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Not sure if this was posted, but it looks like a pretty decent first entry and had KYB suspension, with more hp than an RMZ 250. The moto landscape is going to change fast in the next decade.
https://global.zxmoto.com/index.php?c=show&id=71
Wow not shocked a cheaper kove clone with different ripoff honda shrouds. More like a ripple
From what I can tell the owner of the company had a big part in starting Kove. They also just won a round of WSB
https://global.zxmoto.com/index.php?c=show&id=64
I'd rather purchase the RM-Z full rip than buy one of these even if they're half the price.
Looks great! KTMish. Wonder if they use some of the same suppliers as Bajaj?
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Hate to say it boys, but the bikes looks great…
For experienced riders this is probably mostly the case.
But the guy in this video talks about how popular the electric motorcycles (Surron, etc.) are becoming with younger kids. https://youtu.be/6y_HaBGqHz8?si=9b-IcwcXoPMitQR7&t=251
So we could come to a point where kids are mostly getting electric motorcycles and Chinese motorcycles for half the price. And that just becomes their normal, and the direction they stick with going forward. Or, maybe that becomes a good entry point for kids, and then they move on to Japanese and European dirt bikes the longer they ride and decide that reliability and parts availability becomes more important to them.
credit where it's due, if those MFs ever decide to reproduce a 1988 Toyota SR5 4wd pickup truck, im buying 2. Call it a Totoya, I don't care, as long as its a 22RE and the front hubs lock.
But a 250F? Nah
I think a huge draw to the Surron’s is no maintenance, sound, or gas/oil. I’d guess 90-95% of the kids riding them probably don’t have any interest in a legitimate dirt bike or any kind of off-roading. Having a legitimate dirt bike means changing oil, increased operating cost (maintenance, fuel etc), and having to travel to a legitimate track to ride. That’s probably the biggest appeal about them is that they can ride right out of their front door, meet up at the local 7/11, and then ride all over town with minimal fuss. Nobody bats an eye at the 10 kids that run stop signs and ride right into traffic on them in my neighborhood, but god forbid my 110 leaves my property line because it makes noise.
You’re spot on. I have a surron gang in my neighborhood and one day I had my bike out and they stopped to look and ask questions.
Not a single one knew what motocross actually was and had zero interest in riding on a gas bike at a track.
Makes me wonder what percentage of parts on a Jap bike are actually made in China. They literally can produce products to any tolerance required and are changing manufacturing in many ways.
Anyone seen the Xaomi supercar? It's blowing the competition out of the water, in both performance and manufacturing quality.
China has the capability of producing high quality goods, but we only see the ersatz products sold in the US.
They save the "good stuff" for their weapons systems.
they do great wall utes down here which where similar to what you wanted, , the early ones were not good, not toyota reliable, but they have seem to get better,
There’s one kid in my neighborhood that’s probably around 13-14 but he’s not part of the Surron gang. His family is heavy into some sort of religion, based off what I’ve seen them wear and how many people are actually living in the house. I see him ride his bicycle past my house all the time when I have the garage open and have seen him staring into it a few times riding by. I’ve thought about saying what’s up to him and inviting him to check the bikes out, but don’t want to seem like a weirdo.
I remember about ten years ago when I was his age, I was skateboarding through a neighborhood to a friend’s house and passed a garage with a few bikes inside, one being a brand new KTM FE. I was on the sidewalk and just gawked at the bikes for a minute, the dudes neighbor came out and started pressing me and was thinking I was scheming on how to steal the bikes or something. I told him absolutely not and told him I ride and even showed him pictures on my phone. The neighbors tone flipped instantly and he was super apologetic and walked me up to the front door of the house and introduced me to the owner of the bikes and I got to look at the bikes and talk moto with him for a half hour in his garage. I think about that often and hope that man appreciates how good of a neighbor he has to look out for him like that.
What a cool story. This is the attitude we should all have.
For those looking to race, I'm sure Japanese/Austrian (I guess British and Italian now too), would be better, but for those who might just ride once in a while, not race, sorry, but if it's 1/2 price, I'd probably go for that. I can't justify the price of the current options, but 1/2 price... I might pull the trigger, and I'm probably not the only one. It would help get more people of dirt bikes, and that's a good thing in the end. Have them be the entry model, that get people hooked.
China will take over a lot of automotive quite quickly.. China has a reputation for producing cheap junk, but we forget that Japan used to too. Some of the cars coming out of China these days are no joke, their EV movement is mind-blowing. I have been to China a few times and it’s really like stepping into the future in some cities.
Japan set the model that you can mass produce enough products of lower quality that eventually you will start to mass produce really good products for cheap, and both Korea and China have successfully followed.
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The Yangwang U9 is impressive...
These new wave of chinesium products aren’t even IP theft anymore. They might use a similar or even exactly the same plastics (like TM used to do, usually a mix of YZ AND CR plastics) but the core components and engines IP are sort of deals.
When a company sets up manufacturing in China they no longer hold the exclusive rights to much of the tech component's, they made the deal with the devil and now the devil is coming good. Essentially removing the middle man (Japan/Austria) in the equation.
either way China gets your money, so having some moral quadry is fruitless. Heck even Harley Davidson is in bed with China.
You guys aren't wrong about the "Surron Kids" but the EMR electric races in SoCal are becoming quite popular.
Most of us aren’t near an mx track, but we want to put around the neighborhood or sneak to a riding spot at the end of the alley or something. The e-bikes are perfect - Surron, Talaria, E-Ride, Valtinsu. These bikes are only getting better, and cheaper options a literally coming out weekly it seems. They’re powerful, cheap, simple, quiet, batteries/ battery charge last forever. What is the downside to them? None
Surron kids aren't becoming MX kids. The other way around, if anything. Kids ride surrons for the social aspect, hanging out with their buds, making IG reels, and because they can ride right from their house and rip around their town. They aren't interested in paying a bunch of money, waking up early on the weekends and driving long distances to go ride in circles at some place in the middle of nowhere.
Also, the surron fad is going to suffer as more and more towns/cities are starting to crack down heavily on them. There was a period where they were gaining popularity working the grey area between bicycle and motorcycle, but that loophole is closing.
Only closing if you get caught.
The Veteran later died and the mom's charges have been upgraded to Involuntary Manslaughter. The e-bike loophole is closing. People are getting sick of them and law enforcement is getting wiser about them.
This will be on Temu soon.
I’m sorry, what happened?
We were in downtown Toronto last summer. Beautiful, safe city. They have a well-developed network of urban bike lanes.
The problem? They are filled with electric motorcycles (not bicycles) who are blasting through traffic signals, etc. Just because you get a walk light at a cross walk does not mean it's safe to step off the curb. We had a couple of close calls.
I love all things with two wheels. But these clowns who are blasting down streets, riding on sidewalks (sometimes while looking at or filming with their phones) are a dangerous pain in the ass.
A lot of good could be done if authorities just enforced the laws now and then.
Yea a lot of the chinese bikes have looked bad or like copies, but this actually looks good.
There's an embedded video in my post. If you can't see it, a 14 yr old kid on a Surron hit and killed an 81 yr old decorated Vietnam war veteran pilot. The kid's mom has been charged with a list of crimes for letting her kid ride the illegal e-bike on public streets, including involuntary manslaughter.
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