen up again. Last year he was hilarious as fuck in interviews. Remember, he is just a young kid and was never supposed to win/dominate this early until his rookie season.

Also have u seen the gypsy video "100 hours with Cole Davies" by any chance? Definitely give it a go if you didn't yet, it's great.

Deegan to me is just fake. He doesn't seem human to me, like he always has to put on a show once the camera is on. Maybe he is completely different off camera? Absolutely love how good the guy is and what he brings to the sport but I cannot listen to him for one second. Probably the result of someone who has had a camera shoved in their face since being a little kid, always with the pressure to perform or entertain. He can't even look someone straight in the eyes and starts tweaking when he's been interviewed. Very weird

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ShipLap wrote:

At least Deegs has a boat-load of personality.  

Davies has the personality of a dried grapefruit.

what Mav said. he's insecure and fake. he's a mirror of what he thinks he's supposed to be. he has A character, which is very entertaining to be sure, but personality...no. RV has personality. Jett has personality. 

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