Panic Button for Chase/Kawi?

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2/22/2026 12:25pm

Why don't they just go back to the setup where he won convincingly, at least it seems to be a good base setup. Seems like they throw the baby out with the bathwater every week.

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i just found it "sad" when they did show him and he didn't even try for the quad nor even the little triple leading into the...

i just found it "sad" when they did show him and he didn't even try for the quad nor even the little triple leading into the whoops. Is that "bike setup" or IDGAF? He KNOWS his real comp is hitting those combos, he KNOWS he should be hitting those combos...but doesn't give it a shot?

So can we say Chase “gave up”/ “quit”?

no - I just find it quite indicative of where his mind is at = "ain't no way I'm hitting those combos or I might die"

I think you could say he gave up. He didn't pull out of the race, but chase didn't go all out in that race for sure.

Funny how both Prado and Chase, backs it down equal amount on the same team/bike, when they don't feel safe or comfortable on the bike.

Tomac also backed down similar amount, from winning potential to 6-8 when he had setup issues. 

Guess that's where you land if you have potential to win but have to back off to be safe. Field is tight.

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Why don't they just go back to the setup where he won convincingly, at least it seems to be a good base setup. Seems like they...

Why don't they just go back to the setup where he won convincingly, at least it seems to be a good base setup. Seems like they throw the baby out with the bathwater every week.

thought about this also. Obviously a multi-billion dollar company. Take his race winning bike and build a replica of the next track somewhere that the dirt closest resembles the next race. Practice like mad for the week. AT LEAST they'll be.........closer?

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2/22/2026 12:36pm

So can we say Chase “gave up”/ “quit”?

no - I just find it quite indicative of where his mind is at = "ain't no way I'm hitting those combos or I might die"

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I think you could say he gave up. He didn't pull out of the race, but chase didn't go all out in that race for sure.Funny...

I think you could say he gave up. He didn't pull out of the race, but chase didn't go all out in that race for sure.

Funny how both Prado and Chase, backs it down equal amount on the same team/bike, when they don't feel safe or comfortable on the bike.

Tomac also backed down similar amount, from winning potential to 6-8 when he had setup issues. 

Guess that's where you land if you have potential to win but have to back off to be safe. Field is tight.

in watching his times, he definitely just settled in. Huge gap in front of him and behind him. No change in gaps. He definitely mailed this one in, which is nuts for someone that went last to 1st once.

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2/22/2026 1:13pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2026 1:13pm

 Marchbanks did weed himself in the whoops..AGAIN. hes a big guy, should do ok, maybe it is partially the bike?

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If the factory Kawi "sucked" how did they win a race this season?  Last night was a tricky track.   Chase didn't push and he kept...

If the factory Kawi "sucked" how did they win a race this season?  

Last night was a tricky track.   Chase didn't push and he kept the bike upright.   Not a great result but he remained unscathed.   Chase is in an untenable situation.  Play it safe and keep the season in mind.   Push and potentially crash out.  The pitchforks come out in either situation.

 

Every top flight rider is in the same "untenable" position. 

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Sexton took the same career path as Daniel Ricciardo

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decano51 wrote:

Sexton took the same career path as Daniel Ricciardo

Kinda but I think Chase should have a higher ceiling and more success than Ricciardo. 

I have never been that high on Ricciardo though. I don't understand why people think so highly of him. I think people just like him and his smile and that makes them think more highly of him than his talent warrants. He was the most competitive teammate with Max but that was when Max was super new to F1, young, and the RB car had a high competitive advantage to everyone but Mercedes. He ran from the fight, kinda like Chase did at Honda. Since then, he has never been very good. 

Hard to have a direct comparison but I just think much more highly of Chase's skill and pedigree than I ever did of Ricciardo. I think Alonso is a closer comparison. Top level talent, pedigree, potential but not quite achieving up to expectations.

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decano51 wrote:

Sexton took the same career path as Daniel Ricciardo

Jub wrote:
Kinda but I think Chase should have a higher ceiling and more success than Ricciardo. I have never been that high on Ricciardo though. I don't understand...

