Damn. Has it really been 2 decades?

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MotoDad32 wrote:
I didn't realize you meant with modern bikes.  Given that, you might be right.  The fitness in today's athletes though is so much better I don't...

I didn't realize you meant with modern bikes.  Given that, you might be right.  The fitness in today's athletes though is so much better I don't think it's a no-brainer.

The fitness of today’s riders surpasses that of RC? Not a chance. 

Or Dungey,  or RV.

 

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MotoDad32 wrote:
I didn't realize you meant with modern bikes.  Given that, you might be right.  The fitness in today's athletes though is so much better I don't...

I didn't realize you meant with modern bikes.  Given that, you might be right.  The fitness in today's athletes though is so much better I don't think it's a no-brainer.

The fitness of today’s riders surpasses that of RC? Not a chance. 

RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs, better nutrition, better injury prevention and recovery programs, better PEDs, etc.  RC could certainly be competitive in terms of raw talent, but he would hit his physical limit much sooner.  The 2026 athlete is optimized to operate at 95% of their maximum capacity for longer with a much lower risk of breakdown.  It's really not debatable.

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MotoDad32 wrote:
RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs...

RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs, better nutrition, better injury prevention and recovery programs, better PEDs, etc.  RC could certainly be competitive in terms of raw talent, but he would hit his physical limit much sooner.  The 2026 athlete is optimized to operate at 95% of their maximum capacity for longer with a much lower risk of breakdown.  It's really not debatable.

It's expensive as hell, I don't know how folks do it.  We had gravel/sand pits around where I grew up to ride on, no one had any proper track.  Nutrition?  Beer and water. . .ham sandwiches and little Debbie cakes ..

Raced arenacross and got an eye opener....

Goodtimes ...

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Falcon wrote:

Imagine a dude like me re-watching Terrafirma and Crusty Demons of Dirt. 30 years. 😐

CEMX182 wrote:

Terrafirma 2 is the Gold Standard for MX film.

PLUS, Soundtrack is absolutely top-shelf. 

I'm inclined to agree. 1, 2 and 3 were all really good. 

I'm a little biased toward Terrafirma 3, though. I was able to attend the premiere party at the Hollywood Bowl way back when it was released. Bunch of drunk MX guys went absolutely ballistic at the opening scene when Johnny Campbell goes flying past the camera at 100MPH. Jeff Emig was cruising around in his Shift leisure suit after winning the outdoor championship. It was a memorable night! 

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MotoDad32 wrote:
RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs...

RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs, better nutrition, better injury prevention and recovery programs, better PEDs, etc.  RC could certainly be competitive in terms of raw talent, but he would hit his physical limit much sooner.  The 2026 athlete is optimized to operate at 95% of their maximum capacity for longer with a much lower risk of breakdown.  It's really not debatable.

Not debatable, true, because its pure speculation on your part.

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MotoDad32 wrote:
RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs...

RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs, better nutrition, better injury prevention and recovery programs, better PEDs, etc.  RC could certainly be competitive in terms of raw talent, but he would hit his physical limit much sooner.  The 2026 athlete is optimized to operate at 95% of their maximum capacity for longer with a much lower risk of breakdown.  It's really not debatable.

NotCore wrote:

Not debatable, true, because its pure speculation on your part.

What part, exactly?  You don't think that athlete training, nutrition, recovery, etc. programs have evolved significantly in the past 20 years?  

I really don't think that someone could put forth a credible counter-argument, but I remain open minded.

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Falcon wrote:

Imagine a dude like me re-watching Terrafirma and Crusty Demons of Dirt. 30 years. 😐

CEMX182 wrote:

Terrafirma 2 is the Gold Standard for MX film.

PLUS, Soundtrack is absolutely top-shelf. 

Falcon wrote:
I'm inclined to agree. 1, 2 and 3 were all really good. I'm a little biased toward Terrafirma 3, though. I was able to attend the premiere...

I'm inclined to agree. 1, 2 and 3 were all really good. 

I'm a little biased toward Terrafirma 3, though. I was able to attend the premiere party at the Hollywood Bowl way back when it was released. Bunch of drunk MX guys went absolutely ballistic at the opening scene when Johnny Campbell goes flying past the camera at 100MPH. Jeff Emig was cruising around in his Shift leisure suit after winning the outdoor championship. It was a memorable night! 

That would be a pretty epic night. can't imagine a bunch of MX guys getting wild at the Hollywood Bowl haha feel's like surf & skate are the only one's still having fun at film premiere's haha

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MotoDad32 wrote:
RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs...

RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs, better nutrition, better injury prevention and recovery programs, better PEDs, etc.  RC could certainly be competitive in terms of raw talent, but he would hit his physical limit much sooner.  The 2026 athlete is optimized to operate at 95% of their maximum capacity for longer with a much lower risk of breakdown.  It's really not debatable.

