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Where is last two stroke when we need him, he lives in australia, right? I figured he'd have all the answers after all the know-it-all opinions he has about the USA? 🤔
If you take a life due to religion, I hope there’s a special hell for you cause you’re a bad person and a half wit on top of that.
No. Stirring shit is what you are doing . .
Per usual.. .
12 people are dead, wounded tbd...
Screw your statistics. Today isnt the time for your shit
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This is why I clicked on this thread! If this had happened in the US, he would have started the thread and lectured us about gun control…
I’m gonna have to disagree on this. I’m leaving out the bad ones…really, really bad ones from October 7th.
What about Brown University and Benjamin Erickson’s mas shooting yesterday???
I'm waiting for more facts to come out, not mainstream or social media speculation.
So far we know the shooters were a 50 year old father, his 24 year old son, and a third shooter who is at large. The father had no criminal record, he held a gun license for 10 years and owned multiple registered guns.
Their motives are unknown, anyone claiming otherwise is speculating.
The motives are clear, troll.
There you go, jumping to conclusions.
Why is anyone down voting truck? Are you saying this was not terrorism?
Yes, totally reckless of me to speculate that antisemitism might be at the root of a Jewish celebration being shot up.
The feigned ignorance/just asking questions routine is so dumb.
It's just an extension of TDS. The right dares to call Islam what it is so the other side has committed themselves to denying this no matter what. They aren't that stupid but opposing the right is the chief concern at all times so truth doesn't matter.
Keep on trucking: 💪
Incredibly, incredibly sad.
Today we mourn those lost, and innocence stolen.
We live in a world where horrible people commit horrible acts. Nothing can eliminate that fact, I love my country deeply, and I am proud to say that this sort of thing is incredibly rare, however we also need to investigate everything that made this act possible. Did our security services know of these individuals, did police respond appropriately etc.
I sincerely hope that negligence did not contribute to these horrors.
Regardless, sadly nothing will bring those people back to their loved ones.
😢
Nicely put by a proper Aussie gentleman.
Condolences sent from The ‘Mericas. Heal well, Australia.
You don’t have any qualms about jumping to conclusions about American news, but you expect people here to wait for all the facts about Oz news?
If you bothered to read my posts, I don't jump to conclusions.
Pit Row
Obviously the odds are that they're going be Muslims and that this is going to be the typical garbage spillover from barbaric shitholes. Not that there's anything wrong with reserving a more firm opinion until there's more info, because we should all be a little reserved until we know more, but....that doesn't mean we should deny the obvious patterns that we've all seen over the years.
In all of the coverage in our media, I sort of dred when they get a hold of the bloke who disarmed one of those F**kwits.
He will be endlessly pursued, and I hope he can handle it all.
A Brave Man!
Yes, 2 F**kwits, with guns targeted a peaceful gathering . I'm grateful it doesn't happen more often - this is our largest shooting incident here in OZ since the '96 Port Arthur one.
Most of our 'shootings' seem to come in Rural areas, where, at times, you have nutters with f**cked up ideas and guns. Those two things. And / or lunacy, hatred, are a vicious combination, wherever you are.
I was down there, on that 'bridge' you see one of those F**kwits dealing out carnage and cruelty from, with my Mum, only about a week ago. Bondi Beach,was absolutely Chockers, as it always is, when it's sunny / warm.
I'm thankful that the toll of death and injury are less than what could have been - as I said, it's a packed place this time of year.
Oh, and to that Twat / F**ker, Netinyahu ( and whoever that other politician of his is) Go And F**ck Yourself, with your comments. How about you look at your Security Failure(s) that allowed those evil bastards Hamas do the October attacks on your people?
What happened at Bondi Beach is horrific. And it’s being used to understandably fan the flames against Islamic extremism. What I find curious is this board’s lack of outrage when mass killings committed by US citizens take place. The Uvalde school shooting had many immediately rushing to defend 2nd Amendment rights while placing lesser value on the rights of those kids. I just don’t get it.
As the father of 3 boys I’m more concerned about the random gunman than Islamic radical. Since 2000 there have been over 230,000 firearm homicides in the US, a staggering number of which only a very small percentage were religiously motivated. So where is our outrage? Does it apply only when the perpetrators are of a different religion/race/gender/etc.?
I realize these statements will infuriate some. And that’s okay, everyone has the right to be angry. I’d just like to see the same level of anger applied to the real threats in our daily lives.