Kinda but I think Chase should have a higher ceiling and more success than Ricciardo. 

I have never been that high on Ricciardo though. I don't understand why people think so highly of him. I think people just like him and his smile and that makes them think more highly of him than his talent warrants. He was the most competitive teammate with Max but that was when Max was super new to F1, young, and the RB car had a high competitive advantage to everyone but Mercedes. He ran from the fight, kinda like Chase did at Honda. Since then, he has never been very good. 

Hard to have a direct comparison but I just think much more highly of Chase's skill and pedigree than I ever did of Ricciardo. I think Alonso is a closer comparison. Top level talent, pedigree, potential but not quite achieving up to expectations.

yeah semi agree... im more pointing out that Ricardo left Redbull because of Max moving in and Danny thought he deserved to be Number 1 driver.

switched brand after brand chasing that feeling... went downhill from there.. still some success but no where near his potential. blaming the Car/bike for every wrong decision along the way. 

Sexton often saying comments like "i was kind of spoilt and didn't realise how good i had it at Honda",, gives me the same energy as Danny Ric wishing he never left RedBull 
 

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The thing is, there is really no place for chase to go if he wants to jump ship. Three year contract, if he does work to get out of it, where too? Husky? Just KTM with a different color and less money. Gas Gas? Suzuki? If Roczen leaves then perhaps that team will take him but he is not getting a better bike. 

 Yeah, not looking great for the future right now with Chase.

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Why don't they just go back to the setup where he won convincingly, at least it seems to be a good base setup. Seems like they...

Why don't they just go back to the setup where he won convincingly, at least it seems to be a good base setup. Seems like they throw the baby out with the bathwater every week.

thought about this also. Obviously a multi-billion dollar company. Take his race winning bike and build a replica of the next track somewhere that the dirt...

thought about this also. Obviously a multi-billion dollar company. Take his race winning bike and build a replica of the next track somewhere that the dirt closest resembles the next race. Practice like mad for the week. AT LEAST they'll be.........closer?

Because that was using pro circuit clamps and suspension, and the factory team can't do that...

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2/22/2026 4:41pm
kylemenz1 wrote:

I think it’s time to realize that the KX, and the whole team, need a revamp. 

JB 19 wrote:

Where there's this much smoke there has to be fire.   This feels like Yamaha before Star took over the 450 program.  

Great comparison. Kawasaki needs to clean shop. Start at the top and keep replacing people until there is a culture change. 

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decano51 wrote:

Sexton took the same career path as Daniel Ricciardo

Jub wrote:
Kinda but I think Chase should have a higher ceiling and more success than Ricciardo. I have never been that high on Ricciardo though. I don't understand...

Kinda but I think Chase should have a higher ceiling and more success than Ricciardo. 

I have never been that high on Ricciardo though. I don't understand why people think so highly of him. I think people just like him and his smile and that makes them think more highly of him than his talent warrants. He was the most competitive teammate with Max but that was when Max was super new to F1, young, and the RB car had a high competitive advantage to everyone but Mercedes. He ran from the fight, kinda like Chase did at Honda. Since then, he has never been very good. 

Hard to have a direct comparison but I just think much more highly of Chase's skill and pedigree than I ever did of Ricciardo. I think Alonso is a closer comparison. Top level talent, pedigree, potential but not quite achieving up to expectations.

decano51 wrote:
yeah semi agree... im more pointing out that Ricardo left Redbull because of Max moving in and Danny thought he deserved to be Number 1 driver.switched...

yeah semi agree... im more pointing out that Ricardo left Redbull because of Max moving in and Danny thought he deserved to be Number 1 driver.

switched brand after brand chasing that feeling... went downhill from there.. still some success but no where near his potential. blaming the Car/bike for every wrong decision along the way. 