NotCore wrote:

Not debatable, true, because its pure speculation on your part.

MotoDad32 wrote:
What part, exactly?  You don't think that athlete training, nutrition, recovery, etc. programs have evolved significantly in the past 20 years?  I really don't think that...

What part, exactly?  You don't think that athlete training, nutrition, recovery, etc. programs have evolved significantly in the past 20 years?  

I really don't think that someone could put forth a credible counter-argument, but I remain open minded.

The new generation could be in better shape but I'm pretty sure RC could go 100% for 2 36 min motos ?  Where's the advantage ? Flexibility and strength ? Repair and recovery has advanced. Saying RC would run out of gas, eeehh I don't know ...

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MotoDad32 wrote:
RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs...

RC was heads/tails above everyone else when he was racing, for sure.  That said - the guys today are much more fit - better training programs, better nutrition, better injury prevention and recovery programs, better PEDs, etc.  RC could certainly be competitive in terms of raw talent, but he would hit his physical limit much sooner.  The 2026 athlete is optimized to operate at 95% of their maximum capacity for longer with a much lower risk of breakdown.  It's really not debatable.

NotCore wrote:

Not debatable, true, because its pure speculation on your part.

MotoDad32 wrote:
What part, exactly?  You don't think that athlete training, nutrition, recovery, etc. programs have evolved significantly in the past 20 years?  I really don't think that...

What part, exactly?  You don't think that athlete training, nutrition, recovery, etc. programs have evolved significantly in the past 20 years?  

I really don't think that someone could put forth a credible counter-argument, but I remain open minded.

The methods used on RC are very similar to what is used today.  No, I do not think that there have been big jumps in nutrition.  The benefits and application of protein, carbs , fats remains very similar to this day.   

I suppose if you're speak to hyperbaric chambers and things of that nature, sure.   RC was getting 9-10 hours of sleep a night. Recovery, near covered.

Training can be a weird one and is probably the most subjective because one size fits all is near impossible.   Baker worked for RC, RD, RV, while James and Kenny didn't really mesh with it.

Bottom line,  once RC started his goat assent in 01, I can't picture a time he ever came off the track just smoked physically.

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I believe James was on Factory (Chevy sponsored) Kawasaki no Pro Circuit Splitfire. Big James would not have his boy on the farm team.

I believe James was on Factory (Chevy sponsored) Kawasaki no Pro Circuit Splitfire. Big James would not have his boy on the farm team.

May be referring to 2001 before going pro.

skypig wrote:

Could easily be wrong - what 125 was he on when he went over the bars from braking too hard?
That’s the racing I was thinking of.

The Vegas race in ‘03? That was factory Kawi. He ran splitfire/pc graphics on his amateur bikes, but went straight to the factory team when he went pro. I think he had a factory Honda offer (there’s pic of him testing the bike) and probably used that as leverage to ride for factory Kawi and get his own gear deal. Give me a factory deal or I’ll go to factory Honda probably. 

2/16/2026 12:44pm
NotCore wrote:

Not debatable, true, because its pure speculation on your part.

MotoDad32 wrote:
What part, exactly?  You don't think that athlete training, nutrition, recovery, etc. programs have evolved significantly in the past 20 years?  I really don't think that...

What part, exactly?  You don't think that athlete training, nutrition, recovery, etc. programs have evolved significantly in the past 20 years?  

I really don't think that someone could put forth a credible counter-argument, but I remain open minded.

Flatliner wrote:
The methods used on RC are very similar to what is used today.  No, I do not think that there have been big jumps in nutrition...

The methods used on RC are very similar to what is used today.  No, I do not think that there have been big jumps in nutrition.  The benefits and application of protein, carbs , fats remains very similar to this day.   

I suppose if you're speak to hyperbaric chambers and things of that nature, sure.   RC was getting 9-10 hours of sleep a night. Recovery, near covered.

Training can be a weird one and is probably the most subjective because one size fits all is near impossible.   Baker worked for RC, RD, RV, while James and Kenny didn't really mesh with it.

Bottom line,  once RC started his goat assent in 01, I can't picture a time he ever came off the track just smoked physically.

There is truth in what he is saying  


PEDs and supplements are light years ahead of what they used to be, and that is a huge contributor to recovery  

 Food and nutrition are the same, but there has been advancements in specialty diets that helps recovery and even brain health. 

There are also better ways to monitor the body now to help guys control over training and stress levels. I think it’s why the guys who grind now can go into their 30 and their bodies aren’t as tired. Eli said that he doesn’t train some days if his is overworked.  