Or maybe I’m mad because you still haven’t offered me a fully prepped 350 XCF set to 105mm sag! Where is my invitation!!
I'd like to know more about the brave civilian that tackled one of the gunmen and disarmed him. He's genuinely a hero that has saved many lives.
From what I can gather his name is Ahmed El-Ahmed, a father of two and owner of a family run fruit store. He was shot twice in the arm after the footage below. I hope he okay, will make a recovery, and that he is supported
The juxtaposition of society in a single incident...
What you perceive as a lack of outrage at other massacres isn't that, it's just that there's nobody standing on the other side arguing in favor of them. There's no world religion moving people into your neighborhood that holds school shootings as within the realm of things many members of the religion celebrate.
There is universal agreement that school shootings are bad. We might strongly disagree about what to do about them, but there's agreement that they are evil.
You cannot say the same thing about Islamic terrorism. There are entire countries supporting it. It's not a fringe view within the religion to celebrate it. The supposed moderates can't find the words to even fake condemnation half the time.
That's what's so maddening to me about this issue. Listen to their words. Don't listen to me, listen to them. The terrorism is a rational outpouring of their belief system and people refuse to accept this despite the overwhelming evidence. The terrorism is not a fringe element of the religion that is out of line with the religions teachings and rejected by the vast majority of adherents no matter how much people try to convince themselves of this so they don't have to confront it. Islam is an evil religion and always has been.
We’re just as offended by the mass shootings here. Yet, we have to be defensive of the attempt to corrupt our Second Amendment rights to weapons.
What is your solution, more gun control? Australia has some of the strictest gun laws on Earth. Once again, people are the problem, not the firearm.
On my bucket list. Been through the international airport many times but never got out of the airport.
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The majority of the country may identify as Christian, but let’s be real, the majority aren’t attending a Christian church and don’t actually follow the religion. For whatever reason, it’s “cool” to say you’re Christian. It’s “cool” to thank god or wear jewelry representing Christianity. I’m willing to bet that the violent crime rate amongst actual Christian’s who follow the bible and attend church weekly is extremely low.
Now on the flip side, I’m willing to bet that the vast majority of Muslim/islamic terrorists do in fact attend their religious ceremonies and do actually follow the Quran very closely. They are committing violent crimes because of their religious ideology. Christians don’t often (I didn’t say never) commit violent crimes because of their religious beliefs. Usually if they commit a violent crime it’s just because they’re a bad person and not actually representing their religion.
What about him? Shitty people exist all over the world. It doesn’t mean it’s related to religion in any way, shape or form. Just because there’s one issue going on it doesn’t mean it’s related or anywhere even relevant to another completely separate incident. One incident was done most likely because the person went completely off the handle. The other was most likely done due to religious beliefs. Both are absolutely awful situations but it doesn’t mean they are relevant to one another.
It's hard to define the team aspect to this discussion. Is it Christian vs Muslim or Jew vs Muslim or Arabs vs the West? It doesn't matter to me in the sense that none of these classifications have clean hands when it comes to murdering non combatants. Everybody here has a fresh memory of Oct 7 and 9-11 as well as others that TG posted images of. But to say that there is a good guy and a bad guy is total fucking BS when it comes to inhumanity. The white on white, Protestant vs Catholic terrorism in Northern Ireland comes to mind. The Western allies and the fire bombing of Dresden. The Intentional killing of hundreds of thousands of Japanese citizens in the atomic bombing of Japan. And more recently the thousands of non combatant Iraqi's that were killed because of our bullshit invasion.
Humans are an incredibly inhumane species.
However, the criticism of Muslim immigrants to various Western countries is not completely unfounded. I have a difficult time believing everything I hear, read, and see on today's media. But it does seem clear that the clash of cultures in those countries is real. Compromise? These Western countries held out their hands to help refuges. They absolutely have no obligation to compromise culturally.
"What I find curious is this board’s lack of outrage when mass killings committed by US citizens take place. The Uvalde school shooting had many immediately rushing to defend 2nd Amendment rights while placing lesser value on the rights of those kids. I just don’t get it."
I would call this out as wrong. The first thing was people advocating FOR gun restrictions. And many people got defensive of that. These events are some of the most horrible. To try and score political points (gun control) before the victims have even bled out is reprehensible. I'm addition, when you see a number of these happen, to point out some commonalities with previous events (possible motive) is not inappropriate. However, I did get a time out for posting an obvious scenario last time.
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