Sexton often saying comments like "i was kind of spoilt and didn't realise how good i had it at Honda",, gives me the same energy as Danny Ric wishing he never left RedBull 
 

Yea, I also think that bike matters much less in MX/SX than car does in F1. Max isn't winning in the Alpine, for instance. I think Jett wins on any bike in the field, except maybe the Kawi. Unless a bike is a total pile, Jett would win on anything. Kawi might be a real problem. I barely ride and I participate in car racing stuff way more than I ride. MX/SX is such better racing than F1 for a lot of reasons but lack of dependency on bike is one of the prime ones. That, line choice, lack of aero, athleticism, lack of team strategy, etc. In MX/SX, it is very rare that we ever feel like the best guy can't or doesn't win over the long run. Happens all the time in F1 and makes it kinda boring. Max is the only one in recent years that has had enough of a skill gap to overcome a sub-optimal car sometimes. Chase and maybe Marchbanks are the only ones that I think are not performing where their skill belongs. That's why I'm willing to say it might be a Kawi issue.

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2/22/2026 6:07pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2026 6:07pm
Jub wrote:
Yea, I also think that bike matters much less in MX/SX than car does in F1. Max isn't winning in the Alpine, for instance. I think...

Yea, I also think that bike matters much less in MX/SX than car does in F1. Max isn't winning in the Alpine, for instance. I think Jett wins on any bike in the field, except maybe the Kawi. Unless a bike is a total pile, Jett would win on anything. Kawi might be a real problem. I barely ride and I participate in car racing stuff way more than I ride. MX/SX is such better racing than F1 for a lot of reasons but lack of dependency on bike is one of the prime ones. That, line choice, lack of aero, athleticism, lack of team strategy, etc. In MX/SX, it is very rare that we ever feel like the best guy can't or doesn't win over the long run. Happens all the time in F1 and makes it kinda boring. Max is the only one in recent years that has had enough of a skill gap to overcome a sub-optimal car sometimes. Chase and maybe Marchbanks are the only ones that I think are not performing where their skill belongs. That's why I'm willing to say it might be a Kawi issue.

My concern on "Jett can win on any bike.." well, I guess not a concern, I believe he can Win races, though, on every bike he has been on he still has to same exact crashes, washing the front end. Seems there is no bike he can't wash the front end out on. Add in some very questionable choices that cost him dearly (for example, third race in a triple crown he had locked up, instead blew himself off the podium needlessly.) I am not sure he can win a championship on any bike.

 I know that is not a popular take here.

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2/22/2026 6:12pm Edited Date/Time 2/22/2026 7:16pm
Jub wrote:
Kinda but I think Chase should have a higher ceiling and more success than Ricciardo. I have never been that high on Ricciardo though. I don't understand...

Kinda but I think Chase should have a higher ceiling and more success than Ricciardo. 

I have never been that high on Ricciardo though. I don't understand why people think so highly of him. I think people just like him and his smile and that makes them think more highly of him than his talent warrants. He was the most competitive teammate with Max but that was when Max was super new to F1, young, and the RB car had a high competitive advantage to everyone but Mercedes. He ran from the fight, kinda like Chase did at Honda. Since then, he has never been very good. 

Hard to have a direct comparison but I just think much more highly of Chase's skill and pedigree than I ever did of Ricciardo. I think Alonso is a closer comparison. Top level talent, pedigree, potential but not quite achieving up to expectations.

decano51 wrote:
yeah semi agree... im more pointing out that Ricardo left Redbull because of Max moving in and Danny thought he deserved to be Number 1 driver.switched...

yeah semi agree... im more pointing out that Ricardo left Redbull because of Max moving in and Danny thought he deserved to be Number 1 driver.

switched brand after brand chasing that feeling... went downhill from there.. still some success but no where near his potential. blaming the Car/bike for every wrong decision along the way. 

Sexton often saying comments like "i was kind of spoilt and didn't realise how good i had it at Honda",, gives me the same energy as Danny Ric wishing he never left RedBull 
 

Jub wrote:
Yea, I also think that bike matters much less in MX/SX than car does in F1. Max isn't winning in the Alpine, for instance. I think...