Aldons program with RC is drastically different now, it’s no more grinding till you drop, it’s trying to find peak performance and maintaining it. 

 But I do agree, RC would be fine endurance wise against the top guys, but as we seen, it’s not sustainable. 

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Flatliner wrote:
The methods used on RC are very similar to what is used today.  No, I do not think that there have been big jumps in nutrition...

The methods used on RC are very similar to what is used today.  No, I do not think that there have been big jumps in nutrition.  The benefits and application of protein, carbs , fats remains very similar to this day.   

I suppose if you're speak to hyperbaric chambers and things of that nature, sure.   RC was getting 9-10 hours of sleep a night. Recovery, near covered.

Training can be a weird one and is probably the most subjective because one size fits all is near impossible.   Baker worked for RC, RD, RV, while James and Kenny didn't really mesh with it.

Bottom line,  once RC started his goat assent in 01, I can't picture a time he ever came off the track just smoked physically.

No big jumps in nutrition?  The "macros are macros" argument misses the massive jump in how they’re applied. Back in RC’s 2006 era, it was just "clean fueling"—mountains of pasta and chicken to survive the grind. Today, it’s about metabolic precision. These guys are using CGMs (Continuous Glucose Monitors) to see exactly how their blood sugar reacts to specific carb sources. It’s not just "eating carbs" anymore; it’s using something like highly branched cyclic dextrin to keep blood sugar perfectly flat so they don't spike and crash mid-moto.

Hydration has gone from "drink a gallon of Gatorade" to custom sweat-profile mapping. They’re measuring exact sodium and potassium loss per hour to prevent the micro-cramping that causes arm pump. Plus, the focus on gut health and anti-inflammatory loading (like tart cherry or curcumin) means they can recover and hit the same intensity 24 hours later, whereas the 2006 guys were just chronically inflamed and overtrained. The fuel might be the same, but the timing and delivery systems are on a completely different level now.

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Flatliner wrote:
The methods used on RC are very similar to what is used today.  No, I do not think that there have been big jumps in nutrition...

The methods used on RC are very similar to what is used today.  No, I do not think that there have been big jumps in nutrition.  The benefits and application of protein, carbs , fats remains very similar to this day.   

I suppose if you're speak to hyperbaric chambers and things of that nature, sure.   RC was getting 9-10 hours of sleep a night. Recovery, near covered.

Training can be a weird one and is probably the most subjective because one size fits all is near impossible.   Baker worked for RC, RD, RV, while James and Kenny didn't really mesh with it.

Bottom line,  once RC started his goat assent in 01, I can't picture a time he ever came off the track just smoked physically.

MotoDad32 wrote:
No big jumps in nutrition?  The "macros are macros" argument misses the massive jump in how they’re applied. Back in RC’s 2006 era, it was just...

No big jumps in nutrition?  The "macros are macros" argument misses the massive jump in how they’re applied. Back in RC’s 2006 era, it was just "clean fueling"—mountains of pasta and chicken to survive the grind. Today, it’s about metabolic precision. These guys are using CGMs (Continuous Glucose Monitors) to see exactly how their blood sugar reacts to specific carb sources. It’s not just "eating carbs" anymore; it’s using something like highly branched cyclic dextrin to keep blood sugar perfectly flat so they don't spike and crash mid-moto.

Hydration has gone from "drink a gallon of Gatorade" to custom sweat-profile mapping. They’re measuring exact sodium and potassium loss per hour to prevent the micro-cramping that causes arm pump. Plus, the focus on gut health and anti-inflammatory loading (like tart cherry or curcumin) means they can recover and hit the same intensity 24 hours later, whereas the 2006 guys were just chronically inflamed and overtrained. The fuel might be the same, but the timing and delivery systems are on a completely different level now.

Perfectly said. 

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i still watch Bar to Bar 2003 almost weekly. 

For me, The difference watching the older racing is 2nd place wasn't good enough back then.. 
 

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Watching RC send it was peak MX for me.  Balls to the walls, white knuckle racing. 

2/16/2026 7:14pm Edited Date/Time 2/16/2026 7:15pm
Zacka 161 wrote:

Was he ever on a spitfire kawasaki? I though he was factory the whole time?

RudyRayMo wrote:

I remember some mini bikes and maybe the 125 at the word minis.

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I saw him on a PC bike in 2001 at the Mini-Os, this pic is Loretta's though.

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Zacka 161 wrote:

Was he ever on a spitfire kawasaki? I though he was factory the whole time?

RudyRayMo wrote:

I remember some mini bikes and maybe the 125 at the word minis.

I saw him on a PC bike in 2001 at the Mini-Os, this pic is Loretta's though.

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I saw him on a PC bike in 2001 at the Mini-Os, this pic is Loretta's though.

