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What is with your "journalism" crusade? Is it ruining your life?
The rulebook says no passing/no jumping on "flashing red lights at the beginning of a jump OR set of jumps" what is the difference between that and a "lead in light"? I dont understand how they didnt completely contradict that rule with either their decision, or the application of this brand new lead in rule (whichever you believe to be the case). Who cares if, how, and when it was said. Its like red means stop, but there's a new rule made that red means go if you dont see a car? What am I missing?
Just because you can't find code reds in the manual doesn't mean they don't exist and that Kendrick didn't order one lol
So if you guys skip riders meeting or don’t pay attention then you don’t have to follow anything that was said? Sounds like a bunch of iron workers lmao
Time to start a sign in sheet for riders meeting
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Would it surprise you to know that the AMA rulebook is available digitally? You act as though it is impossible to enshrine a rule change into the rulebook immediately.
It's not a rule until it's written down.
Actually… they NEED to run a butt patch with red lights on the left cheek and a Red Cross flag on the right butt cheek!
Maybe no one will pass them.
There’s no need for mental gymnastics in this case. There are all kinds of examples in sports where the letter of the law is not followed by what’s in the rule book, but is interpreted by the officials. Traveling in basketball is one example. Referees often allowed a player a gather step and didn’t impose a penalty on the player. It was then added to the rule book.
More importantly, and where the analogy to speed limits (or any laws for that matter) fails, is that those are codified laws which can only change through and multi-step process and legislative approval. So they are more immutable. In sports, rules are more flexible and are often placed into practice before changes in the rule book happen.
In this specific case, the lead in light has been happening in practice since the incident with Jett Lawrence. These have, according to Mike, been discussed with riders by Ezra Lusk and will be updated in the rule book, which some seem to think is set in stone like the 10 Commandments and is not open to change either in law or practice.
Race direction given prior to an event can't contravene the posted rulebook.
Who are you, Michael Masi?
Gee you really cannot help yourself can you ? We really do not care what your beef with Vital journalists is ... get a grip !
It happens all the time. You have never organized a race or been supervisor or race director have you? It's even in the rule book, that race director can make decisions that goes against what it says in another paragraph. THAT is written in the rule book, so I guess you can't question that, can you?
Sometime I wonder how people survive the days when breathe isn't written on a post-it they carry around.
😂🤣
This is different than one referee making a bad call on one play in whole game. In this case one man can change the whole outcome of a sporting event with a lot of money at stake. Is this a professional sport or an entertainment show like monster trucks or WWE?
lol
Michael (Pelletier) this is so not right
No one has disputed it should been in the book, have they?
In think you should ask KTM and Star if they agree that a rule needs to be written down and handed to people in a note, or if it is sufficient it is verbally communicated at for example riders meeting. I'm guessing Honda and KTM won't agree here.
Would however be interesting to see if not the team has gotten something emailed to them about this when it wa implemented, in 2024.
Not to mention riders could get seriously injured or killed from landing on each other. The whole "It was mentioned at the riders meeting" thing seems pretty rinky dink at this level. For the Sr. vet class at chicken licks raceway ? Sure. But I would think at this level things like this should be in writing ?
50 years of experience has me going with the MT/WWE option.
Working overtime in these comments, all to change absolutely no one’s mind on how Jo got fucked by this.
Of course, I’m sure everyone’s already convinced of this, but at this point I hope you’re on someone’s payroll twisting your brain into a pretzel with the mental gymnastics trying to make sense of this to everyone here.
I thought it was track design specific? If stating specifics at riders meeting is “rinky dink” why even have riders meeting?
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1. The rules must be in writing and very clear, without any ambiguity.
2. The rules we have state clearly not to jump on red cross flags OR flashing lights.
3. Riders jumped on cross flags or flashing lights.
4. The standard penalty should apply. QED.
(I will give some leeway in deference to the AMA course marshal, whose interpretive discretion must be allowed.)
You are taking the time to respond to a comment on a public internt forum that probably has less than 1000 active users and represents less than 0.00001% of the people on this earth.
I think its safe to say neither of us is putting it up as a life achievement.
You know what I meant, sure there are specific things for each track to cover at the riders meeting. Different interpretations of the rulebook from track to track isn't one of them is it ? Does the red light / red cross flag meaning change from track to track ? That part should be clearly spelled out in the rulebook and stay consistent, right ? That's all I'm saying. Or am I wrong ? The red lights and red cross meaning can change from track to track ?
I spent a couple of decades organizing and running races and race series.
If I had made a change in the rules in 2024, it would be written down in the rulebook by 2026.
You keep repeating this as gospel. Can you please confirm the date and time of the rider meeting YOU attended that you heard this? If you can’t do that, stop repeating this lie
Can you repeat which riders meetings and media days and information package did not contain this info? If not, please stop spreading the lies.
See how that works? 😄🫡🤷
We go by the information we are provided with. It's pretty clear right now that if you would ask KTM and Star they would say one thing, and Honda another. So who is right?
Eeexxxccept no rider interviewed after the race has said they heard it, and that they were confused.
Red lights coming on for no reason in Houston didn’t happen?
I have said it the whole time. It's all based on the assumption that riders got the information. If they remember it is of course a different thing.
I mean riders and parents with 15 years in the sport still can't quote what the yellow flag means in some races i run.
Some kind of interview with Ezra on how this has been communicated would be of interest.
I haven't been a race director, but I do know how to read. The penalties for violating the rules are up to the race directors discretion to a point. Nowhere does it say that discretion includes the ability to rewrite the rules.
But I'm just a dumbass who needs written instructions to breathe according to you.
I’m no pro racer, but the lights and flag rules seem like a pretty complicated decision to make in the middle of an SX race.
classic douche bag solution to any "problem"
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