Yea, I also think that bike matters much less in MX/SX than car does in F1. Max isn't winning in the Alpine, for instance. I think Jett wins on any bike in the field, except maybe the Kawi. Unless a bike is a total pile, Jett would win on anything. Kawi might be a real problem. I barely ride and I participate in car racing stuff way more than I ride. MX/SX is such better racing than F1 for a lot of reasons but lack of dependency on bike is one of the prime ones. That, line choice, lack of aero, athleticism, lack of team strategy, etc. In MX/SX, it is very rare that we ever feel like the best guy can't or doesn't win over the long run. Happens all the time in F1 and makes it kinda boring. Max is the only one in recent years that has had enough of a skill gap to overcome a sub-optimal car sometimes. Chase and maybe Marchbanks are the only ones that I think are not performing where their skill belongs. That's why I'm willing to say it might be a Kawi issue.

true, but ricciardo is a notoriously bad test driver and had difficulty adapting his driving style to diverse cars. the mclaren debacle showed that. 

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Jub wrote:
Kinda but I think Chase should have a higher ceiling and more success than Ricciardo. I have never been that high on Ricciardo though. I don't understand...

Kinda but I think Chase should have a higher ceiling and more success than Ricciardo. 

I have never been that high on Ricciardo though. I don't understand why people think so highly of him. I think people just like him and his smile and that makes them think more highly of him than his talent warrants. He was the most competitive teammate with Max but that was when Max was super new to F1, young, and the RB car had a high competitive advantage to everyone but Mercedes. He ran from the fight, kinda like Chase did at Honda. Since then, he has never been very good. 

Hard to have a direct comparison but I just think much more highly of Chase's skill and pedigree than I ever did of Ricciardo. I think Alonso is a closer comparison. Top level talent, pedigree, potential but not quite achieving up to expectations.

decano51 wrote:
yeah semi agree... im more pointing out that Ricardo left Redbull because of Max moving in and Danny thought he deserved to be Number 1 driver.switched...

yeah semi agree... im more pointing out that Ricardo left Redbull because of Max moving in and Danny thought he deserved to be Number 1 driver.

switched brand after brand chasing that feeling... went downhill from there.. still some success but no where near his potential. blaming the Car/bike for every wrong decision along the way. 

Sexton often saying comments like "i was kind of spoilt and didn't realise how good i had it at Honda",, gives me the same energy as Danny Ric wishing he never left RedBull 
 

Jub wrote:
Yea, I also think that bike matters much less in MX/SX than car does in F1. Max isn't winning in the Alpine, for instance. I think...

Yea, I also think that bike matters much less in MX/SX than car does in F1. Max isn't winning in the Alpine, for instance. I think Jett wins on any bike in the field, except maybe the Kawi. Unless a bike is a total pile, Jett would win on anything. Kawi might be a real problem. I barely ride and I participate in car racing stuff way more than I ride. MX/SX is such better racing than F1 for a lot of reasons but lack of dependency on bike is one of the prime ones. That, line choice, lack of aero, athleticism, lack of team strategy, etc. In MX/SX, it is very rare that we ever feel like the best guy can't or doesn't win over the long run. Happens all the time in F1 and makes it kinda boring. Max is the only one in recent years that has had enough of a skill gap to overcome a sub-optimal car sometimes. Chase and maybe Marchbanks are the only ones that I think are not performing where their skill belongs. That's why I'm willing to say it might be a Kawi issue.

Oh absolutely.

I’m not saying tho that the comparison I made is 100% the same. But I think the career path of the grass is always greener is very similar. 

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All I could picture was Emig in the dunes.

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Here's a take, maybe Chase isn't as good as we thought? He does well on Honda, leaves, Lawrences do better. He does well on KTM, leaves, 33 yr old Eli does arguably better. Eli arguably looks better than he did on Yamaha. Maybe put Chase on an ordinary bike, he is ordinary? Perhaps he wasn't as good as we all thought, maybe?

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kylemenz1 wrote:

I think it’s time to realize that the KX, and the whole team, need a revamp. 

