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Don’t understand how anyone is complaining about this, if it’s in the rule book, it’s in the rule book.Maybe if the sport had actual team managers...

Don’t understand how anyone is complaining about this, if it’s in the rule book, it’s in the rule book.

Maybe if the sport had actual team managers instead of former pros, someone from the team might read the rule book and bring it to the AMAs attention before it becomes a problem

I don’t think most are complaining about the AMA following the rule book, just that the rule is dumb.

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Beeby wrote:
RC literally said on the broadcast, you brake, turn right and go over the line. Why should someone that doesn’t make it around  the proper track...

RC literally said on the broadcast, you brake, turn right and go over the line. Why should someone that doesn’t make it around  the proper track get an advantage over someone that does? The people behind him managed to make it over the finish line. Simple as that 

ACBailey89 wrote:
You got wax in your ears? RC said not sure what else Minear was supposed to do there after hearing the ruling, and sounds like he...

You got wax in your ears? RC said not sure what else Minear was supposed to do there after hearing the ruling, and sounds like he didn’t agree with it either.

That isn’t really what he said, is it?

He basically said he was not sure what else the rider was supposed to do, short of slamming on the brakes. But yes, RC, that is exactly what he should have done.

The whole point is that if you leave the track, you should return where you left it. That might take more time, but that is the deterrent. A rider should not be able to leave the track and then keep going until it is convenient to rejoin.

People miss turns or sections all the time and then take the smoother line back when it suits them. That should not be okay.

And let’s be honest, if the rider knew he would be penalized for missing the finish, you can bet he would have found a way to get back on before the line.


 

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So instead of taking the safe route, he should have flipped a U-turn in the whoops section so he could cross the finish line properly. This is...

So instead of taking the safe route, he should have flipped a U-turn in the whoops section so he could cross the finish line properly. 
This is so dumb!  If they enforce this rule they need to make it a rule for everywhere else around the track…. If you leave the track, the rider must re-enter where he/she left. 

Beeby wrote:

Pretty sure that is the rule 

Except they don’t enforce it.

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Don’t understand how anyone is complaining about this, if it’s in the rule book, it’s in the rule book.Maybe if the sport had actual team managers...

Don’t understand how anyone is complaining about this, if it’s in the rule book, it’s in the rule book.

Maybe if the sport had actual team managers instead of former pros, someone from the team might read the rule book and bring it to the AMAs attention before it becomes a problem

Because pretty sure safety should be number one priority over anything else 

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The AMA found themselves in a tough spot.   They must be the enforcer of the rules.  But when the spirit of the rule does not fit the situation?   No room for protesting or interpretation by officials.

 A rider can skip the finish line as long as he/she is completing another lap, but must cross the finish line if it's the last lap.  Is the spirit about a rider having to cross the finish line as in documenting completing the race?  It is a tough call to say Minear didn't uphold the spirit of completing that race. 

The AMA rule book apparently is filled with these.  Flag/light gate and now this.  Sheesh. 

 

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mavrick121 wrote:

Makes perfect sense to me. You've gotta cross the finish line.

aeffertz wrote:
The rule is weird because it only applies to the last lap. Which is bizarre because that’s most likely when someone would get blasted off the...

The rule is weird because it only applies to the last lap. Which is bizarre because that’s most likely when someone would get blasted off the track right before the finish line. 

Huxton throws a block pass on Ryder in the last corner. 
Ryder stays on the gas and goes wide, off the track, but he crosses the finish .001 seconds before Huxton.   
Is it fair for Ryder to win while off the track?

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kmc140 wrote:

He had time to loop back and still get a transfer position. Sucks but that's the rule. No one was in the whoops remember. 

Mavetism wrote:

There is no way even a single rider out there is aware of that rule

Then that is on them.

It is the rule book.

They are "professional" riders.

Taking the time to read and understand the rule book that your profession is run by is part of life.

The entire book is maybe 1/10 of what many careers have to deal with.

Compare it to a plumber, electrician, realtor, or truck driver.

I guess the ama needs to post the rules one section at a time on instagram. Maybe then the riders would read them.

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Don’t understand how anyone is complaining about this, if it’s in the rule book, it’s in the rule book.Maybe if the sport had actual team managers...

Don’t understand how anyone is complaining about this, if it’s in the rule book, it’s in the rule book.

Maybe if the sport had actual team managers instead of former pros, someone from the team might read the rule book and bring it to the AMAs attention before it becomes a problem

Plenty of things are in the rulebook and the AMA doesn't enforce it. 

Remember the lights issues this year, they even changed the rule after that. Riders jumping on the red cross flag and nothing happens, riders skipping entire sections at speed and nothing happens, riders missing 20 feet of track and being penalized. 

