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If you are targeted for a theft, they'll get your shit sooner or later no matter how much security you have. You can certainly do things to stop crimes of opportunity but once you are a target they'll just wait you out.
While this is true, you can hedge your bets on being targeted by being a hard target.
The more of a pain in the ass it is, the more risk of investigation, arrest - or even being met with lethal force that is perceived, the further down the "we should snatch them" list you go.
But clearly these thieves were not smart enough to wait him out, because they entered his compound while they were actaully home. So in this instance, any deterrent at all would have worked, but he had none in place.
I can't imagine getting my bikes stolen while I'm sleeping, let alone they got away with 17. Damn this one hurts. I'm not a GNCC fan, but that doesn't matter. Sh*t like this sucks ass.
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From RacerX..
"The eight-time Progressive Grand National Cross Country (GNCC Racing) Champion said he posted a bike for sale on Facebook Marketplace, but a friend recommended deleting it since he knew someone had been robbed following a similar post. Russell said he deleted the post and when his family woke up this morning, his wife saw the garage completely empty."
This strikes me as weird. He posted a bike for sale, but his friend knew someone that was robbed...from a similar post? What exactly was similar, just the fact that it was for sale? And then he actually listened to his buddy? I guess these guys never sell anything because someone got robbed somewhere? Is the suggestion that the robbery did or did not have anything to do with the ad?
And someone got 17 bikes loaded without anyone noticing? You'd need at least a 24ft box truck or trailer and you'd have to really jam them all together. You'd have to park a bit away because there's going to be some noise opening and closing truck/trailer doors, setting down and picking up a ramp, getting the bike up the ramp, etc. It's all very possible, but my first reaction is not to automatically believe this story.
All the experts…
People have been getting bikes stolen because they posted a for sale ad on Marketplace basically daily. If you are in local track or bike type subgroups you will see at least a post a day about stolen bikes after a Marketplace listing.
It's where the thieves shop. You tell them you have dirt bikes. They look at your pictures and can get a real good idea of just how many. Then grab your address, one or two drive by scopes, a quick peak at google earth, game on.
They'll bring 10-20 dudes. U Hauls, Enterprise vans like Fed Ex uses, etc. You ever see the videos of them clearing a dealership or race shop in under a minute?
It's a sophisticated enterprise in it's own savage way.
<- not an expert, but physical security concerns tie heavily into my industry and I work with many SMEs.
I grew up in and around Chicago. I have a general lack of trust in society based on my experiences. I currently have four cameras-three of which I can clearly see my garage- with two different companies. I live in a low crime suburb and I still look out my window whenever I wake up in the middle of the night. I find it hard to believe he had no cameras or security of any sort. Wasn’t Phoenix Honda’s race shop recently robbed? I would think that might be a wake up call to those in the area.
Security camera footage of Phoenix Honda's robbery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBMJ5CtV8XQ
Less time than it would take most people to put on their glasses and get out of bed, 11 bikes out the door.
- This video also should serve some notice that cameras alone aren't enough. Cameras give pause to your casual thief, the local meth head.
These dudes don't care. There's very selective law enforcement in urban areas. See the one using an iphone for the flashlight (you can see the IR face detector going off)? If there's any airtags his phone will alert him that an airtag is following with him, and he can have it chime to find and remove it.
Loud ass sirens, cameras, bright ass lights, security bars on the doors. Human security if possible, all layered, is the best you can do if privacy/secrecy isn't an option (in a case like Phoenix).
It's odd that they don't even know how to take the bikes off of the stand lol.
I feel terrible for Kailub. That is insane to have that many bikes gone, within close proximity, while you are asleep. The championship bikes for sure hurt. And it takes a special type of creep to take kid's bikes too. Just sad all around. Would love to see those people get busted but it might be a longshot.
What really scares me about Kailub's situation is if a family member had stepped into that garage in the middle of it.
It's going to be fight or flight from the bad actors, and it's really a 50/50 dice roll. :-(
Could have a long lasting psychological impact on the family as it is.
I think all the experts left because there's a few guys who deleted their posts after they realized they were wrong.
If you watch the video of that YouTube link I posted you'll see at the very beginning he's right outside the garage where the bikes were stolen and there's a very long gravel driveway. The thieves could have wheeled the bikes down the driveway and loaded them into some trucks outside his gate. They obviously had a large crew and could've moved pretty fast. I agree you would need a couple large box vans or trailers to get away with 17 bikes.
It is very crazy though that he and his family were right there sleeping while all of this went down. They should buy the kids a couple puppies for Christmas because this wouldn't have happened if they had a couple dogs, and the thieves surely knew this.
Maybe it’s a bike version of “Overhauled”
Yamaha is gonna return him a 350 woods weapon
That’s going to be the intro of the YZ350FX
But probably not…
I just don’t sell any of them!
This is also the technique I utilize.
I tell my wife it is for "security" and the old ones are "hers now"
When we built our current house it came with a pretty good Alarm System. We upgraded and ditched the phone line wired dial up to cell dial up. One thing I didn’t think of was alarm switches on garage doors. I left the garage open a couple of times over night with dirt bikes shinning like a nickel in a goats ass for a thief driving by. Lucky nothing was ever stolen. I had the alarm company come out and add a switch for each garage door. Didn’t have a wire back to the panel so they installed wireless switches. The good thing those switches are just like windows and door switches, can’t arm the alarm system till the garage doors are closed.
I need to put a bike up for sale. If you want to sell one now days it’s pretty much face book. I’d take it to my buddies dealership for him to sell on commission but really don’t want to ask him to do that unless I intended to buy a new bike from him.
Now day especially in a large cities, thieves will steal the steeple off a church. Some of these crime rings are very organized, some come in from other countries just to steal, fence what they stole and get on a plane back to Chile or wherever.
Pit Row
This is very sad
The same people who stole my '24 YZ450F. Posted it on marketplace for sale about a week prior to it getting stolen. There is a really bad theft ring in the Raleigh NC area where tons of peoples bikes are getting stolen. Marketplace makes it way too easy. They literally can just google your name and find your address. Fortunately i ended up getting my bike back but it had roached plastics and street tires on it. Also found an airtag on it under the seat, which is pretty scary. These people are good at what they're doing. They grinded my frame vin off and changed it with a laser etching machine. They're also making fake bike titles for the ones that are stolen. All i can say is beware selling on marketplace, and if you do change your name and take pictures of your bike in the most bland background. The detective i worked with confiscated their phone and said they have a huge group message with pictures of tons of marketplace listings that are targets or already have been stolen. Definitely more of an operation than i thought. Scumbags.
How’d you get your bike back if they changed the vin?
Too bad there wasn’t a good samaritan around with a folding ramp to conk them.
This is the reality of it. Anyone bold enough to do this knowing he lives there is bold enough to do something very violent.
Local hockey coach got murdered where I live for hollering at some guys stealing his neighbors catylitic converter. It’s easy to talk about how big and bad you’d be with your gun walking in on intruders but the reality of it is way more grim.
That is the time a big puppy dog would have come in handy. Those bikes will start showing up pretty soon.
How did they get his address?
The serial number from the motor. It’s on the title.
Geolocation. Doesn’t take much to get a fix
I always use an app to check my photos to make sure geolocation is scrubbed from my pictures.
Mine got deleted because I quoted a deleted post, apparently. I was correct though that this wasn't in CA.
#expert
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