He ran the PC kits on his minis too, sooo sick


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Went down the rabbit hole watching 20 (wtf!) year old racing tonight in the garage.I respect anyone who has ever raced Professionally on a dirtbike, any...

Went down the rabbit hole watching 20 (wtf!) year old racing tonight in the garage.

I respect anyone who has ever raced Professionally on a dirtbike, any time period… all the eras, all the pros, there’s been just so many amazing riders and stories. Everts on an alloy frame 500, Pourcel on a PC 250f, Reedy on his 04 YZ, Millsaps in 13 (?) on that Suzuki leading the 450SX… and the intensity of RV/Tomac, fluidity and style of Jett…

But dang. The ferocity of RC and JS in some of those outdoor rounds in 06 is truly unbelievable. Carby factory 450s, tiny mufflers, maximum intensity and throttle pegged, wide open for 2 motos… simply incredible stuff. I dunno if that has been repeated!

https://youtu.be/8IRu0aW1KWw?si=RWn9CSWBFr0aKatA

Anyway. Sorry to go down memory lane. 20y just seems way to long!  

Here’s to another 20. Good luck Hunter!

 

I couldn’t stop watching that! How’s that ever gonna be topped? Probably never.

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Flatliner wrote:
The methods used on RC are very similar to what is used today.  No, I do not think that there have been big jumps in nutrition...

The methods used on RC are very similar to what is used today.  No, I do not think that there have been big jumps in nutrition.  The benefits and application of protein, carbs , fats remains very similar to this day.   

I suppose if you're speak to hyperbaric chambers and things of that nature, sure.   RC was getting 9-10 hours of sleep a night. Recovery, near covered.

Training can be a weird one and is probably the most subjective because one size fits all is near impossible.   Baker worked for RC, RD, RV, while James and Kenny didn't really mesh with it.

Bottom line,  once RC started his goat assent in 01, I can't picture a time he ever came off the track just smoked physically.

MotoDad32 wrote:
No big jumps in nutrition?  The "macros are macros" argument misses the massive jump in how they’re applied. Back in RC’s 2006 era, it was just...

No big jumps in nutrition?  The "macros are macros" argument misses the massive jump in how they’re applied. Back in RC’s 2006 era, it was just "clean fueling"—mountains of pasta and chicken to survive the grind. Today, it’s about metabolic precision. These guys are using CGMs (Continuous Glucose Monitors) to see exactly how their blood sugar reacts to specific carb sources. It’s not just "eating carbs" anymore; it’s using something like highly branched cyclic dextrin to keep blood sugar perfectly flat so they don't spike and crash mid-moto.

Hydration has gone from "drink a gallon of Gatorade" to custom sweat-profile mapping. They’re measuring exact sodium and potassium loss per hour to prevent the micro-cramping that causes arm pump. Plus, the focus on gut health and anti-inflammatory loading (like tart cherry or curcumin) means they can recover and hit the same intensity 24 hours later, whereas the 2006 guys were just chronically inflamed and overtrained. The fuel might be the same, but the timing and delivery systems are on a completely different level now.

You're making some great points,  but we have to be careful to not imply that they were dragging knuckles 20 years ago either. AP is proof that you can still take a hit and have all the signs of overtraining even with the metrics you've posted.

When the rubber meets the road, and longevity aside, 2004 RC wouldn't get beat because of fitness in 2026.

I did enjoy your post though,  sounds like you know some things.

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I believe James was on Factory (Chevy sponsored) Kawasaki no Pro Circuit Splitfire. Big James would not have his boy on the farm team.

I believe James was on Factory (Chevy sponsored) Kawasaki no Pro Circuit Splitfire. Big James would not have his boy on the farm team.

I've always wanted to know the exact offset on the triple clamps and the C/L to C/L length of the rear link James ran. I'd pay dearly for those on his 04' KX125 & 05' KX250 2 stroke.

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You can't take 2004 RC and assume if he was racing today he wouldn't be maximizing today's training and nutrition regime.  What motivated him to put in the work and accomplish what he did in his era undoubtably would have motivated him today.

It always felt like RC hated losing as much if not more than he loved winning.

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MotoDad32 wrote:
I didn't realize you meant with modern bikes.  Given that, you might be right.  The fitness in today's athletes though is so much better I don't...

I didn't realize you meant with modern bikes.  Given that, you might be right.  The fitness in today's athletes though is so much better I don't think it's a no-brainer.

RC was so juiced up, he was probably the fittest mx athlete that ever existed 

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Here’s some twenty-four years old shtuff…..IMG 2164 4IMG 2165 1IMG 2166 3.jpeg?VersionId=IvzudS2p8U5yRp.rlJf5VdDvKSU6WKBIMG 2167 2IMG 2162

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