It wouldn't be an issue if they were consistently enforcing their own rules, but they don't.

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mavrick121 wrote:

Makes perfect sense to me. You've gotta cross the finish line.

aeffertz wrote:
The rule is weird because it only applies to the last lap. Which is bizarre because that’s most likely when someone would get blasted off the...

The rule is weird because it only applies to the last lap. Which is bizarre because that’s most likely when someone would get blasted off the track right before the finish line. 

It will be difficult to determine who passes the finish line first if one go outside and can't get timing from system and another passes as you should at resonable same time. Think that is the only reason. 

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I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end he was scored correctly.  If the AMA has the ability to score correctly a rider who's transponder has broken, then they should have the ability to score correctly Minear when he goes off track just before the finish line and safely rides around it.  Bull Shit AMA!

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Reese95w wrote:
I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end...

I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end he was scored correctly.  If the AMA has the ability to score correctly a rider who's transponder has broken, then they should have the ability to score correctly Minear when he goes off track just before the finish line and safely rides around it.  Bull Shit AMA!

Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.

This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole course from gate drop to checkered flag and Minear did not ride the entire course. It’s as simple as that 

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mavrick121 wrote:

Makes perfect sense to me. You've gotta cross the finish line.

aeffertz wrote:
The rule is weird because it only applies to the last lap. Which is bizarre because that’s most likely when someone would get blasted off the...

The rule is weird because it only applies to the last lap. Which is bizarre because that’s most likely when someone would get blasted off the track right before the finish line. 

aees wrote:
It will be difficult to determine who passes the finish line first if one go outside and can't get timing from system and another passes as...

It will be difficult to determine who passes the finish line first if one go outside and can't get timing from system and another passes as you should at resonable same time. Think that is the only reason. 

Rider that goes off track finishes behind the rider that stays on; easy.

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Rookie mistake. He should have checked up and made sure he crossed the finish line. Bitch all you want but the AMA made the correct call. 

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Rookie mistake. He should have checked up and made sure he crossed the finish line. Bitch all you want but the AMA made the correct call. 

That you have downvotes it wild. What the people want here clearly is the person that holds the throttle wide open to win, even if they don’t actually ride the whole course 

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ACBailey89 wrote:
Here’s some food for thought, say last lap pass happens to Kenny or Hunter and this obscure rule decided a championship y’all would be signing a...

Here’s some food for thought, say last lap pass happens to Kenny or Hunter and this obscure rule decided a championship y’all would be signing a different tune.

I actually had this exact thought and thought boy I hope Kenny can make that move work 😂

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Reese95w wrote:
I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end...

I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end he was scored correctly.  If the AMA has the ability to score correctly a rider who's transponder has broken, then they should have the ability to score correctly Minear when he goes off track just before the finish line and safely rides around it.  Bull Shit AMA!

Beeby wrote:
Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole...

Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.

This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole course from gate drop to checkered flag and Minear did not ride the entire course. It’s as simple as that 

But then why could he have legally gotten away with it on any other lap than the last lap? 

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Reese95w wrote:
I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end...

I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end he was scored correctly.  If the AMA has the ability to score correctly a rider who's transponder has broken, then they should have the ability to score correctly Minear when he goes off track just before the finish line and safely rides around it.  Bull Shit AMA!

EXACTLY - ridiculous ruling and logic.

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aeffertz wrote:
The rule is weird because it only applies to the last lap. Which is bizarre because that’s most likely when someone would get blasted off the...

The rule is weird because it only applies to the last lap. Which is bizarre because that’s most likely when someone would get blasted off the track right before the finish line. 

aees wrote:
It will be difficult to determine who passes the finish line first if one go outside and can't get timing from system and another passes as...

It will be difficult to determine who passes the finish line first if one go outside and can't get timing from system and another passes as you should at resonable same time. Think that is the only reason. 

CPR wrote:

Rider that goes off track finishes behind the rider that stays on; easy.

It's not easy how you describe it. 

How far between the riders to automatically move the guy missing the finish line to finish behind the other guy? 1 sec, 10 sec, 52 sec? 

What if there are 3 guys coming into final corner and going outside places one in front of both the others?

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Reese95w wrote:
I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end...

I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end he was scored correctly.  If the AMA has the ability to score correctly a rider who's transponder has broken, then they should have the ability to score correctly Minear when he goes off track just before the finish line and safely rides around it.  Bull Shit AMA!

Beeby wrote:
Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole...

Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.

This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole course from gate drop to checkered flag and Minear did not ride the entire course. It’s as simple as that 

bigk218 wrote:

But then why could he have legally gotten away with it on any other lap than the last lap? 