JB 19 wrote:

Where there's this much smoke there has to be fire.   This feels like Yamaha before Star took over the 450 program.  

kylemenz1 wrote:

Great comparison. Kawasaki needs to clean shop. Start at the top and keep replacing people until there is a culture change. 

Factory Kawi seems like the previous Factory Yamaha.   Yamaha cleaning house worked out pretty good for Blu Cru.

*Seems odd to see a Factory Team at the highest level be so stubborn and struggle with set up and flexibility with almost all of their top riders since RV days.

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Spoonguy wrote:
Here's a take, maybe Chase isn't as good as we thought? He does well on Honda, leaves, Lawrences do better. He does well on KTM, leaves...

Here's a take, maybe Chase isn't as good as we thought? He does well on Honda, leaves, Lawrences do better. He does well on KTM, leaves, 33 yr old Eli does arguably better. Eli arguably looks better than he did on Yamaha. Maybe put Chase on an ordinary bike, he is ordinary? Perhaps he wasn't as good as we all thought, maybe?

*Jett has done better on the Honda, and I think it's pretty unanimous that he's a generational talent. Eli doing this well on a KTM is a surprise but he is also the second winningest rider in sx ever, so not the most fair comparison there either. 

I don't think Chase is as good as Eli or Jett in the long term and falls more in the Roczen category, where he has crazy speed but gets bit my mistakes and when another rider gets in his head. Wins races and even championships when things fall his way but in the highest pressure situations against another rider I wouldn't put my money on him. 

Also, he took a year to adjust to the KTM, so I'm not worried too much about his results this year, although im not paying his salary. He seems like someone who needs the bike to be EXACTLY what he wants it to be and that takes time. I just think there's a very wide gap between Eli and Jett and "ordinary" and he falls within that gap.

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2/22/2026 7:30pm

Have they tried putting a new tire on the front for the main event or do they just swap it around?!

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2/22/2026 7:36pm
Spoonguy wrote:
Here's a take, maybe Chase isn't as good as we thought? He does well on Honda, leaves, Lawrences do better. He does well on KTM, leaves...

Here's a take, maybe Chase isn't as good as we thought? He does well on Honda, leaves, Lawrences do better. He does well on KTM, leaves, 33 yr old Eli does arguably better. Eli arguably looks better than he did on Yamaha. Maybe put Chase on an ordinary bike, he is ordinary? Perhaps he wasn't as good as we all thought, maybe?

That’s just, like, your opinion, man 

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Timo wrote:

Because that was using pro circuit clamps and suspension, and the factory team can't do that...

Factory Kawi cant run the PC components?

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Timo wrote:

Because that was using pro circuit clamps and suspension, and the factory team can't do that...

spokeman wrote:

Factory Kawi cant run the PC components?

Correct it’s a conflict of ego.

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From my race recap post yesterday. Chase is in one of the worst runs of form in his 450 SX career

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I would have to go back and listen to confirm but I’m 78% sure Lewis said new kawi coming in 27. This would be a quick cycle for Kawasaki so will be interesting if I heard that right. 

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I found it interesting that Hunter's bike looked really twitchy in the waning laps at Arlington when the track got choppy, but he adjusted his riding...

I found it interesting that Hunter's bike looked really twitchy in the waning laps at Arlington when the track got choppy, but he adjusted his riding,  plowed forward (and kept sending the quad!), and basically kept ET3 at bay and won.  I'm a bit worried that Chase doesn't seem to be able to do that....it's concerning. 

Through that particular rhythm, Chase didn't look good at all. Over jumping, under jumping, just not looking comfortable at all. Whereas everyone else doing that combo looked pretty smooth besides a few over jumps of the quad, but that was when there were lappers around so they had to change lines I expect.

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I would have to go back and listen to confirm but I’m 78% sure Lewis said new kawi coming in 27. This would be a quick...

I would have to go back and listen to confirm but I’m 78% sure Lewis said new kawi coming in 27. This would be a quick cycle for Kawasaki so will be interesting if I heard that right. 

Well if there is, good luck to Chase.

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