He shouldn’t. 

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Reese95w wrote:
I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end...

I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end he was scored correctly.  If the AMA has the ability to score correctly a rider who's transponder has broken, then they should have the ability to score correctly Minear when he goes off track just before the finish line and safely rides around it.  Bull Shit AMA!

Beeby wrote:
Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole...

Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.

This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole course from gate drop to checkered flag and Minear did not ride the entire course. It’s as simple as that 

The AMA rulebook already contains a rule on course cutting.  And in that rule it explicitly states that a rider forced off the track may enter at the next safest opportunity.   This was exactly the situation that happened to Minear.  If Minear did not ride the course, he would have been docked for cutting the course, which did not happen.  Minear rode the course.  

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We cannot bash the AMA for upholding the rules now. With all of the BS decisions the AMA has made this year, penalizing HD38 for the...

We cannot bash the AMA for upholding the rules now. With all of the BS decisions the AMA has made this year, penalizing HD38 for the “lane split,” about every race Hammaker has been in this year, but letting Minear finish the race without crossing the finish line, would make heads explode.

Except they have already shown they are willing to disregard the rule book and make up their own rules when they feel like it, like for the red light and red cross situation earlier this year. Which was also a terrible call

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They need to widen the sensor line wire because he did cross the extended finish line just not up the face of the jump where the sensor wire is. The finish line isn’t even the tip of the jump anymore.

There sure are lots of fucked up rulings in SX this year. 

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Reese95w wrote:
I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end...

I seem to recall that in an earlier Supercross this season Mookie's transponder was broken and he dropped off the live timing.  But in the end he was scored correctly.  If the AMA has the ability to score correctly a rider who's transponder has broken, then they should have the ability to score correctly Minear when he goes off track just before the finish line and safely rides around it.  Bull Shit AMA!

Beeby wrote:
Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole...

Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.

This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole course from gate drop to checkered flag and Minear did not ride the entire course. It’s as simple as that 

profmur wrote:
The AMA rulebook already contains a rule on course cutting.  And in that rule it explicitly states that a rider forced off the track may enter...

The AMA rulebook already contains a rule on course cutting.  And in that rule it explicitly states that a rider forced off the track may enter at the next safest opportunity.   This was exactly the situation that happened to Minear.  If Minear did not ride the course, he would have been docked for cutting the course, which did not happen.  Minear rode the course.  

He didn't cross the finish line. 

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ACBailey89 wrote:

Where was Minear supposed to go?

I don't believe there was room to turn around and get back on the track.  If this rule is left in place, tracks need to be designed so that riders can follow the rules.

Minear did the right, logical thing.  The AMA made the wrong call on this one.  Minear had nowhere to go.

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kylemenz1 wrote:
We cannot bash the AMA for upholding the rules now. With all of the BS decisions the AMA has made this year, penalizing HD38 for the...

We cannot bash the AMA for upholding the rules now. With all of the BS decisions the AMA has made this year, penalizing HD38 for the “lane split,” about every race Hammaker has been in this year, but letting Minear finish the race without crossing the finish line, would make heads explode.

Juck wrote:
Except they have already shown they are willing to disregard the rule book and make up their own rules when they feel like it, like for...

Except they have already shown they are willing to disregard the rule book and make up their own rules when they feel like it, like for the red light and red cross situation earlier this year. Which was also a terrible call

I completely agree. The only thing consistent with AMA is their inconsistency.  What they need to do is just stick with the rulebook. And if a rule in theory is good, but in practice is screwed up after it’s proved itself to be screwy they should change that rule immediately. They have the ability to make rule change changes midseason is necessary.  

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Beeby wrote:
Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole...

Mookie rode the entire course, Minear didn’t.

This isn’t about transponder data, it’s about a sport where the winner is the fastest person to ride the whole course from gate drop to checkered flag and Minear did not ride the entire course. It’s as simple as that 

profmur wrote:
The AMA rulebook already contains a rule on course cutting.  And in that rule it explicitly states that a rider forced off the track may enter...

The AMA rulebook already contains a rule on course cutting.  And in that rule it explicitly states that a rider forced off the track may enter at the next safest opportunity.   This was exactly the situation that happened to Minear.  If Minear did not ride the course, he would have been docked for cutting the course, which did not happen.  Minear rode the course.  

Beeby wrote:

He didn't cross the finish line. 

expand your viewing width he did

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They honestly need to put on the last line in the rulebook *for anything else not covered within the rules it comes down to race director discretion, which upon making a ruling is final. In this situation it would fall on pelletier to describe that minear was booted off the track and reentered at the next safest location and therefore finishes in his current position. If in the future theres a different situation then that one is judged individually. 

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